Skolops Posted July 16, 2013 Share Posted July 16, 2013 Now that the inflammatory title is out of the way, let me say a few reasonable things. First, as an avid PvPer who has so little concern for PvE that I haven't even done most of the flashpoints a single time, I'm actually not upset that the dev post today lists patch 2.4 with a lot of PvE items in it and only one PvP item. I will be very happy to try some arean warzones or whatever they end up being. Second, I think the powers that be have done a lot more for PvP than they are given credit for. For example, I think that 2.0 was almost exclusively a PvP patch. All of that class balancing and those new skills were not for PvErs, after all. That being said, while I have been in the past thought a lot of folks were being unreasonable in complaining about the state of PvP in the game, if anyone does about this update I really can't look to harshly upon them. 2.4 was billed as an enormous PvP update, so to have it delineated as being 2/3 PvE will no doubt greatly disappoint and upset many people, and while I still look forward to what is to come, I cannot blame them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cashogy_reborn Posted July 16, 2013 Share Posted July 16, 2013 Now that the inflammatory title is out of the way, let me say a few reasonable things. First, as an avid PvPer who has so little concern for PvE that I haven't even done most of the flashpoints a single time, I'm actually not upset that the dev post today lists patch 2.4 with a lot of PvE items in it and only one PvP item. I will be very happy to try some arean warzones or whatever they end up being. Second, I think the powers that be have done a lot more for PvP than they are given credit for. For example, I think that 2.0 was almost exclusively a PvP patch. All of that class balancing and those new skills were not for PvErs, after all. That being said, while I have been in the past thought a lot of folks were being unreasonable in complaining about the state of PvP in the game, if anyone does about this update I really can't look to harshly upon them. 2.4 was billed as an enormous PvP update, so to have it delineated as being 2/3 PvE will no doubt greatly disappoint and upset many people, and while I still look forward to what is to come, I cannot blame them. its definitely a bait and switch. we are told we are getting one thing, and then given something completely different. and 2.0 a PvP patch? lolwut.... we got new abilities/class balance for the new level cap and PvE content. we got a new Boslter mechanic, which has been broken since release and not actually be fixed yet. this is bad. despite the fact that PvP is incredibly popular in this game, bioware continues to ignore it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
curtkram Posted July 16, 2013 Share Posted July 16, 2013 it's not a bait and switch yet. they haven't given you anything yet. there is a lot of time between now and october. anything could happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kilora Posted July 16, 2013 Share Posted July 16, 2013 Yep. We ALL know that the 4 things they've listed are the only things that will be included. There is no way they could add anything new, and they definitely won't include anymore PvP stuff. It isn't a bait and switch. If you think you've been baited -- you made a moronic decision. Hardcore PvPers should've probably unsubbed until the 2.4 patch notes came out. Anyway -- point is. If 2.4 really doesn't include anything more for PvP than just 4v4, break out the torches and pitchforks, because that would be BW making a huge mistake. Until actual patch notes are released, how about everyone steps back and shuts up? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlienEyeTX Posted July 16, 2013 Share Posted July 16, 2013 Until actual patch notes are released, how about everyone steps back and shuts up? But you ask the impossible... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
curtkram Posted July 16, 2013 Share Posted July 16, 2013 that's a bit harsh. it does seem like they're moving the goal posts a bit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrJurgens Posted July 16, 2013 Share Posted July 16, 2013 But you ask the impossible... No one is gonna shut up because this update is atrocious... to PvP'ers. Right now I see about 70:30 for PvE/PvP or maybe even 80:20 for PvE/PvP. Really sad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
znihilist Posted July 16, 2013 Share Posted July 16, 2013 Until actual patch notes are released, how about everyone steps back and shuts up? That would be too logical and makes too much sense for anyone to do so! This is MMO forums for Zeus' sake! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TUXs Posted July 16, 2013 Share Posted July 16, 2013 Until actual patch notes are released, how about everyone steps back and shuts up? You start Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CKHelseth Posted July 16, 2013 Share Posted July 16, 2013 It is only bait and switch if Arena pvp fails to improve the PvP experience imho. It is no small task making this work either. WoW tried it and failed horribly. I hope they know what they are doing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
islander Posted July 16, 2013 Share Posted July 16, 2013 Now that the inflammatory title is out of the way, let me say a few reasonable things. First, as an avid PvPer who has so little concern for PvE that I haven't even done most of the flashpoints a single time, I'm actually not upset that the dev post today lists patch 2.4 with a lot of PvE items in it and only one PvP item. I will be very happy to try some arean warzones or whatever they end up being. Second, I think the powers that be have done a lot more for PvP than they are given credit for. For example, I think that 2.0 was almost exclusively a PvP patch. All of that class balancing and those new skills were not for PvErs, after all. That being said, while I have been in the past thought a lot of folks were being unreasonable in complaining about the state of PvP in the game, if anyone does about this update I really can't look to harshly upon them. 2.4 was billed as an enormous PvP update, so to have it delineated as being 2/3 PvE will no doubt greatly disappoint and upset many people, and while I still look forward to what is to come, I cannot blame them. The only thing 2.0 brought was horrible bolster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chuixupu Posted July 16, 2013 Share Posted July 16, 2013 I'm not even a PVP'er, and I'm VERY excited about all the PVE content coming, but after hearing all the talk of 2.4 being a big update for PVP'ers, this does seem to be a bit of a let down. Of course, it still is possible that there's more to it that we aren't getting. Last update made no mention of operations at all, let alone two, so it could just be a matter of them not sure how much they're able to complete for this particular target date. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamthehoyden Posted July 16, 2013 Share Posted July 16, 2013 Anyway -- point is. If 2.4 really doesn't include anything more for PvP than just 4v4, break out the torches and pitchforks, because that would be BW making a huge mistake. Until actual patch notes are released, how about everyone steps back and shuts up? While it's a little early to be going all out, it's not a bad idea for the devs to see what kind of reaction they will be getting if all they release in what's supposed to be a major pvp patch is 4x4 arenas. Early feedback = possible course corrections. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteelPiranha Posted July 16, 2013 Share Posted July 16, 2013 Maybe they found a pvp game-breaking bug that they need to address before they confirm it will be released officially with the patch. Or maybe it could be a surprise. Or maybe they don't want to give too much info as that will cause people dream(self-inflicted) up a PVP god-patch, then be extremely let down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cycao Posted July 16, 2013 Share Posted July 16, 2013 While it's a little early to be going all out, it's not a bad idea for the devs to see what kind of reaction they will be getting if all they release in what's supposed to be a major pvp patch is 4x4 arenas. Early feedback = possible course corrections. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteelPiranha Posted July 16, 2013 Share Posted July 16, 2013 While it's a little early to be going all out, it's not a bad idea for the devs to see what kind of reaction they will be getting if all they release in what's supposed to be a major pvp patch is 4x4 arenas. Early feedback = possible course corrections. Correct. But the possible course corrections may delay the patch which will cause just as big a uproar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlienEyeTX Posted July 16, 2013 Share Posted July 16, 2013 Or maybe they don't want to give too much info as that will cause people dream(self-inflicted) up a PVP god-patch, then be extremely let down. Too late. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainBlackjack Posted July 16, 2013 Share Posted July 16, 2013 Lets queue the daycare drama team and we can all have a laugh at the pvp whining Its months before release and your tears are hitting floor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Radzkie Posted July 16, 2013 Share Posted July 16, 2013 (edited) I really hope 4x4 doesn't lead to lots of class nerfing. Edited July 16, 2013 by Radzkie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cycao Posted July 16, 2013 Share Posted July 16, 2013 Maybe they found a pvp game-breaking bug that they need to address before they confirm it will be released officially with the patch. They released bolster with 2.0... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TUXs Posted July 16, 2013 Share Posted July 16, 2013 While it's a little early to be going all out, it's not a bad idea for the devs to see what kind of reaction they will be getting if all they release in what's supposed to be a major pvp patch is 4x4 arenas. Early feedback = possible course corrections. Thank you thank you thank you!!!! That is EXACTLY why I feel we need to make noise NOW. If that's all there is, there's no sense in even doing it...focus on more PvE instead. And I mean that...they would honestly be better off just dropping this facade that they give a f*** about PvP and just dedicate all resources to PvE. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Going Posted July 16, 2013 Share Posted July 16, 2013 Would you like a glass of wine with that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TUXs Posted July 16, 2013 Share Posted July 16, 2013 Would you like a glass of wine with that? Did you wet yourself after posting that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WillHolmes Posted July 16, 2013 Share Posted July 16, 2013 these threads are such a fail, not once did they ever say it was PVP ONLY not once, they simply said the pvp'ers will be excited once they see what they are getting, nowhere within that does it state their will not be PVE content. When they gave the new hint a month or w.e ago u should have known there was on operation comin, many times has the names "oricon" and "dread masters" been connected to the final operation in this story arch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CKHelseth Posted July 16, 2013 Share Posted July 16, 2013 While it's a little early to be going all out, it's not a bad idea for the devs to see what kind of reaction they will be getting if all they release in what's supposed to be a major pvp patch is 4x4 arenas. Early feedback = possible course corrections. I really think people are going to have to see the impact of these arenas on PvP before getting too worked up. I mean if they get queues popping and bring more competitive ranks teams in then it will be a great patch. My guild is PvE focused and has always struggled to field an 8-man ranked team. A four man team is more than within our ability to do. I would expect that many other guild like mine will see this as a more viable way to be active in ranked PvP without having having to make it our focus. Again they have to work and be fun, but if Bioware can make it so I think it will grow the PvP community and allow Bioware to make improvements/expansions to PvP a greater priority to development without worrying about having to feed the endgame PvE beast at every turn as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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