QBSlide Posted March 28, 2013 Posted March 28, 2013 I'm kind of venting here. I know I'll get the l2p noob and all that, but has anyone else had strings of bad luck in PvP? I do PvP every night (level 50) and I do four games a night. Well I haven't won a game in the past two days. Yes, I've lost eight matches in a row. Now I know I'm probably not the greatest PvPer out there, but even if I am below average, I'm just one out of eight people. Eventually you'd think I'd end up with a win. Think is the key word there. I don't know if we're just always bad, or we keep facing pre-mades (I did notice we were facing a lot of the same people each warzone). I don't mind losing at all, but when I never, ever win, it gets a little frustrating lol. Anyone else have a run of bad PvP like this before?
Pistols Posted March 28, 2013 Posted March 28, 2013 There is no constant when PUG'ing regular WZ's, it's always the roll of the dice. However, if you find you're grouping with the same peeps and they're just not getting it done, wait a few minutes before re-queue'ing up and see if you can pull a different group to PvP with. Or ask in Gen Chat if anyone would like to form a group for some PvP, usually this helps a lot.
sirullrich Posted March 28, 2013 Posted March 28, 2013 I'm kind of venting here. I know I'll get the l2p noob and all that, but has anyone else had strings of bad luck in PvP? I do PvP every night (level 50) and I do four games a night. Well I haven't won a game in the past two days. Yes, I've lost eight matches in a row. Now I know I'm probably not the greatest PvPer out there, but even if I am below average, I'm just one out of eight people. Eventually you'd think I'd end up with a win. Think is the key word there. I don't know if we're just always bad, or we keep facing pre-mades (I did notice we were facing a lot of the same people each warzone). I don't mind losing at all, but when I never, ever win, it gets a little frustrating lol. Anyone else have a run of bad PvP like this before? Dw man pistols is right it is the luck of the draw. Don't let it discourage you and continue to play.
Monterone Posted March 28, 2013 Posted March 28, 2013 (edited) Yes, it's completely random. If you play long enough you'll run into these long strings of losses. It's like flipping a coin and not expecting it to be heads 6 times in a row. The issue is gearing and the influx of new players into the 50s bracket. Gearing will get better in 2.0, but bad players won't. It's just bad luck to keep getting 4-5 worse people on your team than the other side. And even if you have 1 or 2 top notch players on your side, 3 of 4 derps can just annihilate your chances of winning. Edit: and what Pistols said. You have to learn how to queue dodge baddies on your own side. Go have a smoke and come back and re-queue. Edited March 28, 2013 by Monterone
WaldoA Posted March 28, 2013 Posted March 28, 2013 (edited) I'm kind of venting here. I know I'll get the l2p noob and all that, but has anyone else had strings of bad luck in PvP? I do PvP every night (level 50) and I do four games a night. Well I haven't won a game in the past two days. Yes, I've lost eight matches in a row. Now I know I'm probably not the greatest PvPer out there, but even if I am below average, I'm just one out of eight people. Eventually you'd think I'd end up with a win. Think is the key word there. I don't know if we're just always bad, or we keep facing pre-mades (I did notice we were facing a lot of the same people each warzone). I don't mind losing at all, but when I never, ever win, it gets a little frustrating lol. Anyone else have a run of bad PvP like this before? I would like to place a bet of 1 shilling that you are an imperial my good sir! Edited March 28, 2013 by WaldoA
Totaltrash Posted March 28, 2013 Posted March 28, 2013 I'm kind of venting here. I know I'll get the l2p noob and all that, but has anyone else had strings of bad luck in PvP? I do PvP every night (level 50) and I do four games a night. Well I haven't won a game in the past two days. Yes, I've lost eight matches in a row. Now I know I'm probably not the greatest PvPer out there, but even if I am below average, I'm just one out of eight people. Eventually you'd think I'd end up with a win. Think is the key word there. I don't know if we're just always bad, or we keep facing pre-mades (I did notice we were facing a lot of the same people each warzone). I don't mind losing at all, but when I never, ever win, it gets a little frustrating lol. Anyone else have a run of bad PvP like this before? No, it's not the luck of the draw nor completely random! I'm pvp'ing since launch on 4 different servers, and I found that each server has times when one side or the other dominates. If you queue during the wrong time window, you will have a hard time getting a win. It all depends on when the pre-mades are active, and to a lesser degree, on the quality of pug players. Best advice I can give you, experiment with the times you queue or join a premade yourself.
