New playable races?

[wadsfasdf]

I'm sure there's been a million and two posts regarding new races, just a few ideas on new races and systems.

 

At character creation screen, you should pick race first and then it should show the classes you can create with that race.

 

I would love to see Ewok and Wookie classes. Obviously they would be restricted from being jedi classes. Wookies would make good Bounty Hunters and like Chewie, good smugglers.

 

Selkath, Nautolan - more alien species.

 

I would also like to see a Droid class. Would be a little more difficult to incorporate into class stories, but perfectly suitable for BH stories. Haven't completed my Imp agent/smugger/trooper stories yet so i cant comment on whether they would fit in with those stories.

 

Besalisk would make an amazing tank species. (Dex from Episode 2 i think it was)

 

Bith, Duros.

 

Perhaps an Echani force using race.

 

I apologise for how terribly the thread is set out...

[Vitas]

Ewoks are highly unlikely to ever be playable due to their lore but they'd be more suited as companions.

 

Wookiees can become Jedi as shown here:

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Gungi

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Kirlocca

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Lowbacca

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Ruhr

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Tyvokka

 

The problem at the time was Lucas for a while not wanting any more Wookiee Jedi created however Gungi and Ruhr were introduced and now the Disney owns Lucasfilm, I think it's now safe to introduce more but of course within reason. I wouldn't mind seeing Wookiees playable as well as many other different species.

Edited April 6, 2013 by Vitas

[JekRendar]

Hi, you must be new here.

 

Regarding Player Species, the Devs said in the long, long ago, that all Player Species must be Near Human or Human (if you're unfamiliar with these Canonical terms, I suggest you brush up on your Canon). So, in short, no Player Species will ever be Wookiees, Trandoshans, Gungans, or Ewoks, because they don't fit the Devs' criteria.

 

Does this answer, regarding Player Species, help?

[Vitas]

Hi, you must be new here.

 

Regarding Player Species, the Devs said in the long, long ago, that all Player Species must be Near Human or Human (if you're unfamiliar with these Canonical terms, I suggest you brush up on your Canon). So, in short, no Player Species will ever be Wookiees, Trandoshans, Gungans, or Ewoks, because they don't fit the Devs' criteria.

 

Does this answer, regarding Player Species, help?

 

There are ways that certain species can become playable, nothing is impossible and the devs have at times made changes about their decisions on things. We can always hope that maybe at some point in time either Wookiees or Trandoshans may become playable in some capacity.

[JPryde]

The legacy system ultimately opens up all species for all classes, regardless how stupid that is. So essentially a playable ape.. err. wookiee would also mean a playable carpet-jedi... sorry.. wookiee jedi or sith. Which is a no-go.

 

The handful of examples in the twisted world of SW-EU only show, that even midichlorians are bound to fail at times. Once they come to their tiny senses of course, they drop out of wookiees by the millions. A force sentient wooiee is more like a vornsk or ysalamir... they use or repel the force... but do it subconsciously, just like the animals they are.

Wookiees are obviously closer to wild animals than to true sentient species (Chewie only prooves that in the movies) and so they should not be allowed to become Jedi or Sith ever.

 

additionally, the empire is already xenophobic as is, allowing only a select few races to truely get to power. No Sith would ever agree to give power to a wookiee beast, unless it is the power of hard work while chained and collared.

 

And the wookiees made playable would automatically be the weakest of their race, as the average flea-carpet is much stronger than the average humanoid.

 

I will never undertand, where the obsession of playable wookiees comes from. In the movies, Chewie is just a sidekick, not a hero. He is less important than C3PO and R2D2. In Episode 4 he is bascially just walking along as if on a leash (as it should be). In episode 5, Han mentions, how Chewie is breaking things of the falcons flight control apart, when it is obvious, that they need a quick escape. In Episode 6 the mighy warrior Chewbacca falls for a primitive trap laid by Ewoks.

Why do you guys want to play a foolish sidekick, when all storylines are about being a hero ?

[Vitas]

The legacy system ultimately opens up all species for all classes, regardless how stupid that is. So essentially a playable ape.. err. wookiee would also mean a playable carpet-jedi... sorry.. wookiee jedi or sith. Which is a no-go.

 

The handful of examples in the twisted world of SW-EU only show, that even midichlorians are bound to fail at times. Once they come to their tiny senses of course, they drop out of wookiees by the millions. A force sentient wooiee is more like a vornsk or ysalamir... they use or repel the force... but do it subconsciously, just like the animals they are.

