PhilMc Posted August 20, 2013 Posted August 20, 2013 So this is why I just re-downloaded and Subcribed and brought along 3 of my friends who also all just subscribed - YOU FINALLY ARE PUTTING IN A REAL PVP UPDATE WITH NEW MAPS! - its basically that SIMPLE! also highly important for making you more $$ is Gear ...put more unique looking gear not just new colors of the exact same setsMany people i know would subscribe/buy **** if there was a new pvp map huttball/other game mode every patch or every other patch. So many players willing to subscribe for unlimited warzones if there are more maps, your 3 new small Arenas for 4v4 are a good start and should make it SIMPLE! to continue adding new 4v4 maps/ game modes for 4v4 ... again thank you for finally giving the PvPs something but THE IMPORTANT POINT - please don't just release this PvP update and then neglect it for 6 months it will result in the loss of mine and other newly aquired subscriptions with this new good will u are bringing for PvPs DON'T F#C% it up! Disclaimer - I preordered the Hutt Cartel Expansion and never even downloaded it because i left the game due to no new PvP maps or any content really at all
theSCARAYone Posted August 20, 2013 Posted August 20, 2013 Disclaimer - I preordered the Hutt Cartel Expansion and never even downloaded it because i left the game due to no new PvP maps or any content really at all Pretty sure they added a s***load of content with RotHC. If you only PvP, then honestly, this isn't the game for you. I'd recommend EVE, or Camelot Unchained when it comes out.
Aries_cz Posted August 20, 2013 Posted August 20, 2013 I think many people reported that ll the "new armors" on PTS are simply placeholders, not actual new sets. And as theSCARAYone said, if you play purely for PvP, this might not be the game for you. I like PvP, I like playing it, I like watching people play it, but it is still second to PvE in my eyes (and most likely in eyes of the most important people, devs). The game was built around story, and there is not much story to be told through PvP...Now, future seems brighter for PvP with 2.4, so it is possible we could see more stuff. We are promised at least 1 more Arena maps soon after 2.4 (Makeb arena, which got removed because of some major bugs).
IslanderRebel Posted August 20, 2013 Posted August 20, 2013 PvP is a joke in this game, move along. Like the smart individual says " this is not a pvp game" Sorry folks, real PVP is found on FPS es. ie.. the BF series, COD and MOHA. Sure, we throw grenades, flash bangs and the such, but there are no "force tricks" and no "OMG *** where the hell" did this person pop out of? bologna in FPS es. If you want to PVP, I suggest you go get one of those above forementioned FPS es and go play "REAL PVP". I love TOR but PVP is a JOKE. And like the person said" it''s our opinion and the only one that counts. If you haven't played any of the FPS es and seen "real pvp", I suggest you go do so and then be quiet and stop complaining about why you quit this game for the sake of "real pvp and whatever you wish they had". "A real TOR" fan would have never quit because "my pvp kitty" hurts. TOR is about PVE not pvp.
IslanderRebel Posted August 20, 2013 Posted August 20, 2013 (edited) Btw, one more game for you to consider " mr. I want pvp" EVE Online. "the real sandbox" go play with the goons and NC in 0 . 0 (zero zero) space and get your pretty butt handed to you on a shiny silver platter. EVE O will give you PVP. One more thing, when you die and get podded, try not to go too broke replacing everything in EVE unlike TOR. have a nice day brah. Edited August 20, 2013 by IslanderRebel
gorstram Posted August 20, 2013 Posted August 20, 2013 So this is why I just re-downloaded and Subcribed and brought along 3 of my friends who also all just subscribed - YOU FINALLY ARE PUTTING IN A REAL PVP UPDATE WITH NEW MAPS! - its basically that SIMPLE! also highly important for making you more $$ is Gear ...put more unique looking gear not just new colors of the exact same sets Many people i know would subscribe/buy **** if there was a new pvp map huttball/other game mode every patch or every other patch. So many players willing to subscribe for unlimited warzones if there are more maps, your 3 new small Arenas for 4v4 are a good start and should make it SIMPLE! to continue adding new 4v4 maps/ game modes for 4v4 ... again thank you for finally giving the PvPs something but THE IMPORTANT POINT - please don't just release this PvP update and then neglect it for 6 months it will result in the loss of mine and other newly aquired subscriptions with this new good will u are bringing for PvPs DON'T F#C% it up! Disclaimer - I preordered the Hutt Cartel Expansion and never even downloaded it because i left the game due to no new PvP maps or any content really at all This is good feedback for the devs. Perhaps next time you'll write it in a better tone so it is easier to absorb, rather than make the average reader roll their eyes incessantly at the sheer amount of entitlement being spewed. I agree that PvP needs some love every now and then, but PvP doesn't NEED frequent updates like PvE does because players in PvP create their own content. While the maps stay the same, the encounters within said shift dynamically from WZ to WZ. PvE needs frequent updating because that content doesn't change, it's static, and once a guild gets through a dungeon enough times for their toons to obtain all of the gear upgrades then they're left with nothing to do on an operations scale. Sure there are harder modes, but again, those modes are static, and once they're done... they're done. I sincerely hope you enjoy the upcoming patch, and that it keeps you busy for a while.
