TriggerBlade Posted August 17, 2013 Posted August 17, 2013 (edited) I am just pointing out something that is a bit unfair. Example #1. Body Types. When it comes to creating your base character. A male's choices are to the extreme. While female characters get more realistic body types. When it comes to Body Type 1. A female character is just petite. A modest bust, below average height and thinner limbs. Though for the male Type 1. He's disproportionate. He's lanky and weak looking and his head is a little too big. It's rather jarring, since normal looking petite men are a thing. Though sadly instead of shorter and athletic. We get puny and lanky. For body type 3. Women get the appearance of an exotic Amazonian. While men get to look like cavemen like giants with a more outrageous bicep shape than Chris Redfield from Resident Evil 5. I would enjoy my character looking like he's well built as in trained. Not well built as in factory made. For Body Type 4. Again the women in this case seem to have the better hand of cards. This body type makes women curvy, making them well rounded, with a pants filling rear and a generous breast size. While men have to look like they weigh 300 pounds. Granted it's more of them to love and they do look a bit jolly, but the horrible things said about Darth Baras is hard to listen to. If I was going for a chubby guy in customization I'd imagine just lack of muscle definition and a slightly protruding belly. Though nope. Just nice and round. Not curvy. Just a circle. Example # 2 Armor Something that Bioware has done is reduce the amount of revealing clothing for women to an extreme. Almost all armor and clothing just changes size when applied to either gender. Some armor actually making it hard to tell if the person wearing the gear is male or female. Though one important thing to note is that we do have the classic metal bikini... Though why isn't there a male version of this? Huh? Why do women get the skimpy gear and male characters can't? I know some of you would like to point out the "Relaxed" set which does show off a man's chest. My reply to that is that it's a cartel item and unlike the metal bikini, it doesn't require additional charges from a randomized pack that will be gone one day. With this I feel like Bioware has something against the male body and expressing it. Example # 3 Flirtations. In SWTOR, it seems that male characters can flirt with basically anything with a heart beat. Even when turned down the character is flattered and thanks them. In some cases you do not even need to flirt with the character. They will start the flirting themselves. Though with women in this case, the flirtations are far too in between and any major moments of note are class related or companions. So Bioware seems to think men have a one track mind and that women should bow at the feet of the oddly proportioned men of SWTOR. So that's just a few cases of Bioware's misandry and obvious biased against male characters and possibly players. -------- Though yeah if you could tell(which I hope the title was enough) I'm just having fun. I'm a guy and I don't really think Bioware is prejudiced against men. It's just a silly post. If I caused even the smallest of a chuckle or sense of amusement then my goal has been complete. Edited August 17, 2013 by TriggerBlade Update
Darth_Moonshadow Posted August 17, 2013 Posted August 17, 2013 Oh yeah? Well you are a festizio. See? We can make up words too.
af_raptura Posted August 17, 2013 Posted August 17, 2013 Good for a laugh, which was your intention. Example # 3 Flirtations. In SWTOR, it seems that male characters can flirt with basically anything with a heart beat. Even when turned down the character is flattered and thanks them. In some cases you do not even need to flirt with the character. They will start the flirting themselves. Though with women in this case, the flirtations are far too in between and any major moments of note are class related or companions. So Bioware seems to think men have a one track mind and that women should bow at the feet of the oddly proportioned men of SWTOR. I seem to recall a bunch of threads where the ladies were asking for way more conversational flirts, so, it is nice to see that some of them are as bad as we are.
spectreclees Posted August 17, 2013 Posted August 17, 2013 (edited) I would have prefered sliders for muscular body types, a weight slider and a height slider. Having to choose a body type shows laziness. Edited August 17, 2013 by spectreclees
fabiyun Posted August 17, 2013 Posted August 17, 2013 (edited) Mostly the OP misses an opportunity to make some valid comments on how terribly gendered and normative this game is. For an industry that's supposedly "run" by the nerds, they don't represent them at all. You want to be a hero? Nice. Well you can't be anybody who represents your real body type, but here: pick one of these generic movie and magazine body types that we know you want to be! Because you know, heroes can only be men, and they have great bodies and hair, and no glasses. Seriously, if one industry should have done away with these peculiar normes and misrepresantations, it'd have been the gaming industry. Edited August 17, 2013 by fabiyun
Drudenfusz Posted August 17, 2013 Posted August 17, 2013 Misandry is a widely spread issue that normaly gets not much attention. Still, I think it could be far worse, and SWTOR has sexist issues regarding both genders.