Pistols Posted March 28, 2013 Posted March 28, 2013 No, it's not the luck of the draw nor completely random! Actually, it is.
Totaltrash Posted March 28, 2013 Posted March 28, 2013 Actually, it is. You don't pvp enough or long enough.
Groncho Posted March 28, 2013 Posted March 28, 2013 You don't pvp enough or long enough. he does not i know that
Monterone Posted March 28, 2013 Posted March 28, 2013 You don't pvp enough or long enough. Other than controlling who you group up with yourself, all else is random. I don't see how you could think otherwise.
Pistols Posted March 28, 2013 Posted March 28, 2013 You don't pvp enough or long enough. Yeah, that seems legit.
Totaltrash Posted March 28, 2013 Posted March 28, 2013 Other than controlling who you group up with yourself, all else is random. I don't see how you could think otherwise. Alright, I explain. I pug a few 50 warzones Pub-side on Harbinger late nights. I see the same people every night, quality pugs on Pub-side, half-baked premades from bad guilds on Imp-side. Same names, same outcome for the last 6 months. I do the same on the The Bastion, but at different times. Even as a pug, I can finish my weekly in couple of days without trouble. Just recognize the pattern, nothing random about it.
Joesixxpack Posted March 28, 2013 Posted March 28, 2013 (edited) Other than controlling who you group up with yourself, all else is random. I don't see how you could think otherwise. Naw he and Pistols are both right, those are the best methods IMO. There're time patterns. Between these hours more kids are playing before bedtime. Or when F2PFest starts Fri-Sat, etc. A since-closed server I played on had a nice trend for Pubs for a few months. Weekdays about 9:30 PM loads of unguilded superstars would show up, destroy Imps embarassingly, and be gone before 10:30. Was weird but damn good for getting your daily done quick. Edited March 28, 2013 by Joesixxpack
Monterone Posted March 28, 2013 Posted March 28, 2013 (edited) Alright, I explain. I pug a few 50 warzones Pub-side on Harbinger late nights. I see the same people every night, quality pugs on Pub-side, half-baked premades from bad guilds on Imp-side. Same names, same outcome for the last 6 months. I do the same on the The Bastion, but at different times. Even as a pug, I can finish my weekly in couple of days without trouble. Just recognize the pattern, nothing random about it. I meant you can't control the outcome of the game unless you play ranked and pick your own team. The only way you have control is if you pick your own people. I understand what you're saying though, Pot5 is the same way. Until kids go to bed PvP quality is horrible, but later at night after about 10pm pacific, there are very few recruits and the quality picks up. However, even at that point it's completely random which team you end up on if you're pugging. One game with 7 good people, and the next with 7 bad -- the game picks randomly and you win or lose randomly, unless you're the one that can carry the team. Edit: I reread your post and I see the confusion. Pot5 is very Empire heavy, so we play each other a lot. For us it's all random since we just end up hurting each other in different group setups. You're in a situation like I was before Helm of Graush merged. Pub side had a couple of min/maxed groups that were running all day long, and they were the only thing running on the very lightly populated Pub side so you couldn't avoid them, which was very frustrating when imps still had people working on first tier of PvP gear. Edited March 28, 2013 by Monterone
Totaltrash Posted March 28, 2013 Posted March 28, 2013 I meant you can't control the outcome of the game unless you play ranked and pick your own team. The only way you have control is if you pick your own people. I understand what you're saying though, Pot5 is the same way. Until kids go to bed PvP quality is horrible, but later at night after about 10pm pacific, there are very few recruits and the quality picks up. However, even at that point it's completely random which team you end up on if you're pugging. One game with 7 good people, and the next with 7 bad -- the game picks randomly and you win or lose randomly, unless you're the one that can carry the team. Edit: I reread your post and I see the confusion. Pot5 is very Empire heavy, so we play each other a lot. For us it's all random since we just end up hurting each other in different group setups. You're in a situation like I was before Helm of Graush merged. Pub side had a couple of min/maxed groups that were running all day long, and they were the only thing running on the very lightly populated Pub side so you couldn't avoid them, which was very frustrating when imps still had people working on first tier of PvP gear. Well, the OP asks (if I understood him correctly) how to avoid long loss streaks. Sure, joining a premade is the best way to do it and I said so in my first reply. But if for some reason you have to/want to pug, servers have patterns and if you recognize them, things will be a lot easier for you. If you have a loop-sided server, naturally you will have a lot of same-faction warzones and they will be random. Nothing you can do about that. One of my first servers was like that, Imps outnumbering Pubs 3:1. But even then, there were patterns. Pubs had a very good premade which would run early afternoons, steamrolling anything Imp-side could muster. Naturally, if you are Imp, you wouldn't queue when they were active. And yes, I agree - prime-time is the worst time for pug pvp. The quality of the pugs is abysmal and many of the top premades are active to stomp them.
