OldSpiceSwag Posted August 16, 2013 Share Posted August 16, 2013 good pts that have played on the pts, what do you think? is pyro pt back? how significant was the thermal buff? how does it compare to pre 2.0? plz+ty Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cashogy_reborn Posted August 16, 2013 Share Posted August 16, 2013 I dont think anyone has played on the PTS... there is a bugged queue atm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesBalla Posted August 16, 2013 Share Posted August 16, 2013 I can't even log onto the PTS. :< Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evuo Posted August 16, 2013 Share Posted August 16, 2013 Speaking from a Powertech point of view. Just looking at the patch notes I'd go with no. How are you supposed to slow your target to keep them in range or kite them effectively (outside of Hydraulic Overrides)? Sweltering Heat applies its slow every time CGC is applied. Most commonly this was done with the 100% chance given to Flame Burst as a result of the Bursting Flame talent. Sweltering Heat still is a underwhelming 30% slow for 2 seconds, but now can only be applied reliably via Rocket Punch (assuming you are spec'd into Bursting Flame) or Flame Sweep (assuming you are spec'd into Volatile Igniter). Flame Burst will just now have a 45% chance to trigger CGC in turn triggering Sweltering Heat (if you have fully spec'd into Bursting Flame and Sweltering Heat). A 45% chance to slow my target for 30% lasting a duration of 2 seconds doesn't signal a comeback to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aelaias Posted August 16, 2013 Share Posted August 16, 2013 IR damage was already underwhelming and they nerfed it a bit. The pvp burst may have been improved very slightly although with the low crit chance I don't see it making too much of a difference. Most likely pure pyro will still underperform in pve. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldSpiceSwag Posted August 16, 2013 Author Share Posted August 16, 2013 from what im seeing it looks like what they did with pyro is: give us 1 big buff - "Increased Assault Plastique explosion damage" that everyone had been screaming for since 2.0 (but we dont know how much they actually increased it by) and followed that up with 2 little but significant nerfs: - "slightly" reduced the damage dealt by incendiary round (because it did so much damage amiright) - "Ionized Ignition has been redesigned: Stockstrike has a 33/66/100% chance and if Plasma Cell is active, Ion Pulse has a 15/30/45% chance to trigger it." this nerf is bigger than people realize. on a 9s cooldown, we will only be garunteed a proc of cgc every 9. that means our slow that was previously spammable with a bursty ability is now being diluted to 1 bursty ability every 9s, and we will now have to throw in more rapid shots than previously in order to keep our target slowed, further diluting damage. plus they also kept our main dot halved and our armor pen terrible so to answer my own question, unless i hear otherwise, im gonna assume we still suck Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KhalDrogoe Posted August 16, 2013 Share Posted August 16, 2013 PT/Vanguards maybe, but Merc Pyro is still gutted to hell and back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keypek Posted August 16, 2013 Share Posted August 16, 2013 Yeah no, unless they put almost all of the DoT damage back into thermal detonator's up front blast I consider the changes mostly a nerf. But even then you'd have to spec into all the other horrible stuff at the top of the assault tree to get to it. Tactics looks like it might be interesting depending on all the damage values that got changed up and down. I will be testing that out this weekend hopefully. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aelaias Posted August 16, 2013 Share Posted August 16, 2013 (edited) I was trying to remember hard what ionized ignition was and looking at it now boy, there must be a rectally-injured operative (or marauder or shadow)-playing developer on the class balance staff. If this is their idea of restoring the spec they can go **** themselves. Edited August 16, 2013 by Aelaias Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iDraxter Posted August 16, 2013 Share Posted August 16, 2013 (edited) omg............all we had left was a crappy 30% snare for 2SECS on a spammable ability Flameburst and they took even that from me?! Isn`t it enough that my only gap closer is on a 45 sec CD and is restricted by targets Resolve? This just makes killing operative healers even more impossible how`s a 2 seconds snare on a 9 sec CD(guaranted) help me againts roll? goddammit againts Great op healers atleast I was putting some pressure on(I could never ever dream of solo killing anyway) but now I can`t even keep up with him:D Seriously BW must we all just reroll smashers to have a seat as "THE" Dmg dealer?? Edited August 16, 2013 by iDraxter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aelaias Posted August 16, 2013 Share Posted August 16, 2013 (edited) To hell with the snare (although that is bad enough on its own), these imbeciles are depriving the spec of a large chunk of its already underwhelming dps. First the halved plasma cell damage, now they cut it's chance to be triggered by half between stock strike and ion pulse. Just to reiterate, Assault/Pyro is getting a nice fat nerf once again. Someone was predicting this and they were completely correct. Edited August 16, 2013 by Aelaias Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Besta Posted August 16, 2013 Share Posted August 16, 2013 (edited) nerfing dead class you cant find in any wz nowadays and having not even representative is ANOTHER FAIL IN biofail failures Edited August 16, 2013 by Besta Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chickensevil Posted August 16, 2013 Share Posted August 16, 2013 First, on the plus side, AP/Tactics got a very nice overall buff. How much this helps has yet to be determined... but hey at least we might finally have ONE viable full tree spec. Second, yeah, sorry mercs looks like pyro still is going to suck for you too. The heat change to IM and the higher burst on TD might* make a minor difference for you, so it might be a little less doom and gloom, but I have to agree in PVP, that change to our slow is going to ruin the spec altogether... No reliable gap closer... period... whether it is a grapple affected by resolve or our now 50% chance to slow to 30%... that is just terrible. I agree, I think someone on the dev team got really sad they were getting burst to death by pyro pre-2.0 that they want us to be complete ****. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gren-Aluren Posted August 16, 2013 Share Posted August 16, 2013 (edited) I dunno, I've been watching arena streams all day and most of the teams I've seen that won had a Vanguard/Powertech DPS. Edited August 16, 2013 by Gren-Aluren Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldSpiceSwag Posted August 16, 2013 Author Share Posted August 16, 2013 I dunno, I've been watching arena streams all day and most of the teams I've seen that won had a Vanguard/Powertech DPS. garuntee they werent pyro Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seengularity Posted August 16, 2013 Share Posted August 16, 2013 (edited) *** guys. Some well known player post here saying whether PT is back or not NAO!!! I'm still in the salt mines (shift won't be over for another 3 1/2 hours!). Not that I play pt, but I do need to know this. Get on it damn it. Edited August 16, 2013 by Seengularity Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gren-Aluren Posted August 16, 2013 Share Posted August 16, 2013 (edited) garuntee they werent pyro They were because they were using plastique. There are a lot of people who want to test out the changes. But I see no reason the class cannot be viable in small 4v4 team battles. The issue was in larger battles. Edited August 16, 2013 by Gren-Aluren Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldSpiceSwag Posted August 16, 2013 Author Share Posted August 16, 2013 (edited) They were because they were using plastique. There are a lot of people who want to test out the changes. But I see no reason the class cannot be viable in small 4v4 team battles. The issue was in larger battles. no more slow and reduced incendiary damage...basically no more gap closer and making a more useless talent more useless, plus still no more armor pen and our cgc dot is still halved Edited August 16, 2013 by OldSpiceSwag Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DuffAlmighty Posted August 16, 2013 Share Posted August 16, 2013 Its a nerf. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarthBloodloss Posted August 17, 2013 Share Posted August 17, 2013 The change to Incendiary Missile is a buff for any PvP Merc Pyro that might happen to be out there. It wasn't used for damage, but really to just set them on fire. Lowering the damage has little impact in PvP, but lowering the heat is a big deal since its basically the opener. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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