Callaron Posted August 17, 2013 Posted August 17, 2013 For an industry that's supposedly "run" by the nerds, they don't represent them at all. You want to be a hero? Nice. Well you can't be anybody who represents your real body type, but here: pick one of these generic movie and magazine body types that we know you want to be! Because you know, heroes can only be men, and they have great bodies and hair, and no glasses. Err... great bodies and hair...? Clearly you didn't read the OP's post, either that or you actually consider body types 1 & 4 to be "great" bodies - in which case all the more power to you. I also find a lot of the hair styles to be rather hideous.
Yasac Posted August 17, 2013 Posted August 17, 2013 Still miles ahead of any game from Japan. People can point out flaws and points that are unfair in any game they want but relatively speaking Bioware is fairly progressive. The only game I can think have that has real full fairness is Skyrim. But...a few games before that they had the dark skin toned race the redguards start with less intelligence then the rest of the races. It's a process but unlike most things in the world games are getting better, it's often the gamers that need to update themselves more than the games imo.
Kitru Posted August 17, 2013 Posted August 17, 2013 I would have prefered sliders for muscular body types, a weight slider and a height slider. Having to choose a body type shows laziness. It's less "laziness" and more "recognition that more customization than they have already provided would cause massive amounts of lag in rendering new models in the client". Fewer options is less about simplifying things for the devs (it still creates issues though because, with those sliders, animations and gear and get kind of screwy) than it is about simplifying client rendering. When you have 8 total predetermined body types, there's less information to send and, consequently, less complexity in loading all of the various models around you. You'd be surprised how many options that players assume are due to laziness are actually based upon a recognition of player side issues, like load speed.
Tatile Posted August 17, 2013 Posted August 17, 2013 It's less "laziness" and more "recognition that more customization than they have already provided would cause massive amounts of lag in rendering new models in the client". Fewer options is less about simplifying things for the devs (it still creates issues though because, with those sliders, animations and gear and get kind of screwy) than it is about simplifying client rendering. When you have 8 total predetermined body types, there's less information to send and, consequently, less complexity in loading all of the various models around you. You'd be surprised how many options that players assume are due to laziness are actually based upon a recognition of player side issues, like load speed. (Emphasis mine.) Doesn't this just boil down to the mediocre nature of the client in the current MMO market? I freely admit that I don't know how games with sliders handle the subsequent armour problems (presumably less 'busy' armour?), but surely Bioware could have looked at perhaps more body options, both male and female? Although, given how many things seem to go wrong when put in the general vicinity of Male Body Type 3, they were probably unable to handle the full amount of testing and design required for more than eight bodies.
Lunafox Posted August 17, 2013 Posted August 17, 2013 You know, I do agree about the flirts part. Women get a lot less chances to flirt, and of course it depends on class. I know my poor female SW didn't get to flirt much at all, except with companions. My lady agents got to flirt a few times, which was fun, but one of those led down a road that made me feel dirty. You know the one I mean. Male characters never got that feeling. My male operative had a blast flirting and cut to black all over the galaxy. He's a complete male ho lol. I think the ladies in all classes should get to flirt more. There could have been plenty of opportunities to do so too.
Caelrie Posted August 17, 2013 Posted August 17, 2013 Why'd you skip body 2? Is it because it would completely invalidate your post?
