Anyone else having problems with Concussive Round not working?

[Tiranea]

I think I first noticed this a couple of weeks ago in operations, when I was asked to CC a target with Concussive Round, I fired it, it went on cooldown, and yet nothing happened to the mob. At first I thought that it was a fluke or that someone had immediately broken it, but after having the same problem week after week, twice tonight alone and with nobody touching the mob at all, I'm really starting to wonder. We were combat logging tonight and I had a look at it afterwards. When CR worked as normal, the combat log looked like this:

 

[19:43:54.864] [@Shíntar] [@Shíntar] [Concussive Round {1682579208011776}] [Event {836045448945472}: AbilityActivate {836045448945479}] ()

[19:43:56.856] [@Shíntar] [@Shíntar] [] [Event {836045448945472}: EnterCombat {836045448945489}] ()

[19:43:56.868] [@Shíntar] [@Shíntar] [sprint {810670782152704}] [RemoveEffect {836045448945478}: Sprint {810670782152704}] ()

[19:43:56.869] [@Shíntar] [@Shíntar] [] [spend {836045448945473}: energy {836045448938503}] (8)

[19:43:57.485] [@Shíntar] [Mercenary Heavy Gunner {3066387606011904}:4308000044209] [Concussive Round {1682579208011776}] [ApplyEffect {836045448945477}: Asleep (Mental) {1682579208012032}] ()

[19:43:57.487] [@Shíntar] [Mercenary Heavy Gunner {3066387606011904}:4308000044209] [Concussive Round {1682579208011776}] [Event {836045448945472}: ModifyThreat {836045448945483}] () <1>

[19:43:58.497] [@Shíntar] [Mercenary Heavy Gunner {3066387606011904}:4308000044209] [Asleep (Mental) {1682579208012032}] [ApplyEffect {836045448945477}: Heal {836045448945500}

 

However when it didn't work, the log looked like this:

 

[20:18:43.984] [@Shíntar] [@Shíntar] [Concussive Round {1682579208011776}] [Event {836045448945472}: AbilityActivate {836045448945479}] ()

[20:18:44.195] [@Shíntar] [@Shíntar] [] [Event {836045448945472}: EnterCombat {836045448945489}] ()

[20:18:44.223] [@Shíntar] [@Shíntar] [sprint {810670782152704}] [RemoveEffect {836045448945478}: Sprint {810670782152704}] ()

[20:18:44.798] [@Shíntar] [@Topek] [Trauma Probe {999516199190528}] [ApplyEffect {836045448945477}: Heal {836045448945500}] (916) <405>

[20:18:46.007] [@Shíntar] [@Shíntar] [] [spend {836045448945473}: energy {836045448938503}] (8)

[20:18:46.927] [@Shíntar] [@Shíntar] [First Responder {2275937529888768}] [ApplyEffect {836045448945477}: First Responder {2275937529888768}] ()

[20:18:46.927] [@Shíntar] [@Topek] [Trauma Probe {999516199190528}] [ApplyEffect {836045448945477}: Heal {836045448945500}] (1717*) <772>

[20:18:47.158] [Hardened Medtech Droid {3066396195946496}:4308000050709] [@Shíntar] [Ranged Attack {3066653893984256}] [ApplyEffect {836045448945477}: Damage {836045448945501}] (1298 energy {836045448940874}) <1298>

[20:18:48.506] [underworld Arms Trader {3076639692947456}:4308000050805] [@Shíntar] [Ranged Attack {813449625993216}] [ApplyEffect {836045448945477}: Damage {836045448945501}] (936 energy {836045448940874}) <936>

[20:18:48.905] [underworld Arms Trader {3076639692947456}:4308000050805] [@Shíntar] [Ranged Attack {813449625993216}] [ApplyEffect {836045448945477}: Damage {836045448945501}]

 

Note how the lines about applying the "asleep" effect and modifying threat are missing and the mobs just start shooting me.

 

Anyone know what's up with that?

[GeckoOBac]

Can't say I noticed this happening, but last S&V run there were some hiccups with CCs when there's usually none... Since that's what you were doing in the parse I assume you know that some mobs are simply immune to cc, but if that's not the problem then it's difficult to say.