gorstram Posted August 20, 2013 Posted August 20, 2013 Btw, one more game for you to consider " mr. I want pvp" EVE Online. "the real sandbox" go play with the goons and NC in 0 . 0 (zero zero) space and get your pretty butt handed to you on a shiny silver platter. EVE O will give you PVP. One more thing, when you die and get podded, try not to go too broke replacing everything in EVE unlike TOR. have a nice day brah. Right on the money here. I played that game for about a month, but I left it because the thought of losing everything and having to start over made me anxious as hell. I don't want to have to take a Xanex to play a game. Or one day wake up like that guy did who lost two years worth of work because his guild screwed him over and destroyed his capital ship.
TUXs Posted August 20, 2013 Posted August 20, 2013 Btw, one more game for you to consider " mr. I want pvp" EVE Online. "the real sandbox" go play with the goons and NC in 0 . 0 (zero zero) space and get your pretty butt handed to you on a shiny silver platter. EVE O will give you PVP. One more thing, when you die and get podded, try not to go too broke replacing everything in EVE unlike TOR. have a nice day brah. He came back to THIS game...why the hell are you telling him about Eve? Go post on Eve's boards. The guy didn't say he wanted to play Eve, never even mentioned Eve, I'm sure he realizes that, if he did, it's an option for him, with or without your urging. Good post OP! Welcome back. I hope the Devs continue to develop PvP content. While you wait for 2.4, I suggest you check out section CZ-123 or whatever it is, the new daily area. Good PvP there as well!
islander Posted August 20, 2013 Posted August 20, 2013 So this is why I just re-downloaded and Subcribed and brought along 3 of my friends who also all just subscribed - YOU FINALLY ARE PUTTING IN A REAL PVP UPDATE WITH NEW MAPS! - its basically that SIMPLE! also highly important for making you more $$ is Gear ...put more unique looking gear not just new colors of the exact same sets Many people i know would subscribe/buy **** if there was a new pvp map huttball/other game mode every patch or every other patch. So many players willing to subscribe for unlimited warzones if there are more maps, your 3 new small Arenas for 4v4 are a good start and should make it SIMPLE! to continue adding new 4v4 maps/ game modes for 4v4 ... again thank you for finally giving the PvPs something but THE IMPORTANT POINT - please don't just release this PvP update and then neglect it for 6 months it will result in the loss of mine and other newly aquired subscriptions with this new good will u are bringing for PvPs DON'T F#C% it up! Disclaimer - I preordered the Hutt Cartel Expansion and never even downloaded it because i left the game due to no new PvP maps or any content really at all Funny, I'm actually on the verge of quitting, because this "PvP Update" involves taking away PvP, and putting in derp arenas. If I wanted these, I could just go back to WoW
Theeko Posted August 20, 2013 Posted August 20, 2013 Btw, one more game for you to consider " mr. I want pvp" EVE Online. "the real sandbox" go play with the goons and NC in 0 . 0 (zero zero) space and get your pretty butt handed to you on a shiny silver platter. EVE O will give you PVP. One more thing, when you die and get podded, try not to go too broke replacing everything in EVE unlike TOR. have a nice day brah. World of tanks is nothing but pvp
Nemmar Posted August 20, 2013 Posted August 20, 2013 Despite what some people are saying in this thread, the PvP in this game is better than what you have on WoW in terms of enjoyment. Comparing it to FPS's and the sort is just retarded.
