midianlord Posted August 12, 2013 Share Posted August 12, 2013 (edited) Yeah, what the title says. This is the build I have in mind, as above, with Combustion Gas cylinder loaded, naturally: http://www.torhead.com/skill-calc#300ZrfcRrzRkcZcGMrzoM.3 So what do y'all think, can this build be viable in WZ, O/W, and in the odd Flashpoint? 'Cuz I loooooves me my Arsens forever, but after so long, the spec has gotten a bit boring. Besides, I like to be able to actually use those dual blasters a bit more, it just seems wasteful with them just sitting there on my hips Cheers, everybody. Pew-pew! Edited August 12, 2013 by midianlord Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cashogy_reborn Posted August 12, 2013 Share Posted August 12, 2013 (edited) No, not viable. You are almost entirely dependent on casted abilities. Idk what the DPS output is, but youd be better off in PvE with this spec b/c you can get away with a severe lack of mobility. Edited August 12, 2013 by cashogy_reborn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimvinny Posted August 12, 2013 Share Posted August 12, 2013 No HSM? No thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarthBloodloss Posted August 12, 2013 Share Posted August 12, 2013 (edited) If you want to go with an non-viable hybrid, go Bodyguard/Arsenal. Its the best non-viable hybrid out there! But seriously....its a fun hybrid if you don't mind a loss. Take most of Arsenal, and half of bodyguard. The main "quasi-advantage" of that build is that you are extremely hard to kill since you can HO all day long with an improved Kolto Missile and improved healing. Low DPS Low Heals High Fun Factor (as long as there are a few bads on the other team to balance you out) Edited August 12, 2013 by DarthBloodloss Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LordKantner Posted August 13, 2013 Share Posted August 13, 2013 I have also tried this spec and it is not viable. If even one thing doesn't proc correctly you go from 3400 dps to like 2k dps. Maybe in the future, cause it would be fun to have a simple rotation of Power Shot >Unload>Railshot>Repeat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
midianlord Posted August 13, 2013 Author Share Posted August 13, 2013 I was thinking that if Unload can (75% probability) reset RailShot, then that would make up for lack of HSM if Barrage proc's? (Usually every second or third TM or alternating/"fake-casting" PS for me, and the RailShot proc is "front-loaded," off an Unload, IIRC.) Also, TM's Armour debuff (freeing up the first RailShot) and Power Shot's equal chance to proc Barrage and RailShot mightn't balance that as well? It's unfortunate that Merc AC doesn't seem to lend itself to hybridisation at all well. I'll have to do some in game testing, but I think my GPU might have gone "urp" so ATM I'm stuck in safe-mode Thanks for the responses mates, keep 'em coming! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brandonkassem Posted August 13, 2013 Share Posted August 13, 2013 I also checked out this hybrid spec on my mando, I do like the double proc every 6 seconds, and I think it has some room for improvement. Seeing that the majority of gunnery/arsenal dmg comes from Full auto/unload I don't see why an added HiB every 6 seconds (which vents 8 heat or something) cant make a good rotation. One good thing I would say about this spec is resource management! hitting the Dummy for 5 mins and I didn't even have to worry about resource management Its also quite fun to play in pvp, (at least a nice change from the usual gunnery rotation) and I was averaging 300k+ in WZ's. idk if it would ever be viable RWZ's but still fun to play Ill continue to do some testing and try to find a reliable rotation Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cashogy_reborn Posted August 13, 2013 Share Posted August 13, 2013 Its not viable in PvP at all. Too much dependence on procs and on casting. You need to be using Power Shot and Unload constantly to maximize your Barrage/PPA procs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
midianlord Posted August 17, 2013 Author Share Posted August 17, 2013 Its not viable in PvP at all. Too much dependence on procs and on casting. You need to be using Power Shot and Unload constantly to maximize your Barrage/PPA procs. ^^That's^^ kinda what I thought. I can't get into game at present due to hardware issues, but naow I haz a sad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KeyboardNinja Posted August 19, 2013 Share Posted August 19, 2013 (edited) My guild's top parsing commando gets a 3k in gunnery. He actually does (sort of) serious parsing with this spec to tease me, since I have run it in casual raids just to fool around. The best he's been able to do in this spec is about 2.6k. You're super-incredibly dependent on RNG. If you get very lucky with your Full Auto/Unload procs, the DPS will be quite solid (but no where near as solid as full gunnery/arsenal with the same luck). Weaving in Grav Round/Tracer Missile as filler between High Impact Bolt/Rail Shot procs is where some of the skill comes in, since that boosts your Charged Barrel/Tracer Lock. At the end of the day though, the ammo/heat management is terrible, since you don't get the regen/vent proc from Armor Piercing Cell/Cylinder, and this converts the rotation into a fairly horrible downward spiral of Hammer Shot / Rapid Shot spam. Edited August 19, 2013 by KeyboardNinja Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slicksteezin Posted August 19, 2013 Share Posted August 19, 2013 If you want to go with an non-viable hybrid, go Bodyguard/Arsenal. Its the best non-viable hybrid out there! But seriously....its a fun hybrid if you don't mind a loss. Take most of Arsenal, and half of bodyguard. The main "quasi-advantage" of that build is that you are extremely hard to kill since you can HO all day long with an improved Kolto Missile and improved healing. Low DPS Low Heals High Fun Factor (as long as there are a few bads on the other team to balance you out) This. If you're planning on PVPing with a hybrid spec, bodyguard/arsenal is the only reasonable option. That being said, i still doubt it would be better than primary arsenal. But I have seen a couple hybrid merc's do work in rated wzs with their self heals. OP, With the spec you posted, you would be overheating like a mofo. Regardless of any spec, vent heat (0/3) in bodyguard spec is an absolute must. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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