Pistols Posted March 28, 2013 Posted March 28, 2013 And yet, it is still luck of the draw and random. Minimizing the odds of a loss =/= controlled state.
Totaltrash Posted March 28, 2013 Posted March 28, 2013 And yet, it is still luck of the draw and random. Minimizing the odds of a loss =/= controlled state. I think minimizing failure is what the OP is looking for, don't you? There is no such thing as a guaranteed win, even with the best of premades.
Pistols Posted March 28, 2013 Posted March 28, 2013 I think minimizing failure is what the OP is looking for, don't you? There is no such thing as a guaranteed win, even with the best of premades. No, it's not the luck of the draw nor completely random! I'm glad you finally came to terms with yourself, lol. I think we both agree that there are ways to minimize losses in WZ's, but in the end, the only constant is random and luck of the draw.
cub-lover Posted March 28, 2013 Posted March 28, 2013 yet askign for a group for pvp on genral you either get ignored, or some oen out of your braket, though the funny oen i had was, people telling me to stop askign on a PVE server. My resposne was well ifi t's PVE then do people still pvp on a pve server?. to that they had no response
MandraMoody Posted March 28, 2013 Posted March 28, 2013 If you get the instant pop up the second you que in, chances are it's a back fill. Just decline and give it a few min.
Totaltrash Posted March 28, 2013 Posted March 28, 2013 I'm glad you finally came to terms with yourself, lol. I think we both agree that there are ways to minimize losses in WZ's, but in the end, the only constant is random and luck of the draw. I suggest you read my first reply again. I said it is not random, I never said it was completely predictable at all times. There is no constant when PUG'ing regular WZ's, it's always the roll of the dice. Which part of recognizing server patterns is a roll of the dice? Where is the randomness in that? One can only hope as you mature that both your reading skills and your cognitive abilities improve. If you get the instant pop up the second you que in, chances are it's a back fill. Just decline and give it a few min. Good suggestion, that's almost always true. Odds are that you are getting backfilling into a losing wz, not a winning one.
Tragamite Posted March 28, 2013 Posted March 28, 2013 I feel your pain I've gone 2 weeks without a victory before doing as many as 18 matches a day. Yes as an imperial and with multiple characters.
cub-lover Posted March 28, 2013 Posted March 28, 2013 I feel your pain I've gone 2 weeks without a victory before doing as many as 18 matches a day. Yes as an imperial and with multiple characters. your obivously on the red eclispe server, their needs to be a blue moon for imps to win at level 50 on that server
DarkPharohEclip Posted March 29, 2013 Posted March 29, 2013 I meant you can't control the outcome of the game unless you play ranked and pick your own team. The only way you have control is if you pick your own people. I understand what you're saying though, Pot5 is the same way. Until kids go to bed PvP quality is horrible, but later at night after about 10pm pacific, there are very few recruits and the quality picks up. However, even at that point it's completely random which team you end up on if you're pugging. One game with 7 good people, and the next with 7 bad -- the game picks randomly and you win or lose randomly, unless you're the one that can carry the team. Edit: I reread your post and I see the confusion. Pot5 is very Empire heavy, so we play each other a lot. For us it's all random since we just end up hurting each other in different group setups. You're in a situation like I was before Helm of Graush merged. Pub side had a couple of min/maxed groups that were running all day long, and they were the only thing running on the very lightly populated Pub side so you couldn't avoid them, which was very frustrating when imps still had people working on first tier of PvP gear. Has to be the other 7 people that are bad, couldn't possibly be you.
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