VitalityPrime Posted August 19, 2013 Posted August 19, 2013 (edited) I'm running a Soresu Form, Focus Tree Guardian. However, with my 3 left over points...I'm wondering what is best between... +10% Master Strike damage 2 Additional Focus from Sundering Strike Edited August 19, 2013 by VitalityPrime
Dragonexadon Posted August 19, 2013 Posted August 19, 2013 (edited) I'm running a Soresu Form, Focus Tree Guardian. However, with my 3 left over points...I'm wondering what is best between... +10% Master Strike damage 2 Additional Focus from Sundering Strike 3s cooldown reduction for Sundering Strike Can you post your current spec? The +10% master strike is a must IMHO Edited August 19, 2013 by Dragonexadon
VitalityPrime Posted August 19, 2013 Author Posted August 19, 2013 (edited) Can you post your current spec? The +10% master strike is a must IMHO http://www.swtor-spy.com/skill-tree-calculator/guardian/17/?build=003000000000000000000000000000000300000000000000000000000000000003202221010202301121032003200100&ver=20 The problem is...I really want the +15% armor rating in the defense tree to add to my survivability...so I would definietly need 2 points in either master strike or victory rush. Edited August 19, 2013 by VitalityPrime
OlosBC Posted August 19, 2013 Posted August 19, 2013 I'm pretty sure the accuracy and str talents in vigi tree are better that 10% MS for focus. Extra focus on sundering strike is ABSOLUTELY not needed. If you ever run out of focus in focus spec, you screwed up pretty bad. Also, why soresu form?
VitalityPrime Posted August 19, 2013 Author Posted August 19, 2013 I'm pretty sure the accuracy and str talents in vigi tree are better that 10% MS for focus. Extra focus on sundering strike is ABSOLUTELY not needed. If you ever run out of focus in focus spec, you screwed up pretty bad. Also, why soresu form? I use Soresu form for more of a hybrid between survivability and damage output. I can't, or won't, go without it...but I definitely want the Focus tree skills.
Gondolindhrim Posted August 19, 2013 Posted August 19, 2013 (edited) Judging by the three skills OP is trying to decide between (and running in Soresu), my guess is that his spec looks like this. That said, why on earth would you run Focus in Soresu? You give up an incredible amount of damage for a pretty measly increase in survivability. I would really reconsider your choice of Form. Edited August 19, 2013 by Gondolindhrim
Dragonexadon Posted August 19, 2013 Posted August 19, 2013 Judging by the three skills OP is trying to decide between (and running in Soresu), my guess is that his spec looks like this. That said, why on earth would you run Focus in Soresu? You give up an incredible amount of damage for a pretty measly increase in survivability. I would really reconsider your choice of Form. Agreed, that said I normally like to role with a shield and mod it with DPS mods. Thus, when need be, you can switch to soresu and have decent damage mitigation when need be. For instance in a hut ball when someone throws you the ball.
VitalityPrime Posted August 19, 2013 Author Posted August 19, 2013 Judging by the three skills OP is trying to decide between (and running in Soresu), my guess is that his spec looks like this. That said, why on earth would you run Focus in Soresu? You give up an incredible amount of damage for a pretty measly increase in survivability. I would really reconsider your choice of Form. The Soresu form is a must. I realize that the Focus tree has many Shii-Cho focused skills...but I just can't go without Soresu. In my opinion, and in practice...it's a significant survivability boost. However, with that said...I'm wondering if I should give up on trying to get the +15% armor rating from Defense...and go your route with the +str in the vigil tree.
Dragonexadon Posted August 19, 2013 Posted August 19, 2013 http://www.swtor-spy.com/skill-tree-calculator/guardian/?build=020000000000000000000000000000000302102000000000000000000000000003220221010202301121032003200100&ver=20 This is the build I prefer. I don't feel second wind is worth specing into. The increase strength in Vigilance is a must IMHO. And, as stated above, I would not run Smash in soresu unless you are carrying a ball, defending an objective, ect.
Dragonexadon Posted August 19, 2013 Posted August 19, 2013 In my opinion, and in practice...it's a significant survivability boost. . How much damage are you normally outputing in warzones? Without a shield soresu really does not do much. Do you carry a focus generator or a shield?
VitalityPrime Posted August 19, 2013 Author Posted August 19, 2013 How much damage are you normally outputing in warzones? Without a shield soresu really does not do much. Do you carry a focus generator or a shield? I don't PvP. I use a shield.
