Mezaril Posted June 24, 2013 Share Posted June 24, 2013 (edited) :confused:Will someone please answer me as to since when are 50+ in the same warzones with lower levels? I have been playing this game since beta and on each of my 20 toons have had the fun and experience queing for warzones. As I can recall when they hit 50 they no longer to que with lower level guildmates. Recently my latest toon has attempted to do warzones. When I first tried this week I was only level 33 and was pwnd hard by 3 level 54s that were immune to my attacks. It really takes the joy, fun, and challenge out of playing warzones. I just do not understand why this has changed. If I am the only one who feels this way fine. But if not some feedback would be nice. Thanks Edited June 24, 2013 by Mezaril Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jolleebindu Posted June 24, 2013 Share Posted June 24, 2013 wz's are broken up into brackets to allow more equitable play however, because there are no cross-server ques, there is a trade-off between the level bracket size and the queueing time bioware as chosen to have 3 separate brackets 10-29 30-54 and 55 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kegparty Posted June 24, 2013 Share Posted June 24, 2013 the bracket is up to 54 we are bolstered down and you are bolstered way up. Abilities are the only thing that seperates it. Honestly you can probably auto shot and get more damage than 70% of the players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharee Posted June 24, 2013 Share Posted June 24, 2013 I just do not understand why this has changed. It was changed when the expansion increased the maximum level from 50 to 55. The maximum level still has it's own bracket, only now it is 55 instead of 50. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jolleebindu Posted June 24, 2013 Share Posted June 24, 2013 after a bit more thought, having the brackets be shifted so the last one is 51-55 makes sense to me. at this point the players will have all of their skills and the few remaining talent points won't have a significant impact (usually) on the play style and since bolster is included in max lvl play, i don't see any reason this shouldn't be the case... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackNader Posted June 24, 2013 Share Posted June 24, 2013 (edited) brackets should be 10 - 29 30 - 44 45 - 54 (top tier talents come online at 45. Top tier abilities generally come online at 46, 50 and 51) 55 Edited June 24, 2013 by JackNader Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MidichIorian Posted June 24, 2013 Share Posted June 24, 2013 (edited) I think they would have wanted to have more brackets but it's a population issue. Personally I think 10-39, 40-54 and 55 would have been better though. Some classes are late bloomers so it's not really a big deal that a lvl 10 has to go up against a 39. It really sucks to in some cases be a lvl 30 against a lvl 54 though. Edited June 24, 2013 by MidichIorian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth_Vampirius Posted June 24, 2013 Share Posted June 24, 2013 wz's are broken ^This^ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mulzii Posted June 24, 2013 Share Posted June 24, 2013 i've never noticed a huge difference, all things considered. I've pvp'd every class, and my lvl 11 toons do alright against the 29s, and my 30's do okay against the 54's. Only difference is that the 54's take a bit more skill to bring down on my lower toons, as their full skillset gives them more survivability. But its not a rofl stomp by any means, just keeps me on my toes a bit more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AngusFTW Posted June 24, 2013 Share Posted June 24, 2013 They should give snipers and assasins there own bracket so they fight amongst each other with 10k hits. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sziroten Posted June 24, 2013 Share Posted June 24, 2013 As being very skeptical about these new brackets before they have been released... I think they made the right cut, however I don't understand how it qualifies that someone at lvl 49 has like 4k more health than when he turns lvl 50 and just because of one ability at 51 you should be shafted like this? Anyway, brackets are fine as they are, the only thing they should add is allowing you to exchange ranked from lvl 10 and buy your lvl 55 pvp set from lvl 10 as well (though not usable until 55). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fellow-Canadian Posted June 24, 2013 Share Posted June 24, 2013 Bolster for low level brackets is fine. A good PVP'er will outplay any 50+ toon. It only gets easier as you gain levels. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teclado Posted June 24, 2013 Share Posted June 24, 2013 (edited) When I first tried this week I was only level 33 and was pwnd hard by 3 level 54s that were immune to my attacks. They are not immune to your attacks. There was actually a thought process behind the current arrangement. The 30-54 bracket exists because you will have the bulk of your abilities by level 30. Sure, a 54 will have a few more abilities than you, but it is not fair to say that they are immune to your attacks. Bolster makes it pretty darn fair IMO. The problem with making more brackets is that queue times will suffer. Also, 3 level 30s will pwn a single level 54 hard. You can't really win a 3v1 in this game. The level of the three pwners vs the level of the pwnee is moot. Overall, I'd actually be more in favor of having a single 10-54 bracket for the sake of queue times. Yes, I would gladly take on a lvl 54 with my lvl 10. When I win, it will be all the more epic. Plus, it's not like it takes very long to get to ~30. Edited June 24, 2013 by teclado Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skylancewalker Posted June 24, 2013 Share Posted June 24, 2013 (edited) the bracket is up to 54 we are bolstered down and you are bolstered way up. Abilities are the only thing that seperates it. Honestly you can probably auto shot and get more damage than 70% of the players. No and no...a 54 is not bolstered down one bit. You are only bolstered down when you are an idiot and wear expertise gear and high end gear. You can wear purple lvl 49 gear at 54 and super stomp everyone. Edited June 24, 2013 by Skylancewalker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jarfunkz Posted June 24, 2013 Share Posted June 24, 2013 We should have 55 warzone brackets, one for each level. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheronFett Posted June 24, 2013 Share Posted June 24, 2013 Nah, not unfair. They got the brackets right IMHO. @ 30, most classes have filled out just about all of their AC-specific abilities. There are a few left north of 40, but they're not really game changers, with the exception of scamper/roll. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatsheput Posted June 24, 2013 Share Posted June 24, 2013 Nah, not unfair. They got the brackets right IMHO. @ 30, most classes have filled out just about all of their AC-specific abilities. There are a few left north of 40, but they're not really game changers, with the exception of scamper/roll. You have to be joking to think that force crush is not a game changer... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimsPicken Posted June 24, 2013 Share Posted June 24, 2013 no one was immune to your attacks. They were better players on better geared/higher level characters, bolster puts you in the same ballpark stat wise, but they have way more talents and abilities to use. Theres no perfect solution to brackets that would make everyone happy and still have decent queue times, so all you can do is be in good gear as you level, and enjoy your time from 50-54 as the top dog in the field. But trust me, a good player on a lvl 30 beats a bad lvl 54 every day. Two equally skilled players you are at a disadvantage being lower level, but something as simple as getting in the first crit can still be the difference between winning or losing a 1v1. But yeah, lifes not fair. Deal with it and work around your disadvantages. Some days you are the hammer, some days the nail. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kegparty Posted June 24, 2013 Share Posted June 24, 2013 (edited) No and no...a 54 is not bolstered down one bit. You are only bolstered down when you are an idiot and wear expertise gear and high end gear. You can wear purple lvl 49 gear at 54 and super stomp everyone. Cool story. I have 0 expertise on level 54 with one of my toons and I lose crit and surge but gain power to offset.. you are bolstered down just on your ttk in my opinion. I would rather have the power for the total damage number but definitely losing 1.2 crit multiplier and 1.5 crit Edited June 24, 2013 by Kegparty Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thesadplanet Posted June 24, 2013 Share Posted June 24, 2013 i lead pretty much every 30-54 game in damage on my sniper when I was level 30. its fine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wainamoinen Posted June 24, 2013 Share Posted June 24, 2013 (edited) No and no...a 54 is not bolstered down one bit. The combat equations for diminishing retuns from stats are different in 10-50 and 55. You get less bang for your stat buck at 55. levels 51-54 scale from the level 50 equations (same as everyone had pre 2.0) to the new level 55 equations brought in with 2.0. This means that your higher stats become much less useful as you level from 50 to 55. Particularly Crit. As you go up in levels between 50 and 55 you're critting less often and doing less damage. A character is probably strongest in lowbie PvP at 51, when they still get most of the more generous pre-2.0 stat effects and also have their new level-51 ability. Edited June 24, 2013 by Wainamoinen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smellmop Posted June 24, 2013 Share Posted June 24, 2013 meh...I'm not great and i think the 30-54 bracket is pretty even. The 10-29 bracket is a little lopsided to shadow/sins and slinger/snipers as they get some pretty hard hitters and cc's early Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kegparty Posted June 25, 2013 Share Posted June 25, 2013 (edited) The combat equations for diminishing retuns from stats are different in 10-50 and 55. You get less bang for your stat buck at 55. levels 51-54 scale from the level 50 equations (same as everyone had pre 2.0) to the new level 55 equations brought in with 2.0. This means that your higher stats become much less useful as you level from 50 to 55. Particularly Crit. As you go up in levels between 50 and 55 you're critting less often and doing less damage. A character is probably strongest in lowbie PvP at 51, when they still get most of the more generous pre-2.0 stat effects and also have their new level-51 ability. I can actually agree with this. Granted the whole bolster system is wacky and hard to actually predict but I am seeing drops in crit and surge but a boost in damage. I do not know what my bonus damage difference was when I was 51 though because I am not 51 anymore. Just showing what I am losing from outside of bolster to inside. 1.5 % crit lost 1.5% surge lost but 110 bonus damage. Edited June 25, 2013 by Kegparty Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlrikFassbauer Posted June 26, 2013 Share Posted June 26, 2013 (edited) brackets should be 10 - 29 30 - 44 45 - 54 (top tier talents come online at 45. Top tier abilities generally come online at 46, 50 and 51) 55 This is what I believe myself. Level 30 against level 54 ... THe 30s just don't get enough skills & points in their trees for L2P (Laugh To Play). Edited June 26, 2013 by AlrikFassbauer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sziroten Posted June 26, 2013 Share Posted June 26, 2013 I can actually agree with this. Granted the whole bolster system is wacky and hard to actually predict but I am seeing drops in crit and surge but a boost in damage. I do not know what my bonus damage difference was when I was 51 though because I am not 51 anymore. Just showing what I am losing from outside of bolster to inside. 1.5 % crit lost 1.5% surge lost but 110 bonus damage. gear lvl 49 29k health same gear @ lvl 50 25k health... 3-4k difference by one single level Definitely tuned down as soon as you hit lvl 50.... . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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