TriggerBlade Posted August 17, 2013 Author Posted August 17, 2013 Why'd you skip body 2? Is it because it would completely invalidate your post? Because body type 2 is default and my post is nowhere near being valid... It's here for a cheap laugh. I hope you are trolling...
TechbotAlpha Posted August 17, 2013 Posted August 17, 2013 Still miles ahead of any game from Japan. People can point out flaws and points that are unfair in any game they want but relatively speaking Bioware is fairly progressive. The only game I can think have that has real full fairness is Skyrim. Seven year old MMO City of Heroes was the best to date; height slider, sliders for mass in various areas. Ok, it was locked at a default 'Hero/Villain muscle' texture, but it was a seven year old game and updating it was, and I quote "like playing Jenga on fire." I loved having a character creator that let you, 90% of the time, make your ideal character from level 1, without relying on loot/equipment for your ideal look. And then NCSoft (Koreans, so still Eastern...) killed it off and dissolved Paragon Studios with barely a months notice. The MMO market has been a slightly less bright place ever since...
sofakingzoe Posted August 17, 2013 Posted August 17, 2013 (edited) Bleh, MMOs, especially SWTOR aren't the type of game to have serious discussions over gender issues in. They tend to appeal to people looking for quick visual gratification who don't make it their mission to see misogyny or misandry or ableism, or whatever in every single portrayal of a social interaction. Pretty unexpected that one or two people here acknowledge the existence of misandry. Progress? Edited August 17, 2013 by sofakingzoe
Caelrie Posted August 18, 2013 Posted August 18, 2013 Pretty unexpected that one or two people here acknowledge the existence of misandry. Progress? Of course it exists. Thing is, it's only found in a few radical fringe zealots who don't have any power over anything.
TriggerBlade Posted August 18, 2013 Author Posted August 18, 2013 Of course it exists. Thing is, it's only found in a few radical fringe zealots who don't have any power over anything. New Age Feminist?
TriggerBlade Posted August 23, 2013 Author Posted August 23, 2013 Sad that this didn't get much attention. Though at least I know a few got a laugh or two.
Aries_cz Posted August 23, 2013 Posted August 23, 2013 Because you know, heroes can only be men, and they have great bodies and hair, and no glasses.To be honest, I don't think glasses exist in SW universe (feel free to correct me). Visual problems are corrected by technology (cybernetics) or through some other freakishly effective healing methods (technical or Force). But yes, this annoys me a bit as well, as I am also "four-eyes".
Chicktopus Posted August 23, 2013 Posted August 23, 2013 You may scoff at male body type one, but I actually have a friend who looks like that. Yes, It's hilarious. I'll agree that male body-type three is just...wrong. People that shape don't exist outside of PowerThirst ads. All this being said, I'm glad male body-type four exists. It adds an air of realism to find not everyone looks like a chiselled anamatron that stumbled out of Michelangelo's workshop.
SkunkWerks Posted August 23, 2013 Posted August 23, 2013 I'd just like to thank the OP for his economy of words. You made me stop reading this post in record time.
TriggerBlade Posted August 23, 2013 Author Posted August 23, 2013 I'd just like to thank the OP for his economy of words. You made me stop reading this post in record time. It's a joke post.
PlasmaJohn Posted August 23, 2013 Posted August 23, 2013 It's less "laziness" and more "recognition that more customization than they have already provided would cause massive amounts of lag in rendering new models in the client". The laziness is the dev's choice of engine. Simple scaling is trivial as is limited axis (z-only, xy-axis). There are shader techniques that can be used to morph physique with almost no additional data or GPU cost. (see the MakeHuman project). To be honest, I don't think glasses exist in SW universe (feel free to correct me).The suns still shine on Tattooine. There are various opaque eyewear pieces. I'd looooove semi-transparent shades (eg. yellow wraparounds that let you see the eyes).
Glumish Posted August 23, 2013 Posted August 23, 2013 This post gave me a good laugh, we need more humor on these boards. It's a shame that people are taking it seriously though.
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