ataru Posted March 9, 2013 Share Posted March 9, 2013 Is anyone else sick of pre made groups being put up against groups of solo players? More than half the matches I play are increadibly lop sided because 1 team has a group of 4-8 ewh guys linked on vent or mumble and the other team is a buch of scrubs who can't comunicate. Things have gotten so much worse since free to play started because now it's usually a group of subscribers on a team set against a team of solo players who are mostly free to play. Why don't we have a Solo Que for only solo players? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seireeni Posted March 9, 2013 Share Posted March 9, 2013 Because many of us like to play with our friends. I don't like being beaten up by premades with good gear and tactic, but I can handle it if it's the only way to be able to play pvp with my friends. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SentinelDranoel Posted March 9, 2013 Share Posted March 9, 2013 Has bioware even said anything about this? It is not even a new issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koyaanisqat Posted March 9, 2013 Share Posted March 9, 2013 It is not an issue. fixed that for you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VigDiath Posted March 9, 2013 Share Posted March 9, 2013 It's an issue. The only people who disagree are those who queue with pre-mades. It would be nice if they only queued pre-mades against other pre-mades and solo queuers against others. Only makes sense to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PAMuttoni Posted March 9, 2013 Share Posted March 9, 2013 It's an issue. The only people who disagree are those who queue with pre-mades. It would be nice if they only queued pre-mades against other pre-mades and solo queuers against others. Only makes sense to me. This. It would make evryone happy. If there are no premade queues, then solo queue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mookind Posted March 9, 2013 Share Posted March 9, 2013 (edited) It's an issue. The only people who disagree are those who queue with pre-mades. It would be nice if they only queued pre-mades against other pre-mades and solo queuers against others. Only makes sense to me. lol the only people who want premades and solo quers separate is the people who get stomped. The reality is we don't have the population for it Would i prefer everyone i qued with was BiS min maxed with 3 buddies in a voice client? Of course. The real problem here is below average players. Not premades Good players will be asked to group and then join a premade if they weren't already. That is reality. The only people left out are poor pvpers that no one wants to group with Edited March 9, 2013 by Mookind Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HuaRya Posted March 9, 2013 Share Posted March 9, 2013 It's an issue. The only people who disagree are those who queue with pre-mades. It would be nice if they only queued pre-mades against other pre-mades and solo queuers against others. Only makes sense to me. This is exactly correct. Group ranked was made just for them but didn't produce the benefits of farming solo pugs of 14k-15k. There are so many premades on the pub side of Jedi Covenant that if you queue solo it takes three times as long as the almost solo queue pops on imp side. And get this. When you do get a pop when solo queuing on the pub side, 50% of the time it will be against another pub team which almost always has at least half a premade in it. You can't really blame the premades though. They've found the only way to thrive in a primitive matching system. A matching algorithm that doesn't take a players hit points, gear, or group size into consideration when placing on teams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pistols-GS Posted March 9, 2013 Share Posted March 9, 2013 Is anyone else sick of pre made groups being put up against groups of solo players? Nope, and that's from both sides of play for me. Doesn't bother me in the slightest. Why? Because premades =/= Automatic win. Shocking, I know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baktaro Posted March 9, 2013 Share Posted March 9, 2013 Something needs to be done. I have no problem with people pvping together with friends, and fighting "good" premades is great fun. However, the issue is not the premades but the mindset of those that solo queue. When I solo queue I noticed that when players see a note worthy premade often times players give up or start ************ which spreads to some members of the group and results in rage. It is hard to beat a team with coordination when your team is raging until they are blue in the face. So the issue is not the premades, but those that ***** about premades, however being that premades are the minority it may be wiser to either split the queue. Once again I have no problems with premades they make warzones fun, problem is quitters make warzones not so fun, but people quit because of premades most of the time. Either A) try to keep group levels around the same, warzone brackets may help in 2.0 B) Split the queue. C) Ignore faction based being as we are mirrors, split premade groups up when they get the 16 players and group up pubs and imps on the same team. You will still be playing with friends, but you may be fighting them sometimes. I wish things could stay the same, but i am sick of joining a warzone making and effort to come back just to see my ops chat filled with "gawd *********** premades" If I could I would remove solo queue from pvp, sadly that will not happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarthRaika Posted March 9, 2013 Share Posted March 9, 2013 I would just really love some