Dragonexadon Posted August 19, 2013 Posted August 19, 2013 (edited) I don't PvP. I use a shield. Then is this for raiding? flashpoints? or doing things like dailies. For Raiding , if you are DPS, you are gimping yourself majorly by going soresu. The damage output you bring will be lacking compared to others. Same with flashpoints but the damage requirement for flash-points are far lower...so you could get by. If this is for solo questing then you are fine with soresu and DPS spec. Consider downloading TORparse and check your numbers on the dummy. 5 mins with each form. You will see how big of a DPS loss you are getting with soresu. As well as, considering you are not PVPing I would NOT use a shield. Unless you are soloing. This gimps your power a bit by using one. Edited August 19, 2013 by Dragonexadon
VitalityPrime Posted August 19, 2013 Author Posted August 19, 2013 (edited) Then is this for raiding? flashpoints? or doing things like dailies. For Raiding , if you are DPS, you are gimping yourself majorly by going soresu. The damage output you bring will be lacking compared to others. Same with flashpoints but the damage requirement for flash-points are far lower...so you could get by. If this is for solo questing then you are fine with soresu and DPS spec. Consider downloading TORparse and check your numbers on the dummy. 5 mins with each form. You will see how big of a DPS loss you are getting with soresu. As well as, considering you are not PVPing I would NOT use a shield. Unless you are soloing. This gimps your power a bit by using one. Yeah, I'm just solo questing. My build is very theme and concept oriented. Using Soresu and being Focus tree spec'd is definitely what I want to do...and my choices are cemented there. I'm just trying to see what's the best thing to do with my other points...with my build in mind. Edited August 19, 2013 by VitalityPrime
OlosBC Posted August 19, 2013 Posted August 19, 2013 Agreed, that said I normally like to role with a shield and mod it with DPS mods. Thus, when need be, you can switch to soresu and the decent damage mitigation when need be. For instance in a hut ball when someone throws you the ball. Shield with no shield mods or tank talents is like 5% reduction to damage taken. Not really even noticeable. And that's only in tank stance. In DPS stance its like 1%. I used to tank FPs in focus soresu before 2.0, but that wouldn't really be viable now, since they removed singularity stacks from combat focus unless in shii-cho. I'd be willing to bet that focus soresu these days would be completely unviable in FPs and Ops. You can pretty well run whatever for dailies, but full focus with shii-cho would be far better even for that.
Dragonexadon Posted August 19, 2013 Posted August 19, 2013 I'm just trying to see what's the best thing to do with my other points...with my build in mind. No worries man, just trying to help .
OlosBC Posted August 19, 2013 Posted August 19, 2013 Yeah, I'm just solo questing. My build is very theme and concept oriented. Using Soresu and being Focus tree spec'd is definitely what I want to do...and my choices are cemented there. I'm just trying to see what's the best thing to do with my other points...with my build in mind. You can pretty well run whatever for solo questing. Pick whatever you like and have a blast. Any of the choices would be a very minor % difference, which wouldn't be noticeable for soloing.
Dragonexadon Posted August 19, 2013 Posted August 19, 2013 Shield with no shield mods or tank talents is like 5% reduction to damage taken. Not really even noticeable. And that's only in tank stance. In DPS stance its like 1%.I believe it is worth it when playing objective based games.
OlosBC Posted August 19, 2013 Posted August 19, 2013 I believe it is worth it when playing objective based games. I'm no PvP expert, so I'll leave that up to others. It's at least a close tradeoff when you're in soresu. While in shii-cho it's effectively wasted. If I wanted to do that, I'd keep a spare in my pack, and switch to the shield when planning to do some guarding.
VitalityPrime Posted August 19, 2013 Author Posted August 19, 2013 You can pretty well run whatever for solo questing. Pick whatever you like and have a blast. Any of the choices would be a very minor % difference, which wouldn't be noticeable for soloing. Yeah, I figured that anything would really be viable for solo play...but even though I don't pick the best builds because of concept...I still like to min/max within said concept.
VitalityPrime Posted August 19, 2013 Author Posted August 19, 2013 (edited) Alright, here is an easier question... Would I get more out of 1 point in Victory Rush or 1 point in Improved Sundering Strike? EDIT: Also, if you could only choose one...would you increase Strength by 6% or increase the damage of Master Strike by 10%? Edited August 19, 2013 by VitalityPrime
Dragonexadon Posted August 19, 2013 Posted August 19, 2013 Alright, here is an easier question... Would I get more out of 1 point in Victory Rush or 1 point in Improved Sundering Strike? EDIT: Also, if you could only choose one...would you increase Strength by 6% or increase the damage of Master Strike by 10%? You would get more out of improved sundering strike, if I could only pick one I would go with strength
OlosBC Posted August 19, 2013 Posted August 19, 2013 Actually, for solo questing you could probably drop the accuracy talent and pick up master strike increase. I think it's only boss and champion mobs that you need 10% accuracy for. For FPs and Ops, pretty sure the best spec is 0/10/36
Dragonexadon Posted August 19, 2013 Posted August 19, 2013 Actually, for solo questing you could probably drop the accuracy talent and pick up master strike increase. I think it's only boss and champion mobs that you need 10% accuracy for. Agreed, and this is why before I was telling him to go masterstrike. I thought he was sharing a PVP spec since most people who go Focus are doing it for PVP.
Gondolindhrim Posted August 19, 2013 Posted August 19, 2013 Yeah, I'm just solo questing. Right, that changes everything. I still wouldn't recommend it, but suboptimal specs hurt nobody but yourself, so you can do whatever you want. If you really want to run Focus in Soresu, I guess I'd go with this spec.
VitalityPrime Posted August 20, 2013 Author Posted August 20, 2013 (edited) Right, that changes everything. I still wouldn't recommend it, but suboptimal specs hurt nobody but yourself, so you can do whatever you want. If you really want to run Focus in Soresu, I guess I'd go with this spec. I guess I'm the only one who doesn't really see it as gimping myself. Sure, there are 2 skill points that are completely worthless when you run Focus in Soresu form...but I just love the idea of a hybrid between survivability/damage. It would be nice if the skill trees didn't try to pigeon hole you into certain forms. At the very least...all skills should at least do something no matter what form you use. Edited August 20, 2013 by VitalityPrime
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