 

While unlikely, it IS possible that somebody broke CC... Unfortunately we can't see that from the log (nor, apparently, who was the target for the concussive round)

 

The fact that mobs start to hit you is just normal if you've done the CC before somebody else pulled.

[CJNJ]

With changes to accuracy it is possible to miss a CC. Seeing as you got trauma probef

I'll assume you are a healer so your accuracy is not 100%, and you missed it happens occasionally, u ain't the only one

[GeckoOBac]

With changes to accuracy it is possible to miss a CC. Seeing as you got trauma probef

I'll assume you are a healer so your accuracy is not 100%, and you missed it happens occasionally, u ain't the only one

 

The log would still show a "resist" entry if that were the case.

[Haggardbr]

I'm a gunnery mando and I can tell this is also happening to me, not so often, but it happens.

 

Per example... in that heroic 2 on Ilum, when I call out the siths and proceed to cc the elite, when I switch the targets to one of the strongs right after without firing a single shot on the cc'ed elite or using aoe next to him, his cc is broken.

 

I also noticed that right after the round is shot, the char shakes the cannon slightly like he's shivering with cold and if I change my target and start firing during this "bug" it automatically breaks the cc.

[Tiranea]

I hoped it would go without saying that I wasn't just trying to CC a mob that was immune.

 

The miss/resist thing was other people's first suggestion too, but as has also been said here, I still would expect to see something about that in the combat log. As it is, there is just no feedback whatsoever on why nothing is happening.

 

Not sure the Imperial Heroic 2 on Ilum is a good example though as I seem to recall that at least one of the summoned mobs there has the ability to dispel (and might thus undo any CC on its partner).

[orangenkaiser]

Yeah, there's no reason Concussive Round (CR) should be resisted. When you open up the abilities tab in-game, all abilities are broken down into four categories: Ranged/Melee (white damage), Force/Tech (yellow damage), Active and Passive. Active and Passive abilities don't pull from any kind of accuracy, so they're immune to resist, and CR is classified as an "Active" ability.

 

So, either one of two things is happening with CR, someone (either player or companion) put a DoT on the target (healing comps have a tendency to do this if you're targeting the mob when combat starts) and the DoT woke up the mob or there's a glitch/bug associated with the ability. If it's only happening in raids, I would recommend contacting customer support and reporting it as a bug. Hopefully they give you an email address you can mail your combat logs to so the CS/Dev guru's can take a look at it. (I got an email address from CS before to report a bug they needed screenshots from, dont remember the address)

[Miallen]

Here is one that happened last night during our S&V run. Notice the Unpredictable ability, and the fact that after CR was fired, there was no talk of it missing or even putting the target to sleep, which you can do on the Dustclaw trash.

 

 

20:57:45.676 Miallen enters combat.

20:57:45.717 Miallen activates Concussive Round.

20:57:45.718 Miallen loses Tech Override.

20:57:45.718 Miallen loses Sprint.

20:57:51.735 Miallen's Unpredictable causes 100000 threat gain on Dustclaw Ravager.

20:57:54.276 Miallen activates Kolto Bomb.

20:57:54.276 Miallen spends 16 energy.

20:57:54.599 Miallen's Kolto Residue adds effect Kolto Residue to Jay'cen.

20:57:54.599 Miallen gains First Responder.

20:57:54.599 Miallen's Kolto Residue adds effect Kolto Residue to Marlie.

20:57:54.600 Miallen gains Power Surge.

20:57:54.601 Miallen's Kolto Residue adds effect Kolto Residue to Valtig.

20:57:54.602 Miallen gains Kolto Residue.

20:57:54.602 Miallen's Kolto Bomb adds effect Slowed (Tech) to Dustclaw Ravager.

20:57:54.807 Miallen's Kolto Bomb critcally heals Jay'cen for 4448*!

20:57:54.807 Miallen's Kolto Bomb critcally heals Marlie for 3727*!

20:57:54.808 Miallen's Kolto Bomb heals Valtig for 2344.

20:57:54.808 Miallen's Kolto Bomb heals Miallen for 2415.

20:57:55.680 Miallen's Kolto Residue adds effect Kolto Residue to Pagess.