Wookiees are obviously closer to wild animals than to true sentient species (Chewie only prooves that in the movies) and so they should not be allowed to become Jedi or Sith ever.

 

additionally, the empire is already xenophobic as is, allowing only a select few races to truely get to power. No Sith would ever agree to give power to a wookiee beast, unless it is the power of hard work while chained and collared.

 

And the wookiees made playable would automatically be the weakest of their race, as the average flea-carpet is much stronger than the average humanoid.

 

I will never undertand, where the obsession of playable wookiees comes from. In the movies, Chewie is just a sidekick, not a hero. He is less important than C3PO and R2D2. In Episode 4 he is bascially just walking along as if on a leash (as it should be). In episode 5, Han mentions, how Chewie is breaking things of the falcons flight control apart, when it is obvious, that they need a quick escape. In Episode 6 the mighy warrior Chewbacca falls for a primitive trap laid by Ewoks.

Why do you guys want to play a foolish sidekick, when all storylines are about being a hero ?

 

Except Star Wars lore states that all sentient beings, including Wookiees, can become force users but of course not every individual:

 

Wookiees can become Jedi as shown here:

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Gungi

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Kirlocca

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Lowbacca

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Ruhr

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Tyvokka

 

However with the lore, they'd have to alter the story for Wookiee players, possibly introducing an exclusive one altogether which could be the same for all classes except with some minor differences pending on the class choice. With the Empire, they'd possibly only be allowed to be a Bounty Hunter but seeing as the Inquisitor story deals with slavery, they could become one but with some exceptions and differences. Wookiees could also be selected as Jedi in Star Wars Galaxies, SWTOR's predecessor, so it wouldn't be anything new. There could be many ways as to how they can make Wookiees playable but your reason for why they can't be Jedi isn't really a logical one but appears to be based on preference.

[wadsfasdf]

I'm not saying it would be an easy task to incorporate some species. Maybe further down the track they can add new classes that use vibroblades/swords and make some races restricted to class. That would make the transition of wookies/ewoks/whatever a little easier considering they could make tanks/DPS out of them easily.

[JPryde]

Except Star Wars lore states that all sentient beings, including Wookiees, can become force users but of course not every individual:

I just do not see Wookiees as sentient beings

I love the quote from Quigon, even though it was directed at JarJar. "The ability to speak, doesn't make you intelligent". And Wookiees cannot even speak. Their communication is the same as that of a rancor or wump rat.

[Altyrell]

Wookiees are unlikely to be made playable as they are unable to speak Basic. The only Wookiee to speak clear enough to be understood was only able to do so because of a speech impediment.

 

Trandoshans are more likely to be made Playable, but would require some sacrifice or something

 

Ewoks you can already count them out as a Playable Species due to their Height, Inability to speak Basic, etc

 

Selkath might be able to be made playable but see Trandoshans

 

Nautolans might be able to become Playable but they would suffer similar problems that Twi'leks suffer from.

 

Droids could but are unlikely to be made Playable for a variety of reasons

 

Echani, as a Species, could be possible

 

Bith I don't believe that they'll be made playable as I don't believe that they are able to speak Basic.

 

Duros could be made Playable

 

Besalisk won't be able to be made Playable due to them having more then 2 Arms. Males have 4 and Females can have up to 8 arms.

[RodneyMcNeely]

Echani, as a Species, could be possible.

Two of my toons are Echani.

 

It's incredibly simple.

 

Select a Human.

 

Select pale skin.

 

Select white hair.

 

Select pale eyes.

 

Profit.

[RodneyMcNeely]

For my part, I would love to see Selonians and Esh-kha as playable races - even though they aren't fully humanoid.

 

I don't see animations as a problem, because NPCs of these species use many of the same animations for melee and ranged combat that our toons do.

 

Just my 2 credits.

[wadsfasdf]

I know a lot of the species I listed do not speak basic. It could be very possible to incorporate them into a story though. Like Wookies learning to speak basic from the slavers they were held captor by etc.

 

I would love to see Ewoks in game. It won't happen and would end up being SWTOR's version of Gnomes from WoW. It would provide some interesting /punt emotes though.

[Vitas]

I know a lot of the species I listed do not speak basic. It could be very possible to incorporate them into a story though. Like Wookies learning to speak basic from the slavers they were held captor by etc.

 

I would love to see Ewoks in game. It won't happen and would end up being SWTOR's version of Gnomes from WoW. It would provide some interesting /punt emotes though.