Andryah Posted August 20, 2013 Posted August 20, 2013 (edited) He came back to THIS game...why the hell are you telling him about Eve? Go post on Eve's boards. The guy didn't say he wanted to play Eve, never even mentioned Eve, I'm sure he realizes that, if he did, it's an option for him, with or without your urging. I would imagine... because the rhetoric in the OP indicates that the PvP in this game will never live up to the demands of the OP. So it's actually fair and objective advice IMO. Seriously.... serious PvP is elsewhere.. not in this MMO. Anyone that insists othwise and demands otherwise is just kidding themselves....OR simply wants faux-PvP with a sprinkle of serious PvP on top...in which case, this thread is a demand for "sprinkles" disguised as a demand for real PvP in an MMO. If you want real PvP with real adventure and risks.. this will never be the MMO for you. And yeah... so far.. EVE remains the owner of real PvP... sandbox style, merciless, and with high consequences for failure. I still play it from time to time for this very reason. Whereas PvP in this MMO is a mini-game at best... which is why it is humorous every time someone opens up with a broadside at Bioware about the state of PvP in SWTOR. Play the game for what it offers. If it does not meet a requirement... there are MMOs that do. I don't play EVE for PvE and I don't play SWTOR for PvP. I might play TSW for both sometimes.. but even in TSW.. PvP is weak sauce compared to EVE. Edited August 20, 2013 by Andryah
ELRunninW Posted August 20, 2013 Posted August 20, 2013 And here I was hoping the morons who rage unsub will never comeback, I am so disappointed. Help me Devs!
Andryah Posted August 20, 2013 Posted August 20, 2013 (edited) Despite what some people are saying in this thread, the PvP in this game is better than what you have on WoW in terms of enjoyment. OK.. agreed... but that is not saying much of anything at all. You set the bar at floor height right there IMO. Edited August 20, 2013 by Andryah
MahneWarrior Posted August 20, 2013 Posted August 20, 2013 I would imagine... because the rhetoric in the OP indicates that the PvP in this game will never live up to the demands of the OP. So it's actually fair and objective advice IMO. Seriously.... serious PvP is elsewhere.. not in this MMO. Anyone that insists othwise and demands otherwise is just kidding themselves....OR simply wants faux-PvP with a sprinkle of serious PvP on top...in which case, this thread is a demand for "sprinkles" disguised as a demand for real PvP in an MMO. If you want real PvP with real adventure and risks.. this will never be the MMO for you. And yeah... so far.. EVE remains the owner of real PvP... sandbox style, merciless, and with high consequences for failure. I still play it from time to time for this very reason. Whereas PvP in this MMO is a mini-game at best... which is why it is humorous every time someone opens up with a broadside at Bioware about the state of PvP in SWTOR. Play the game for what it offers. If it does not meet a requirement... there are MMOs that do. I don't play EVE for PvE and I don't play SWTOR for PvP. I might play TSW for both sometimes.. but even in TSW.. PvP is weak sauce compared to EVE. I love EVE however, telling this era of player to try EVE for PvP is cruel. WoW has become the staple of what many expect from a MMO in terms of PvP and PvE. Love or hate the game, one thing is certain that the shadow of WoW will be with us for years to come. All I am saying for many real pvp is not losing everything if you die, it is climbing up a leader board, in easy to manage groups where the only objective is to kill the other team. Most MMO players the idea of losing everything because of failure is foreign to them, and I am fairly certain many will never understand the allure it has with many. With that being said, labeling EVE and DAoC true MMO pvp within the current market and belittling anyone that does not see it this way is silly. For old school and a select few of newer players it might be pleasing, but for the mass market of MMO pvpers, arena is what they consider to be real pvp. Times are charging like it or not, but that is what it is.