20:57:55.682 Miallen's Kolto Bomb critcally heals Jay'cen for 650*!

20:57:55.682 Miallen's Kolto Bomb heals Marlie for 361, causing 171 threat.

20:57:55.682 Miallen's Kolto Bomb heals Valtig for 335, causing 159 threat.

20:57:55.683 Miallen's Kolto Bomb heals Miallen for 335.

20:57:55.683 Miallen's Kolto Bomb heals Pagess for 326.

20:57:56.557 Miallen activates Bacta Infusion.

20:57:56.577 Miallen's Bacta Infusion heals Valtig for 3794, causing 1232 threat.

20:57:56.649 Miallen's Kolto Bomb effect of Slowed (Tech) fades from Dustclaw Ravager.

20:57:56.649 Miallen's Kolto Residue adds effect Kolto Residue to I'sys.

20:57:56.652 Miallen's Kolto Bomb heals Jay'cen for 342.

20:57:56.652 Miallen's Kolto Bomb critcally heals Valtig for 638*!

20:57:56.652 Miallen's Kolto Bomb heals I'sys for 326.

20:57:56.652 Miallen's Kolto Bomb critcally heals Miallen for 638*!

20:57:56.652 Miallen's Kolto Bomb heals Marlie for 361, causing 171 threat.

20:57:56.653 Miallen's Kolto Bomb heals Pagess for 335.

20:57:57.659 Miallen's Kolto Bomb heals Jay'cen for 342.

20:57:57.659 Miallen's Kolto Bomb heals Valtig for 335.

20:57:57.659 Miallen's Kolto Bomb heals I'sys for 335.

20:57:57.659 Miallen's Kolto Bomb critcally heals Miallen for 638*!

20:57:57.659 Miallen's Kolto Bomb heals Marlie for 361, causing 171 threat.

20:57:57.762 Miallen's Unpredictable causes 100000 threat gain on Dustclaw Ravager.

20:57:57.862 Miallen's Unpredictable causes -100908 threat loss on Dustclaw Ravager.

20:57:58.064 Miallen activates Medical Probe.

20:57:58.551 Dustclaw Ravager's Ravaging Frenzy hits Miallen for 2512 kinetic damage, causing 2512 threat.

20:58:00.393 Miallen spends 25 energy.

20:58:00.393 Miallen gains Supercharge.

20:58:00.394 Miallen's Medical Probe heals Marlie for 5107, causing 2265 threat.

20:58:00.690 Miallen loses Power Surge.

20:58:01.169 Miallen activates Hammer Shot.

20:58:01.776 Miallen's Hammer Shot heals Marlie for 356.

20:58:02.280 Miallen's Hammer Shot heals Marlie for 356.

20:58:02.583 Miallen activates Advanced Medical Probe.

20:58:02.779 Miallen's Hammer Shot heals Marlie for 356.

20:58:03.677 Miallen loses First Responder.

20:58:03.766 Miallen's Unpredictable causes -99024 threat loss on Dustclaw Ravager.

 

[GeckoOBac]

Unpredictable is just the threat drop that the gold dustclaws have. They randomly change target basically.

[inocelda]

 

However when it didn't work, the log looked like this:

 

[20:18:47.158] [Hardened Medtech Droid {3066396195946496}:4308000050709] [@Shíntar] [Ranged Attack {3066653893984256}] [ApplyEffect {836045448945477}: Damage {836045448945501}] (1298 energy {836045448940874}) <1298>

 

Anyone know what's up with that?

 

For reasons that I will not say here...I think it is something bugged with the Hardened Medtech Droid. Don't worry though, I am fairly certain it will be fixed with the release of the S&V Nightmare Mode patch

[Tiranea]

It's not limited to that type of mob though. I've also had it happen when trying to CC an Underworld Trader as well as trash in TfB.

[Miallen]

Yesterday while running through TFB, we noticed that one of the mobs (Gold Droid in the second Data Core Trash Room) was defying all CC's. He had a Sage Lift, Commando CR, and Sentinel Droid Stun, with debuffs shown, and was still attacking.

 

I still noticed it a few other times last night, and decided to put someone else in my CC slot so that we didn't risk the possibility of it happening at the wrong time.