Andryah Posted March 4, 2013 Share Posted March 4, 2013 Actually it wouldnt need to be completely global chat channel. It could be a chat channel between the fleet and a certain area of the capital world where the vendors are. You could even have a direct teleporting system between them (like orgrimmar and stormwind, but quicker). And to remove annoying load times when moving between them, that area could actually be a part of the fleet, so that when a player from another area of the capital world comes to the hub area, he would have the loading screen. To make players move between them more, not all the important vendors would need to be in the same hub. And if one day they introduce swoop racing and pazaak, players would move between them even more. I was not an early beta tester, but I seem to recall beta testers saying that the game used to have all the key hub inducing stuff (like GTN, terminals for ops, etc.) on every planet and that they late in beta changed this. Personally, I think forcing a central hub somewhere in the game is good as it brings people to a central gathering point. Since planets are all pretty much level driven, and players of all levels (after the starter planets) would need access to centralized content it makes sense that they made the hub a fleet that is not part of any planet. You are portaling everywhere in this game anyway, so I really don't see what the issue is that some people have with Biowares decisions here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HakkaP Posted March 4, 2013 Share Posted March 4, 2013 I was not an early beta tester, but I seem to recall beta testers saying that the game used to have all the key hub inducing stuff (like GTN, terminals for ops, etc.) on every planet and that they late in beta changed this. Personally, I think forcing a central hub somewhere in the game is good as it brings people to a central gathering point. Since planets are all pretty much level driven, and players of all levels (after the starter planets) would need access to centralized content it makes sense that they made the hub a fleet that is not part of any planet. You are portaling everywhere in this game anyway, so I really don't see what the issue is that some people have with Biowares decisions here. Well my point was that there would still be only one hub. The hub would be the fleet/capital city connected together. The fleet is not that bad for me. At first it actually reminded me of babylon 5 for some reason. Still in the long run it gets lame and too small. You fly through it like in 5 seconds and its a perfect circle without any variety. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saremun Posted March 4, 2013 Share Posted March 4, 2013 (edited) see in any MMO i played when they release a new expansion the main/Capital city is changed to the new area, now if BW release the ROTHC with the fleet as the main Hub AGAIN then that means we have spent more than a year in the Same Dame place with the same look and all. changing the central of the game to another place is great cause players feel something new happened but not spending another whole freaking year on the same Space station! Edited March 4, 2013 by saremun Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andryah Posted March 4, 2013 Share Posted March 4, 2013 changing the central of the game to another place is great cause players feel something new happened but not spending another whole freaking year on the same Space station! Hehe... sounds like you need to get out more. Yeah, some people like it when an MMO does this. Yet if we take the gold standard some people declare for MMOs (WoW) the developers decided it was bad in the long run and went back and repurposed the original capital cities as hubs. Personally, I don't really care as long as the hub is easy to get to AND easy to avoid. I keep my GTN mules in Nar Shadaa (becuase I like it there) and I only visit the fleets when I actually need to connect with other players to socialize or organize an op (which frankly is not often as that is what guilds are for IMO). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saremun Posted March 4, 2013 Share Posted March 4, 2013 (edited) Yeah, some people like it when an MMO does this. Yet if we take the gold standard some people declare for MMOs (WoW) the developers decided it was bad in the long run and went back and repurposed the original capital cities as hubs. How it is bad? Edited March 4, 2013 by saremun Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aramyth Posted March 4, 2013 Share Posted March 4, 2013 They should make Makeb the new general hub. The fleets stink. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arkerus Posted March 4, 2013 Share Posted March 4, 2013 I hope they change it so we can have Coruscant and Dromund Kaas as main hub for all players, PLEASE do it BW! What difference does it make? It makes zero difference what the main hub is. There is nothing on coruscant that says "here is where the players belong". As it stands now, most FPs and OPs launch from the fleet so that is where the main hub of players should be. Its not like the game is dying because Coruscant isn't the master planet. No one quit who said "oh Gosh Darnit, I would keep playing if Coruscant was the main player hub". If anything the game is doing better than its ever done before (not counting subs bought at launch). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lium Posted March 5, 2013 Author Share Posted March 5, 2013 These are primary planets for leveling for low level characters on each faction. I personally do not want to see them over-run by level 50s who have too much time on their hands and are bored. They will get into mischief and end up creating grief for the leveling players IMO. I keep seeing this and I'm baffled how you guys come to that conclusion. In WoW, the capital cities and main hubs for each faction are Stormwind and Orgrimmar. Both are in low level zones where new characters have to quest a lot before leveling out and going someplace else. There is zero issue with level 90 toons causing trouble for low level characters. Even on PvP servers, these zones are faction specific territory, which means lowbies are not flagged and are safe from being griefed. So, I just don't get where you guys are getting this from. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FeelFlow Posted March 5, 2013 Share Posted March 5, 2013 I have to admit, I really don't like Fleet - on either faction. Having a hub in space is actually a cool idea. It just doesn't work! If Fleet was more like Cloud City that would be very cool - right now it's just boring. I do appreciate that the load times are less and I do appreciate that you can get around it easily (as it's basically a wheel with spokes). But it's just not an enjoyable place to spend time and a MMO social hub should be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobaScott Posted March 5, 2013 Share Posted March 5, 2013 Galaxy wide chat or, at he very least, level 50+ chat would solve a lot of this. If I could listen/talk only to those seeking end game functions while I go wherever and do whatever, that would be incredible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stenrik Posted March 5, 2013 Share Posted March 5, 2013 Galaxy wide chat or, at he very least, level 50+ chat would solve a lot of this. If I could listen/talk only to those seeking end game functions while I go wherever and do whatever, that would be incredible. Yes that's an elegant solution. Why isn't there an "official" 50 chat channel? Yeah, I know people can make custom channels, but a lot of players don't even know how to use them, lol... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saremun Posted March 5, 2013 Share Posted March 5, 2013 What difference does it make? It makes zero difference what the main hub is. There is nothing on coruscant that says "here is where the players belong". As it stands now, most FPs and OPs launch from the fleet so that is where the main hub of players should be. Its not like the game is dying because Coruscant isn't the master planet. No one quit who said "oh Gosh Darnit, I would keep playing if Coruscant was the main player hub". If anything the game is doing better than its ever done before (not counting subs bought at launch). hmmm i know someone who quite the game and one of the reasons is the fleet as a Hub, it wasn't a main reason but still one of them. an yeah it makes a BIG different, we saw, heared and dreamed if playing in Corucsant from a long time and as they announced the release the first thing we thought of is Corucsant, so why would we choose the fleet instead of Corucsant? it doesn't make a difference for you but it does for at least 7 person whom i talked to and met in game and other games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soapland Posted March 5, 2013 Share Posted March 5, 2013 This seems like a very good idea. Maybe in future bioware will move all the daily stations to the capital world as well. The fleet does feel kinda boring to be on after a while. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JepFareborn Posted March 5, 2013 Share Posted March 5, 2013 It's all about the LOAD TIMES, people! You all seem to be forgetting that. When you are in fleet, it takes less time to load up a FP or Warzone or instance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackardin Posted March 5, 2013 Share Posted March 5, 2013 Please no. It'll make gen chat on the main hub a giant spamfest, constantly, and new players wouldn't be able to find groups for any content - let alone the 50s wanting to find groups for same. If you want to hang out on the capital world, you're free to do so. I'm sure I'm not the only person who doesn't want to page through thirty-five "LF FRIENDS OF OLD" or "LF FACE MERCHANTS" to say nothing of "how do I get my ship" or "how do I get a speeder" x 30 to find the one person looking for Lost Island or for a pug op. Not only that, but load times and lag would be horrendous. even worse then at fleet. Sometimes people do not think through their opinions beyond, "I would like". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aelther Posted March 5, 2013 Share Posted March 5, 2013 I hope they change it so we can have Coruscant and Dromund Kaas as main hub for all players, PLEASE do it BW! Well just go there and let other stay in fleets if they want to. You gave gtn, mailboxes, shops and so on on capitals as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drudenfusz Posted March 5, 2013 Share Posted March 5, 2013 Please no. It'll make gen chat on the main hub a giant spamfest, constantly, and new players wouldn't be able to find groups for any content - let alone the 50s wanting to find groups for same. If you want to hang out on the capital world, you're free to do so. I'm sure I'm not the only person who doesn't want to page through thirty-five "LF FRIENDS OF OLD" or "LF FACE MERCHANTS" to say nothing of "how do I get my ship" or "how do I get a speeder" x 30 to find the one person looking for Lost Island or for a pug op. If that's the whole issue you have, then here the simple solution, make it an instance like Section X on Belsavis or the Black Hole on Correlia where the head quarters of the factions are, so that would be where the level 50s hang out, so it would have the planetary feel, but would still be apart from the low level questing area. