Lium Posted March 4, 2013 Share Posted March 4, 2013 As the main population centers as opposed to the capital planets which have more variety and individuality and make you feel like you are actually in a faction specific environment? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genuine Posted March 4, 2013 Share Posted March 4, 2013 (edited) because that was where the flash point missions are and we have not always had the group finder it is also where the weeklys get picked up i'm sure there are more Edited March 4, 2013 by Genuine Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saremun Posted March 4, 2013 Share Posted March 4, 2013 I hope they change it so we can have Coruscant and Dromund Kaas as main hub for all players, PLEASE do it BW! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SturmUndSterne Posted March 4, 2013 Share Posted March 4, 2013 I hope they change it so we can have Coruscant and Dromund Kaas as main hub for all players, PLEASE do it BW! Please no. It'll make gen chat on the main hub a giant spamfest, constantly, and new players wouldn't be able to find groups for any content - let alone the 50s wanting to find groups for same. If you want to hang out on the capital world, you're free to do so. I'm sure I'm not the only person who doesn't want to page through thirty-five "LF FRIENDS OF OLD" or "LF FACE MERCHANTS" to say nothing of "how do I get my ship" or "how do I get a speeder" x 30 to find the one person looking for Lost Island or for a pug op. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ilysanth Posted March 4, 2013 Share Posted March 4, 2013 I think the decision had something to do with the capital worlds being quest worlds and very early on. The populations on those planets were expected to be high in the beginning so adding an even higher population as a "core" stop for EVERYONE at all levels would have been difficult and cluttered. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marak Posted March 4, 2013 Share Posted March 4, 2013 I really do hope they move us off the fleet at some point. It's so uninspired to stand around in a big circle waiting on things. Or at the very least they need to find a way to get us interacting even in "idle time" like minigames or some other socially inspired thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarthTHC Posted March 4, 2013 Share Posted March 4, 2013 During game test, the capital worlds were supposed to be the hubs. That didn't work out so well for a variety of reasons so BioWare created the fleet stations. Why didn't they work out so well? Memory's foggy there. I think it had a lot to do with the game guiding players around to so many different planets most would never come back to the capital worlds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrSchmo Posted March 4, 2013 Share Posted March 4, 2013 Beta players didn't like the worlds as a hub. So they made the fleets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stenrik Posted March 4, 2013 Share Posted March 4, 2013 (edited) Simple... less load times and better performance. No fancy atmospheres or geometry heavy plants, or unnecessary space/geometry in general. I think we need to keep fleets so that every single time we exit a warzone, we don't have to wait forever and a day. I'd rather just see them redesign fleets to look better, than move us to capital worlds. Actually, the ultimate solution would be to add the same PVE/PVP gear vendors, as well as guild banks and all the other fleet stuff to capital worlds, so that people have a CHOICE. However, I can only see this happening with a global chat channel. Edited March 4, 2013 by Stenrik Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saremun Posted March 4, 2013 Share Posted March 4, 2013 Please no. It'll make gen chat on the main hub a giant spamfest, constantly, and new players wouldn't be able to find groups for any content - let alone the 50s wanting to find groups for same. If you want to hang out on the capital world, you're free to do so. I'm sure I'm not the only person who doesn't want to page through thirty-five "LF FRIENDS OF OLD" or "LF FACE MERCHANTS" to say nothing of "how do I get my ship" or "how do I get a speeder" x 30 to find the one person looking for Lost Island or for a pug op. its just the same as saying that the world PVP is perfect and if you want world PVP then go get it, its really ridiculous just spending the whole time in place like the fleet, oh wait you will say now " well leave the fleet and you are free to do so" hmm not really cause everything is on the fleet including trade, PVP armor etc... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saremun Posted March 4, 2013 Share Posted March 4, 2013 Actually, the ultimate solution would be to add the same PVE/PVP gear vendors, as well as guild banks and all the other fleet stuff to capital worlds, so that people have a CHOICE. However, I can only see this happening with a global chat channel. i Fully agree with that, that would work like a charm because iam the first who will leave the fleet to spend the time in the Capital world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merouk Posted March 4, 2013 Share Posted March 4, 2013 If you download a memory chart app to your computer, the planets take, on average, 1+ GB, and the fleet only 400k, so the fleet loads MUCH faster. In addition, there's no grass, there are no trees (the holo trees are much less "detailed" and "realistic" and thus consume less graphics power), and there are no unnecessary things such as critters roaming around, NPC vehicles flying all over the place, animated water, etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommot Posted March 4, 2013 Share Posted March 4, 2013 Please no. It'll make gen chat on the main hub a giant spamfest, constantly, and new players wouldn't be able to find groups for any content - let alone the 50s wanting to find groups for same. If you want to hang out on the capital world, you're free to do so. I'm sure I'm not the only person who doesn't want to page through thirty-five "LF FRIENDS OF OLD" or "LF FACE MERCHANTS" to say nothing of "how do I get my ship" or "how do I get a speeder" x 30 to find the one person looking for Lost Island or for a pug op. They could have just split the capital worlds up to have two separate instances. Would work exactly the same way it does right now (with one instance for the meeting place, and another for the capital world), except the surroundings and atmosphere would be better/more immersive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AsheraII Posted March 4, 2013 Share Posted March 4, 2013 1) The "main social hub" is whatever the community makes of it. The fleet is definitely slightly more convenient than either Coruscant or Dromund Kaas, most of the regularly used features found on the fleet are actually available on those two as well. 2) I'm certainly GLAD myself that the community decided to make the fleets the social hubs. Every tried jumping pipelines to get some datacron on a laggy server? Coruscant is already bad enough for that, but gladly it's still doable outside peak hours. If Coruscant turned into a main hub, it'd become nearly impossible to make some of those jumps, especially the track in The Works would be a major pain then, with half your jumps registering late or simply not registering at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lium Posted March 4, 2013 Author Share Posted March 4, 2013 Beta players didn't like the worlds as a hub. So they made the fleets. ???!!!!! Is that true?!?!? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarthTHC Posted March 4, 2013 Share Posted March 4, 2013 ???!!!!! Is that true?!?!? Probably less "like" and more "use", but yeah. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarbNull Posted March 4, 2013 Share Posted March 4, 2013 The only thing I do not like about the Fleet is the Lag that many of us can experience there. It is not just limited to those with lower end PC's as many with really good PC's have issues there as well. They just need to fix that. If they fixed it I would actually go there more often. Currently though I stay away from the Fleet like the plague. I am not sure I would even visit it much if I was back home with my DeskTop gaming PC. I will say that I do like the Planets better than the Fleet, just do to the way they look. It is much more pleasing to hang out at than some small Space Station. I just wish that there was a reason to visit the older lower level planets. The only older planets I do go back to visit now with my Level 50 alt is Coruscant or Nar Shaddaa, and that is just to use the GTN. Other than that, I really do not see any other reason to visit them. I pretty much stay around Belsavis. The only reason I am on Voss is do to the fact that I am finishing my 3rd Chapter. I really wish that Each Planet had content at All Levels instead of just being Separated by Levels. Maybe in the future they will add New Areas to all of the planets where higher level content could be so that we have a better reason to go back to them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eillack Posted March 4, 2013 Share Posted March 4, 2013 (edited) I hope they change it so we can have Coruscant and Dromund Kaas as main hub for all players, PLEASE do it BW! The game couldn't handle this so BW changed it / nice amount of beta players didn't like BW's implementation of it. It was a tad crazy tbh. Edited March 4, 2013 by Eillack Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uziforyou Posted March 4, 2013 Share Posted March 4, 2013 I really do hope they move us off the fleet at some point. It's so uninspired to stand around in a big circle waiting on things. Or at the very least they need to find a way to get us interacting even in "idle time" like minigames or some other socially inspired thing. This would not change if the capital planets were the main hub. People would still be standing around the same places in circles. The only difference would be for players actually trying to do missions on those planets. It would be horrid because of all the chat spam as others have mentioned. And that isn't the only problem it would produce as you can guarantee the level 50 players would run around killing mission mobs etc. to 'have fun' with the lowbies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lium Posted March 4, 2013 Author Share Posted March 4, 2013 Probably less "like" and more "use", but yeah. Well, I wasn't around in beta so I'm just going to have to assume the beta testers had good reason for recommending BW put the entire population in grey, lifeless homogenous fleets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarthTHC Posted March 4, 2013 Share Posted March 4, 2013 Well, I wasn't around in beta so I'm just going to have to assume the beta testers had good reason for recommending BW put the entire population in grey, lifeless homogenous fleets. I don't think anyone recommended that, specifically. The feedback given, both verbally and via play, was that the capital worlds didn't work so well as hubs. The developers produced their own alternatives from there. Think about it - how often do we see our requests, or anythng even close to them, implemented in the game today? Back in game test, the developers were even LESS likely to take direct player feedback, though they did rely heavily on analyzing the telemetry data the game produced. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saremun Posted March 4, 2013 Share Posted March 4, 2013 1) The "main social hub" is whatever the community makes of it. The fleet is definitely slightly more convenient than either Coruscant or Dromund Kaas, most of the regularly used features found on the fleet are actually available on those two as well. 2) I'm certainly GLAD myself that the community decided to make the fleets the social hubs. Every tried jumping pipelines to get some datacron on a laggy server? Coruscant is already bad enough for that, but gladly it's still doable outside peak hours. If Coruscant turned into a main hub, it'd become nearly impossible to make some of those jumps, especially the track in The Works would be a major pain then, with half your jumps registering late or simply not registering at all. WE didn't choose, we are forced to use the fleet cause EVERYTHING is on the fleet like the armor vendors and mission terminals etc... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andryah Posted March 4, 2013 Share Posted March 4, 2013 I hope they change it so we can have Coruscant and Dromund Kaas as main hub for all players, PLEASE do it BW! These are primary planets for leveling for low level characters on each faction. I personally do not want to see them over-run by level 50s who have too much time on their hands and are bored. They will get into mischief and end up creating grief for the leveling players IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CosmicKat Posted March 4, 2013 Share Posted March 4, 2013 Every planet in the game is a "snapshot in time" that does not necessarily exist at the same time as any other planet. This is the design path they chose for the linear, story-based gameplay. A planetary hub would make sense for an open-universe MMO, but it does not make sense for a linear, story-based game. Implementing planetary hubs would highlight this absurdity in design, whereas the fleets are sort of OOC portals that exist outside the universe. It's a less obvious absurdity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HakkaP Posted March 4, 2013 Share Posted March 4, 2013 (edited) Actually, the ultimate solution would be to add the same PVE/PVP gear vendors, as well as guild banks and all the other fleet stuff to capital worlds, so that people have a CHOICE. However, I can only see this happening with a global chat channel. Actually it wouldnt need to be completely global chat channel. It could be a chat channel between the fleet and a certain area of the capital world where the vendors are. You could even have a direct teleporting system between them (like stormwind and ironforge, but quicker). And to remove annoying load times when moving between them, that area could actually be a part of the fleet, so that when a player from another area of the capital world comes to the hub area, he would have the loading screen. To make players move between them more, not all the important vendors would need to be in the same hub. And if one day they introduce swoop racing and pazaak, players would move between them even more. Edited March 4, 2013 by HakkaP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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