premade matching, or split q, or anything at this point since lately maybe only 1 in 10 matches are nailbiters. The rest of the time I pretty much know who is going to win within a minute of the wz starting. I don't see how this can be great fun for anyone. When most people play basketball they don't go looking to play handicapped children. They go looking for even matches. That is what all of us should want. Pistols, you are a good player and I completely agree that premade doesn't equal a sure win but the point here I think is that many matches are extremely lopsided. So lets try to do what some other games have done and maybe we can have more even matches. It is not an argument over whether pugs can beat premades or not it is an issue about whether the current system promotes great matches or if there could be some improvements done to help make matches more fun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crujido Posted March 9, 2013 Share Posted March 9, 2013 So I should wait longer for my queue because I want to play with my friends? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
criminalheretic Posted March 9, 2013 Share Posted March 9, 2013 This is exactly correct. Group ranked was made just for them but didn't produce the benefits of farming solo pugs of 14k-15k. There are so many premades on the pub side of Jedi Covenant that if you queue solo it takes three times as long as the almost solo queue pops on imp side. And get this. When you do get a pop when solo queuing on the pub side, 50% of the time it will be against another pub team which almost always has at least half a premade in it. You can't really blame the premades though. They've found the only way to thrive in a primitive matching system. A matching algorithm that doesn't take a players hit points, gear, or group size into consideration when placing on teams. Stop wearing your "pre-made repellent armor" and you too can have a pre-made on your team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arlanon Posted March 9, 2013 Share Posted March 9, 2013 i solo queue as much, if not more, than premade que. it's not an issue. premades aren't ruining your warzones, YOU are. learn to play. seriously. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TonyDragonflame Posted March 9, 2013 Share Posted March 9, 2013 Is anyone else sick of pre made groups being put up against groups of solo players? More than half the matches I play are increadibly lop sided because 1 team has a group of 4-8 ewh guys linked on vent or mumble and the other team is a buch of scrubs who can't comunicate. Things have gotten so much worse since free to play started because now it's usually a group of subscribers on a team set against a team of solo players who are mostly free to play. Why don't we have a Solo Que for only solo players? Go in solo queue -> see premade -> /leave warzone its is not rocket science, its simply. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ifolad Posted March 9, 2013 Share Posted March 9, 2013 Some of the issue with people performing badly is crappy computers or old graphics cards (insert catch phrase here) Also, game stability has some to do with that. Not saying there are not bad players, not making excuses for them either... just saying, those people you see not attacking or not moving either A: are lagging out B: don't see the stealther that just uncloaked as said cloaker has not loaded in yet on the screen C: are acctually a new or not a strong pvper or... D: are afk ( we all know those emergency bio brks happen at the worst times sometimes ) some people find out the hard way that the FPS in warzones when you have a bare minimum computer leave something to be desired, in good time though it will improve. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
criminalheretic Posted March 9, 2013 Share Posted March 9, 2013 Go in solo queue -> see premade -> /leave warzone its is not rocket science, its simply. ^^^ This. (And worth mentioning that this might be the 1st time ever that I have agreed with Mr. Dragonflame) While I vehemently argue against separating PuGs and Premades for the sake of queue times, I do not for a second suggest that people have any obligation whatsoever, to sit there and get rolled. Quit. Please. As long as I get my comms and credit towards my weekly, I don't need to deathmatch people with 14k hp for 10 minutes. Contrary to popular belief, a lot of good PvPers would rather face premades, but we also want to grind gear and weekly quests, and we just don't think we should be punished with longer queue times for being good. So if I have to deal with a few WZs that end in 3 minutes, that's only fair. My only caveat would be, if you find yourself quitting 10-15 matches in a row to dodge premades, then accept the fact that you are in the minority, and you should seriously start looking for a group. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarthRaika Posted March 9, 2013 Share Posted March 9, 2013 Criminal it is important to realize that if you solo q only you will most likely end up on premades less often than against them. This was always the case but it is even worse now due to backfilling. I'm really not trying to argue anything besides that point with this post. I think it is important we all realize this simple fact if we want to have any real discussion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Briggs_Knightly Posted March 10, 2013 Share Posted March 10, 2013 My only caveat would be, if you find yourself quitting 10-15 matches in a row to dodge premades, then accept the fact that you are in the minority, and you should seriously start looking for a group. I would edit this to say ...you should seriously start looking for a NEW GAME. EA does not care 1 single bit about players ability to find enjoyable PVP matches. They have ignored the call of solo Q'ers are are continually losing player base because of this. I am a strong PVP player but choose to solo Q. 80% or more of my WZs are completely lopsided. I probably win 40% or more but lopsided is not fun for either side. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pistols-GS Posted March 10, 2013 Share Posted March 10, 2013 (edited) I would edit this to say ...you should seriously start looking for a NEW GAME. EA does not care 1 single bit about players ability to find enjoyable PVP matches. They have ignored the call of solo Q'ers are are continually losing player base because of this. I am a strong PVP player but choose to solo Q. 80% or more of my WZs are completely lopsided. I probably win 40% or more but lopsided is not fun for either side. Game is working as intended with PvP groups; players who queue solo and whine about it are not working as intended via the MMO setting. Simple. Edited March 10, 2013 by Pistols-GS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arkerus Posted March 10, 2013 Share Posted March 10, 2013 So I should wait longer for my queue because I want to play with my friends? Yes. It worked just fine in other games. A group of 4 needs to be funneled into their own queue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mulzii Posted March 10, 2013 Share Posted March 10, 2013 i solo queue as much, if not more, than premade que. it's not an issue. premades aren't ruining your warzones, YOU are. learn to play. seriously. I too mainly solo queue. However, the premade v pug argument is very rarely about skill. Puggers have just as much skill as the premades in general (yes, a ranked premade team may decide to romp through the pug queues, but its not as common). No, the advantage is the out of game communication like vent. No matter what people say to try to downplay that advantage, it is HUGE. The ability to fight and call out incomings, plan a coordinated strategy in huttball or focus targets at the same time and not stoppping to type in chat is massive. Also, you'll find that while puggers will call out incomings, they cannot stop and type out who to focus, when the vent folks can just speak it out instantly without even stopping to fight. You can waste 1-3 CDs just calling an inc while someone is beating on you as a pugger. premades dont have that disadvantage. Its not a l2p thing. Its an advantage a premade has in WZs that can be alleviated by matching them with other premades. Or, in my opinion, keep it the way it is, and either increase the puggers rewards for win or lose when facing a premade, or decreasing the premades rewards (or even bolster their stats down) to compensate the advantage premades have in the WZ. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slicktime Posted March 10, 2013 Share Posted March 10, 2013 (edited) Yes. It worked just fine in other games. A group of 4 needs to be funneled into their own queue. lol people like that are funny. let them keep going in with pugs and let them keep killing the game. i guarantee the game makes more money off casual gamers than the ones that go premades all the time to roll pugs. Edited March 10, 2013 by Slicktime Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daveyggg Posted March 10, 2013 Share Posted March 10, 2013 I too mainly solo queue. However, the premade v pug argument is very rarely about skill. Puggers have just as much skill as the premades in general (yes, a ranked premade team may decide to romp through the pug queues, but its not as common). No, the advantage is the out of game communication like vent. No matter what people say to try to downplay that advantage, it is HUGE. The ability to fight and call out incomings, plan a coordinated strategy in huttball or focus targets at the same time and not stoppping to type in chat is massive. Also, you'll find that while puggers will call out incomings, they cannot stop and type out who to focus, when the vent folks can just speak it out instantly without even stopping to fight. You can waste 1-3 CDs just calling an inc while someone is beating on you as a pugger. premades dont have that disadvantage. Its not a l2p thing. Its an advantage a premade has in WZs that can be alleviated by matching them with other premades. Or, in my opinion, keep it the way it is, and either increase the puggers rewards for win or lose when facing a premade, or decreasing the premades rewards (or even bolster their stats down) to compensate the advantage premades have in the WZ. I'm sorry but when my guild is using voice chat during regular warzones the rarest thing we talk about is strats and focus targets. Most of the conversation is random ******** about nothing. Also to say premade v pug is rarely about skill is laughable too. We end up doing warzones with gimp specs/no specs/only backpedalling/first person mode and walking and still win and top leaderboards. There is not much more advantage we can give you aside from standing afk but I fear we'd still win some matches that way. Oh and the next person to type 'why don't you go queue for ranked' at 5am on a Tuesday morning I swear to god somebody's gunna get a hurt real bad. (Disclaimer: this is not a real threat so please don't yell at me Bioware.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jedimasterjac Posted March 10, 2013 Share Posted March 10, 2013 I suck at PvP. I'm only good with premades.. But I don't run with premades often. Premades aren't am issue if you have half a npbrain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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