Xoshzius Posted August 19, 2013 Posted August 19, 2013 SWTOR used to be a GREAT game and I loved playing it. Some of it was pretty good ideas and it sort of fell apart. On occasion I will play but I do not intend to be a subscriber for long anymore as it is not worth it. What I liked most about the game was the customization of the characters. The problem is outfits are a part of this and so is grinding. I understand that there is always a struggle with this, and with reason I do not mind it. What I do NOT like is when things are ridiculously over priced, complicated to get, random to get, or limited time to get. 1: Crates. There are a lot of outfits that are great, but there is no way to get them without crates. Which is sort of dumb because unless you are lucky you have to go through a lot. I rather pay extra to get it directly than to pay for crates and hope I get lucky. Even if I get lucky the FIRST time I preffer to pay extra than to go through that. 2: Collection system. At first thought I thought this was going to be the greatest thing they made since the legacy system (Which was not too bad through and through, just wish there were more unlockables and less buyables) Instead this made me feel absolutely terrible. -I recall I got 2 sets of outfits: The outlaw's and the spy master set. Unfortunately no one mentioned you need an entire set to get them from the collection system. There was no warning, so I cannot get them again without selling my first born child to Rumplestiltskin to the GTN since things are so expensive there. -There are some sets like the Revan set that I DID have except for the phenomenally overpriced mask. And now I can NEVER get it again because that thing was so blodoy expensive and hard to get. -I would like to add on that some items that you MAY have you can NEVER get again if the store stops selling them. This is also another dumb idea. 3: Discontinued items. Why do they have to discountinue old items? Can't we just pay extra to get them or something? OH wait, we do but at really overpriced prices on the GTN until they almost vanish entirely because there is no more supply of them and they bind on equip. These are the 3 main things that I are really bugging me. Granted there are a lot more things, these are the most influencial to me as I am a rper and love the outfits and so on. I feel terrible when I cannot get certain things in the game. Now I know some people think it isn't that important... If it is not that important, why do they need to make it so bloody hard to get?
Hero Posted August 19, 2013 Posted August 19, 2013 Really?... You dont want to play the game anymore because you cant buy rare cosmetic outfits cheaper than they are? So you only play the game to play dress up?
Callaron Posted August 19, 2013 Posted August 19, 2013 A lot of things tend to return from time to time to the store, for example: during the Gree event the Solus Secant mount returned during the weekends, and I think the Golden Scalene set was there as well. I believe the packs will be returning at some point too. Btw, you can get Revan's mask from the CRC rep vendor as well - though you would obviously need the tokens and reputation to be able to buy it.
evodude Posted August 19, 2013 Posted August 19, 2013 I came in to the thread expecting some real bad reasons Glad i wasnt disappointed
TheNahash Posted August 19, 2013 Posted August 19, 2013 1: Crates. There are a lot of outfits that are great, but there is no way to get them without crates. Which is sort of dumb because unless you are lucky you have to go through a lot. I rather pay extra to get it directly than to pay for crates and hope I get lucky. Even if I get lucky the FIRST time I preffer to pay extra than to go through that. Don't buy Packs. Get the outfits you want from the GTN. Problem solved. 2: Collection system. At first thought I thought this was going to be the greatest thing they made since the legacy system (Which was not too bad through and through, just wish there were more unlockables and less buyables) Instead this made me feel absolutely terrible. -I recall I got 2 sets of outfits: The outlaw's and the spy master set. Unfortunately no one mentioned you need an entire set to get them from the collection system. There was no warning, so I cannot get them again without selling my first born child to Rumplestiltskin to the GTN since things are so expensive there. -There are some sets like the Revan set that I DID have except for the phenomenally overpriced mask. And now I can NEVER get it again because that thing was so blodoy expensive and hard to get. -I would like to add on that some items that you MAY have you can NEVER get again if the store stops selling them. This is also another dumb idea. 1. No one mentioned it and you never bothered to look it up. Seems like more of your mistake, tbh. 2. You can still get Revan's Mask. You can get the money people ask for it or you can buy cartel packs and get your Contraband Resale Corp Rep to Legend. By the time you reach Legend status you'll have enough certificates to buy not one, but multiple Masks. I understand that this is not as easy as buying something from the GTN but it is what it is. However, you still CAN get it. 3. It's not a dumb idea. From a business point of view, it's very clever actually. This way if someone want to buy something from the CM, they are more likely to buy it just because there is the possibility that that item might be removed. I understand people want everything all the time, but it's not how it works 3: Discontinued items. Why do they have to discountinue old items? Can't we just pay extra to get them or something? OH wait, we do but at really overpriced prices on the GTN until they almost vanish entirely because there is no more supply of them and they bind on equip. Again, buy the items you want when they are available. Don't wait 5 months to buy that piece of gear you like. If you're talking about items from the CM, there is always the possibility that they might remove it. If you're talking about gear like Rakata, Columi etc., I don't know why they removed them from the game and didn't give the schematics for the shells to Synthweavers and Armormechs (they could use the extra income) BUT it is a way for people who have been playing the game longer than you have to have something that is no longer obtainable and is therefore unique. And even though I'd like to have those schematics, I don't think it's that much of an issue. We all have our issues with the game and I understand that for some people those issues are lack of content and for others it's bugs or whatever. But what you're essentially complaining about is...clothes. We all play the game for different reasons but I can't say I agree when people complain about such trivial things, when there's an abundance of alternative outfits to choose from.