Elyxin Posted August 20, 2013 Posted August 20, 2013 I love EVE however, telling this era of player to try EVE for PvP is cruel. WoW has become the staple of what many expect from a MMO in terms of PvP and PvE. Love or hate the game, one thing is certain that the shadow of WoW will be with us for years to come. All I am saying for many real pvp is not losing everything if you die, it is climbing up a leader board, in easy to manage groups where the only objective is to kill the other team. Most MMO players the idea of losing everything because of failure is foreign to them, and I am fairly certain many will never understand the allure it has with many. With that being said, labeling EVE and DAoC true MMO pvp within the current market and belittling anyone that does not see it this way is silly. For old school and a select few of newer players it might be pleasing, but for the mass market of MMO pvpers, arena is what they consider to be real pvp. Times are charging like it or not, but that is what it is. It's interesting that WoW is brought up in this thread, as a while ago Ghostcrawler had posted a blog wherein he said that he and the other devs admitted that after years of hard work, they came to the realization that arena broke the game, and they could never balance PvP and PvE in the game together without one impacting the other. Moral of the story is....PvP and PvE cannot exist in the same game without one being sidelined, or at best, being the followup to the one with the most focus. in this game. the primary is PvE. Im not going to disregard the idea that many like it....many do. but it is by design that it takes second pony to PvE. and I don't consider that a bad thing, as there are games out there that do the polar opposite (GW2 and Eve.). Not suggesting that you go play those games. just reiterating the important point that this is a PvE game first and foremost, and the OP needs to realize that the bulk of the players and Bio are not going to jump all over each other in an effort to please him just because he plays....PVP........roll out the red carpets folks, a REAL PVP player is back in the game! Of course, we probably had thousands of PvE players return with the recent changes (like myself)...but we couldn't be as important as him and his 3 FRIENDS (sarcasm off).
Greenify Posted August 20, 2013 Posted August 20, 2013 If we're honest, they probably didn't know you left, nor do they know you're back.
chuixupu Posted August 20, 2013 Posted August 20, 2013 It's interesting that WoW is brought up in this thread, as a while ago Ghostcrawler had posted a blog wherein he said that he and the other devs admitted that after years of hard work, they came to the realization that arena broke the game, and they could never balance PvP and PvE in the game together without one impacting the other. It's true, however, you know they'd never remove arena, because it's very popular and a lot of players love it. As much of a hassle it is to balance, I don't think they actually regret creating arenas. They can balance the game more than they are, though, they just need to make some abilities have different effects in PVP than they do in PVE (they do that to a small degree with CC's). But they have said they don't want to do that because that would mean players would play their character differently in one from the other.
MahneWarrior Posted August 20, 2013 Posted August 20, 2013 It's interesting that WoW is brought up in this thread, as a while ago Ghostcrawler had posted a blog wherein he said that he and the other devs admitted that after years of hard work, they came to the realization that arena broke the game, and they could never balance PvP and PvE in the game together without one impacting the other. Moral of the story is....PvP and PvE cannot exist in the same game without one being sidelined, or at best, being the followup to the one with the most focus. in this game. the primary is PvE. Im not going to disregard the idea that many like it....many do. but it is by design that it takes second pony to PvE. and I don't consider that a bad thing, as there are games out there that do the polar opposite (GW2 and Eve.). Not suggesting that you go play those games. just reiterating the important point that this is a PvE game first and foremost, and the OP needs to realize that the bulk of the players and Bio are not going to jump all over each other in an effort to please him just because he plays....PVP........roll out the red carpets folks, a REAL PVP player is back in the game! Of course, we probably had thousands of PvE players return with the recent changes (like myself)...but we couldn't be as important as him and his 3 FRIENDS (sarcasm off). Mistake or not, hardly anyone cares about what they feel after the fact. Also, if I recall they never outright said it broke the game, just made balancing the game in terms of both extremely difficult, and that they wish they implemented arena's in a different way. All-in-all balance is nearly impossible to achieve in terms of MMO PvP, just the nature of the beast. Though in the end that is not what I was trying to get at, just that telling people to play EVE because it is hardcore pvp is silly, since for many arena is considered hardcore pvp now. Just times are charging. Also, we all have to live with the fact mistake or not that the choices made by wow will be with us for a long time. That game has changed the face of the MMO genre, the features they have for many are part of the norm.
ImpactHound Posted August 20, 2013 Posted August 20, 2013 Despite what some people are saying in this thread, the PvP in this game is better than what you have on WoW in terms of enjoyment. Comparing it to FPS's and the sort is just retarded. I disagree.
Hessen Posted August 20, 2013 Posted August 20, 2013 PvP in this game is a joke, you should sign up to your country's military, that's where proper PvP is. etc. etc.
TUXs Posted August 20, 2013 Posted August 20, 2013 PvP in this game is a joke, you should sign up to your country's military, that's where proper PvP is. etc. etc. PvP in this game is for enjoyment. Joining the military is entirely different...but I assume you know that...right???
TUXs Posted August 20, 2013 Posted August 20, 2013 My tongue was firmly in my cheek. Sorry >.< I'm in a grumpy mood with all these worthless changes that are being made with the hope that the players are morons.
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