 

Wookiees aren't able to speak basic but still, that shouldn't be a reason why they can't be playable. Their native language can replace the dialogue whilst playing as one with subtitles under.

 

Short species aren't a problem either since the camera during cutscenes can automatically align with the players height except when it's in a fixed position. This was shown during the minature NPC bug where the camera aims at the character's eye line. Lanniks are a short species which can speak basic perfectly and which would be perfect to have playable.

[Altyrell]

Wookiees aren't able to speak basic but still, that shouldn't be a reason why they can't be playable. Their native language can replace the dialogue whilst playing as one with subtitles under.

 

Short species aren't a problem either since the camera during cutscenes can automatically align with the players height except when it's in a fixed position. This was shown during the minature NPC bug where the camera aims at the character's eye line. Lanniks are a short species which can speak basic perfectly and which would be perfect to have playable.

 

EXCEPT Height goes beyond just the Cinematics it also goes into Combat and stuff. Oh, and that was a BUG and that Bug caused them to be even smaller then that of Yoda's Species and Lanniks. So that isn't a valid excuse to include Short Species. Short Species would end up requiring custom Gear & Weapons, cause while (iirc) Blizz has the ability that has the Rocket Launcher come out you don't see him wielding BFG's. Short Species would also require Short Lightsaber Hilts, Customized BFG's, Customized Armor, and possibly even Customized Sniper Rifles and Customized Blaster Rifles. You want Lanniks to be playable, then if they were to become Troopers, Bounty Hunters, Imperial Agents, Force Users then they would require Customized Gear &/or Weapons.

 

So which would you rather they do, spend time on creating Customized Versions of already made stuff JUST for the Short Species or would rather they spend time continuing to create new Versions/Variations that fits the Normal Size Species and add Normal Sized Species to fit those? Maybe down the road, as a Side Project, it could be possible. But at the moment, and since there weren't any Short Species that were Playable from the beginning, in my opinion, it would be difficult to add them in after the fact.

 

Also, they've already stated, numerous times that any Playable Species HAS to be able to & WILL be speaking BASIC. So those that are unable to speak Basic won't be able to be made Playable, and before you point out the Jawa & Wookiee who spoke Basic or clear enough to be understood, which for all anyone knows as there is little proof to the contrary, was a Rarity amongst the Jawas and the Wookiee only spoke clear enough due to a Rare Speech Impediment which came at the cost of the Wookiee's native language, and like that one Jawa, could have been a Rare condition amongst the Wookiee population as there was only 1 Wookiee to have ever speak clear enough to be understood clearly without having to learn any of the Wookiee's 3 Languages.

Edited April 7, 2013 by Altyrell

[wadsfasdf]

Short Species would end up requiring custom Gear

 

They would require custom gear yes. However to offset the massive amount of gear that would have to be redrawn, the species could be restricted to certain classes. Or perhaps even more easily, restricted to certain types of armor. Only able to wear robes apposed to heavy plated armor etc.

 

I just think there are so many species opportunities to make the game a lot more customizable and player friendly. They haven't even scratched the surface.

[Vitas]

EXCEPT Height goes beyond just the Cinematics it also goes into Combat and stuff. Oh, and that was a BUG and that Bug caused them to be even smaller then that of Yoda's Species and Lanniks. So that isn't a valid excuse to include Short Species. Short Species would end up requiring custom Gear & Weapons, cause while (iirc) Blizz has the ability that has the Rocket Launcher come out you don't see him wielding BFG's. Short Species would also require Short Lightsaber Hilts, Customized BFG's, Customized Armor, and possibly even Customized Sniper Rifles and Customized Blaster Rifles. You want Lanniks to be playable, then if they were to become Troopers, Bounty Hunters, Imperial Agents, Force Users then they would require Customized Gear &/or Weapons.

 

So which would you rather they do, spend time on creating Customized Versions of already made stuff JUST for the Short Species or would rather they spend time continuing to create new Versions/Variations that fits the Normal Size Species and add Normal Sized Species to fit those? Maybe down the road, as a Side Project, it could be possible. But at the moment, and since there weren't any Short Species that were Playable from the beginning, in my opinion, it would be difficult to add them in after the fact.