Blackardin Posted August 19, 2013 Posted August 19, 2013 OP, this is really your own fault for waiting so long. Is it the store's fault that you failed to buy an item before they discontinued it? I can understand if you quit, but not if you blame. Also, there is new gear coming out soon, take a look at that and see if you like any of it.
AlrikFassbauer Posted August 19, 2013 Posted August 19, 2013 (edited) I agree on with the Collections system getting out of control - prices have exploded and it is extremely hard to get a few items for getting a complete set together because they are totally overpriced. Especially the prices for Shipment 1 things have become ... beyond of good and evil. I personally believe that the requirement for full sets kind of killed it. And because if the "sets requirement", the Collection has turned into an additional "make people buy it" tool. My worst fear, hoiwever, is, that these overpriced items on the market could be exploited by gold sellers : "U wanna buy these overpriced yet cool items ? Buy gold from us !" This is the worst thing. And, besides, what I never quite understood is - why is the "Collections" system not open for non - Cartel Markt items ? That's a thing I never understood. For example the stuff from the Social Vendors. Or the sets known from Torfashion. So, there imho should be a second "Collections" system as well : One for non - Cartel Market items. Edited August 19, 2013 by AlrikFassbauer
ImpactHound Posted August 19, 2013 Posted August 19, 2013 -I would like to add on that some items that you MAY have you can NEVER get again if the store stops selling them. This is also another dumb idea. Nike does this with shoes. They make a big deal about a certain make or model coming out of retirement for a limited time, so people buy 3 or 4 extra pairs because they know they may never get them again. Runner's nightmare.
hadoken Posted August 19, 2013 Posted August 19, 2013 (edited) 1: Crates. There are a lot of outfits that are great, but there is no way to get them without crates. You can find quite a bit on the GTN and sometimes at very surprising prices. Completely incorrect. As to there rest, there's no guarantee stuff won't show up again on the discontinued item vendor (i.e. Thana Vesh's set coming soon) for those certificate things you can get from opening packs (which are what, 300k or less per pack?). If this is causing you to quit, you have a pretty low threshold for troubling things. Edited August 19, 2013 by hadoken
Insidion Posted August 19, 2013 Posted August 19, 2013 This is Star Wars: The Old Republic, not Digital Barbie Space Edition.
CosmicKat Posted August 19, 2013 Posted August 19, 2013 This is Star Wars: The Old Republic, not Digital Barbie Space Edition. "Playing dress up" has been part of MMO's since graphics technology allowed options, and part of RPG's since forever.
Mercyflush Posted August 19, 2013 Posted August 19, 2013 I would respect a more realistic answer like mine other than cartoon dress up. After playing in beta for a year and all through open I just got bored and haven't played in over a month. It's just time to take a break.
Fixiooo Posted August 19, 2013 Posted August 19, 2013 I agree on with the Collections system getting out of control - prices have exploded and it is extremely hard to get a few items for getting a complete set together because they are totally overpriced. Phantom Belt only for 900k credits on the GTN. Reasonable right?
Kilora Posted August 19, 2013 Posted August 19, 2013 Wow, now I don't feel so bad. I barely play now because of FFXIV. CM and vanity stuff doesn't bug me.