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hovergame Posted March 5, 2013 Share Posted March 5, 2013 see in any MMO i played when they release a new expansion the main/Capital city is changed to the new area, now if BW release the ROTHC with the fleet as the main Hub AGAIN then that means we have spent more than a year in the Same Dame place with the same look and all. WOW isn't the only MMO in the World, and you probably never played the vast majority of them. Example ? Ragnarok Online, the Capital was Prontera for ages, expansion after expansion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master-Nala Posted March 5, 2013 Share Posted March 5, 2013 It would be better if they just added global chat channels and then added all services to all planets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sentinel-Jordal Posted March 5, 2013 Share Posted March 5, 2013 The only thing I do not like about the Fleet is the Lag that many of us can experience there. It is not just limited to those with lower end PC's as many with really good PC's have issues there as well. They just need to fix that. If they fixed it I would actually go there more often. Currently though I stay away from the Fleet like the plague. I am not sure I would even visit it much if I was back home with my DeskTop gaming PC. I will say that I do like the Planets better than the Fleet, just do to the way they look. It is much more pleasing to hang out at than some small Space Station. I just wish that there was a reason to visit the older lower level planets. The only older planets I do go back to visit now with my Level 50 alt is Coruscant or Nar Shaddaa, and that is just to use the GTN. Other than that, I really do not see any other reason to visit them. I pretty much stay around Belsavis. The only reason I am on Voss is do to the fact that I am finishing my 3rd Chapter. I really wish that Each Planet had content at All Levels instead of just being Separated by Levels. Maybe in the future they will add New Areas to all of the planets where higher level content could be so that we have a better reason to go back to them. This Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sentinel-Jordal Posted March 5, 2013 Share Posted March 5, 2013 Well just go there and let other stay in fleets if they want to. You gave gtn, mailboxes, shops and so on on capitals as well. But unfortunately not the chat.. so if you want to trade/sell to lvl 50s and look for groups to do ops, fp with you have to hang around at the metal circle from outer space... If BW could split the chat into lvl 1-49 and lvl 50 having the capital planet as the main hub could work... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andryah Posted March 5, 2013 Share Posted March 5, 2013 (edited) Not only that, but load times and lag would be horrendous. even worse then at fleet. Sometimes people do not think through their opinions beyond, "I would like". /agree A lot of people really don't think past their own personal desires. Now, if they did actually make the capital cities the central hubs, it would change nothing except lengthen the load times for players (compared to fleet) and lag up the capital cities which were actually designed to be low level zones NOT actual central hubs. It's clear from the way they are designed that they were not meant to be hubs. The 50s would still be complaining and the level appropriate characters will be griefed by over-population. Be happy that they have GTNs and personal storage on them. If I am leveling a new character I really don't need to be trying to wade through a hundred level 50s in that little cantina on Coruscant under the Senate complex. The GTN and storage vault area is crowded enough as it is just with level appropriate characters around them. Edited March 5, 2013 by Andryah Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarthTHC Posted March 5, 2013 Share Posted March 5, 2013 But unfortunately not the chat.. so if you want to trade/sell to lvl 50s and look for groups to do ops, fp with you have to hang around at the metal circle from outer space... If BW could split the chat into lvl 1-49 and lvl 50 having the capital planet as the main hub could work... If you want to trade/sell to level 50's you could post items on the GTN. If you want to look for (story mode) ops and flash points, you could use the group finder tool. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lium Posted March 5, 2013 Author Share Posted March 5, 2013 /agree A lot of people really don't think past their own personal desires. Now, if they did actually make the capital cities the central hubs, it would change nothing except lengthen the load times for players (compared to fleet) and lag up the capital cities which were actually designed to be low level zones NOT actual central hubs. It's clear from the way they are designed that they were not meant to be hubs. The 50s would still be complaining and the level appropriate characters will be griefed by over-population. Be happy that they have GTNs and personal storage on them. If I am leveling a new character I really don't need to be trying to wade through a hundred level 50s in that little cantina on Coruscant under the Senate complex. The GTN and storage vault area is crowded enough as it is just with level appropriate characters around them. Reposting this from earlier in the thread: I keep seeing this and I'm baffled how you guys come to that conclusion. In WoW, the capital cities and main hubs for each faction are Stormwind and Orgrimmar. Both are in low level zones where new characters have to quest a lot before leveling out and going someplace else. There is zero issue with level 90 toons causing trouble for low level characters. Even on PvP servers, these zones are faction specific territory, which means lowbies are not flagged and are safe from being griefed. So, I just don't get where you guys are getting this from. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arkerus Posted March 5, 2013 Share Posted March 5, 2013 (edited) hmmm i know someone who quite the game and one of the reasons is the fleet as a Hub, it wasn't a main reason but still one of them. an yeah it makes a BIG different, we saw, heared and dreamed if playing in Corucsant from a long time and as they announced the release the first thing we thought of is Corucsant, so why would we choose the fleet instead of Corucsant? it doesn't make a difference for you but it does for at least 7 person whom i talked to and met in game and other games. Thanks for the anecdotes. They mean nothing. NO one is quitting strictly over the fleet. That would be absurd and if they did, good riddance. The fleet didn't even exist in early beta but the player base complained there was no central meeting point... Voila...the fleet. Get over it. (Now if they moved all the FP and OPs entry points to Coruscant then by all means, move the central point to Coruscant.) Edited March 5, 2013 by Arkerus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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