 

Also, they've already stated, numerous times that any Playable Species HAS to be able to & WILL be speaking BASIC. So those that are unable to speak Basic won't be able to be made Playable, and before you point out the Jawa & Wookiee who spoke Basic or clear enough to be understood, which for all anyone knows as there is little proof to the contrary, was a Rarity amongst the Jawas and the Wookiee only spoke clear enough due to a Rare Speech Impediment which came at the cost of the Wookiee's native language, and like that one Jawa, could have been a Rare condition amongst the Wookiee population as there was only 1 Wookiee to have ever speak clear enough to be understood clearly without having to learn any of the Wookiee's 3 Languages.

 

Well with a lot of species they of course may have to alter the gear so it would properly appear on them. I'm not sure if they can but they could allow for gear to automatically resize when equiped to those certain species. They could introduce shoto lightsabers for small species to acquire. Sure they may've said for now that species who aren't able to speak basic is unlikely but it would possibly take less amount of work to substitute the player's dialogue with a species native language than comapred to retooling every piece of gear. I'm fully aware that the minature NPCS was a bug but it showed that the game camera was able to automatically adjust to the character's height except when it was in a fixed position.

 

I know Wookiees aren't able to speak and I never said they were able to apart from that one Wookiee with a speech impediment. Jawa's on the other hand are more debatable as shown here:

 

I don't think Jawas would however be able to use the current class stories due to their background and also the way they sound when speaking basic, but they could allow for a unique story for them which may alter slightly depending on their chosen class.

[Jossajus]

I don't think Jawas would however be able to use the current class stories due to their background and also the way they sound when speaking basic, but they could allow for a unique story for them which may alter slightly depending on their chosen class.

 

So you're saying that it would be feasible to ALTER the class storyline so that one could play a Jawa? If they were to do this I would prefer a new class altogether, without any new races.

[Vitas]

So you're saying that it would be feasible to ALTER the class storyline so that one could play a Jawa? If they were to do this I would prefer a new class altogether, without any new races.

 

Well what I meant for the Jawa was that no matter which class they could pick, they could have a unqiue story and depending on the chosen class, the story and outcome may alter. But of course there can be other alternatives as to how the Jawa's story can be dealt with as I'm just using that as one possibly feasible example. They could go out to change the current class stories so they could work around a Jawa but that may take a lot of work to do.

Edited April 8, 2013 by Vitas

[Arandariel]

I've been reading this post since a while now, and it strikes me: no one asked for Falleen?

Prince Xizor as most known Falleen (Black Sun leader), Thann Mithric (a Falleen Jedi Master), Natua Wan (Falleen Jedi Knight), Lord Xist (Black Sun Vigo), Darth Karrid (Falleen Sith, but the Darth should have given this away) to name a small group.

 

Falleen are Reptilian creatures that manipulate though feromones more than through the Force, a natural ability that, and I must say IMHO, could be a great add-on to the story line of SWTOR.

 

Why?

Well, no one wants to do something against his will, no?

Imagine an NPC forcing you to do just that (note: an NPC, not for players)...

Annoying... but such is life...

[gurneyslabb]

Torgruta wanted one since day one but happy with my twileks for the time beign two favourite species

[SladeRenegade]

I want to see Togruta as a playable race.

If they did add them, I'd like of see different styles of their "head tails" and horns. Something I'd like to see with the Twi'leks too... The near human playable races in this game, like so many others, have little options for crating a truly unique character.

 

While talking about updating current playable races... add another slider bar to pick other races to be a cyborg other then humans. And also let us pick cyborg bits that fit on the rest of the body, not just on the head and face.

[Izorii]

I would like to see more playable species but before the Dev's will add any more they have said they will release Cathar and if they sell think about more species. However they said this and a lot of people expected Cathar to have been released in 1.4 (or around that time) we are now coming upto 2.0 and they have not been officially annonced. Maybe they are holding them back for the barber shop, maybe the one temp they have set to build Cathar has left or maybe they will look to add more species than just Cathar who knows but until we hear more I am going to assume no new species till Cathar come out.

[Corellona]

I would LOVE to see at least the Nautolans and the Echani. They should not be that difficult as they are both humanoid and they already have Twi'lek models to build on for the Nautolans. As it has been mentioned there will probably still be the same helm issues but fun option.

[SladeRenegade]

Pretty sure Echani are baseline humans that just have lighter skin, hair and eye pigments, sounds to me like they are a full on sub-human race of albinos.

 

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Echani

The Echani had anatomy similar to humans, but a common feature was that they had light skin, white hair and silver eyes.

 

All those options are already there in the human choices... Even the Silver eyes, I just checked and yeah they have silver eyes selectable already.

[pim-baba]

I haven't seen anywhere the suggestion that Yoda or Master Vandars race should be a playable species