TheNahash Posted August 19, 2013 Posted August 19, 2013 (edited) Phantom Belt only for 900k credits on the GTN. Reasonable right? Actually, it's perfectly reasonable. It's an item that ...is no longer obtainable ...was (somewhat) rare to begin with ...can be used to complete a set which would allow you to unlock it on all your characters So yeah, if you REALLY want to complete your set or just really want that belt, then the price is perfectly reasonable and you can easily make 900k in 1-2 days by playing the market, crafting, doing dailies or any combination of those. The unreasonable prices are hoverchairs and thrones going for 30-40mil, Revan's Masks going for 10-20 mil and not because the prices are high (which they are), but because there are alternative ways of getting those items without spending as much. If an item is extremely rare (like the Czerka Crate-o-Matic ) or no longer obtainable, the only "unreasonable" price is the one you are not willing to pay. Or, in other words, it's a highly subjective matter and it depends on the individual buyer. Edited August 19, 2013 by TheNahash
Alpha-Llama Posted August 19, 2013 Posted August 19, 2013 This is Star Wars: The Old Republic, not Digital Barbie Space Edition. when some of our guild members have fashion shows on the fleet sometimes id beg to differ. This game has a lot better customisation these days tho which is great. To the OP look on the gtn and you eventually will find
Andryah Posted August 19, 2013 Posted August 19, 2013 Phantom Belt only for 900k credits on the GTN. Reasonable right? I sold several in that price range. Fair market price is fair market price.... and driven by the "poor prior planners": Bought them all for under 50K off the GTN too... and held them for the later. As for Collections... it drove prices up on almost everything right after it entered the game.. but over time.. as the players collections saturate.. only the rare and coveted items carry ridiculous market prices. Enterprising or forward thinking players know that just like in real life... buy items while they are still on the shelves.. and later they will be collectables. Not everything is.. but if you have any sense of fashion in this game at all.. you know tomorrows cash cow being sold at todays hamster prices.
Andryah Posted August 19, 2013 Posted August 19, 2013 problem is outfits are a part of this and so is grinding. I understand that there is always a struggle with this, and with reason I do not mind it. The CM has made a wide range of desirable adaptive armor and weapons available to the masses. Your personal struggle here is self-inflicted and unnecessary, as pointed out by prior posters. If fashion is important to you.. then play better and smarter. It's all within reach.. one way or the other, unlike other MMOs that put desireable cosmetics behind difficult and rare drop group encounters.
Hessen Posted August 19, 2013 Posted August 19, 2013 I want to buy a Logitech MX518 Mouse from Logitech. They no longer sell the mouse. Therefore I'm never going to shop with Logitech again.
branmakmuffin Posted August 19, 2013 Posted August 19, 2013 "Playing dress up" has been part of MMO's since graphics technology allowed options, and part of RPG's since forever. Yes. Someone questioning OP's blaming BWEA for his own shortcomings is one thing, but telling him he's playing the game wrong just because he likes to "play dress-up" with his characters is quite lame.
Arlon_Nabarlly Posted August 19, 2013 Posted August 19, 2013 Threads like these are why the forums are awful. 1. If you don't like the packs you can buy most of the stuff from the packs pretty reasonably off the GTN except for some of the rarest/most sought out items. I see your point and it would be nice to be able to just buy them, but they are cosmetic, I really don't see how that would ruin a great game for you... 2. Collections system is great. One of the best systems they've ever put in game IMO. I was a little disappointed that you needed full sets, but I've adapted and moved on. Besides that doesn't apply to: color crystals, speeders, pets, toys, etc., etc. I suspect the reason for making it sets is simply space with ridiculous amount of items if they had them all. Currently armor in Collections is 11 pages, image if it was 11 pages x 5? You really want 55 pages with the majority of it being belts/bracers/boots and other items you can hardly see a difference in? 3. The take items off and bring them back for 2 reasons: 1. (the main reason I would think) To affect supply and demand and make people more likely to buy it when it is on. 2. They probably have a limited amount of things they can keep concurrently in the market due to technical/practical limitations. Can you imagine the market in 2 years if they keep rolling stuff out at the current pace and never retire anything. The fleet would just be full of junk and players wouldn't be able to move. I'm sorry if these things really affect you, but TBH I think you're just trolling cause these are some of the most ridiculous complaints for the game being bad I've seen.
Blackardin Posted August 19, 2013 Posted August 19, 2013 Phantom Belt only for 900k credits on the GTN. Reasonable right? Today. Tomorrow you could find one up there for 45k. I started collecting a few sets after the announcement that they would be discontinued. As an example, the Forward Recon helm was up to 800k for a few weeks. However, one day I checked and found one for under 200k and bought it up, same with the Despot set. I got the whole set for under 800k. Ya have to keep an eye on it.
branmakmuffin Posted August 19, 2013 Posted August 19, 2013 Phantom Belt only for 900k credits on the GTN. Reasonable right? Very reasonable, if someone is willing to pay the seller 900k for it.
Blackardin Posted August 19, 2013 Posted August 19, 2013 "Playing dress up" has been part of MMO's since graphics technology allowed options, and part of RPG's since forever. 18 alts, all with their own style, armor, colors. Its part of the game. Remember the outcry with columi gear and how ugly much of it was? I can't blame the OP for that at all. Not planning, procrastinating, yes, but that part? No. BTW OP, ats your reason to keep playing. Play the GTN, do dailies, raid, get credits, craft and sell, buy the stuff you want, right?
Blackardin Posted August 19, 2013 Posted August 19, 2013 It's all within reach.. one way or the other, unlike other MMOs that put desireable cosmetics behind difficult and rare drop group encounters. Or camping! This is a very good point. Comparatively, this armor is much easier to attain then previous systems.
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