Rendynn Posted December 14, 2011 Share Posted December 14, 2011 First off, I love the guide Second, Shaclad I read your post and I have to disagree. Assuming a lvl 50 Sith Assassin got 10.000 health, the 2 points in "Shroud of Darkness" you'd gain from removing the points in "Swelling Shadows" would equal to 200 health. That's not a lot of health gained, and I believe that (when doing the math) it's a bad tradeoff. Not sure about it though, just a hunch! "Force Speed" is on a 20 sec CD talented, the "Unbreakable Will" is on a 2 min CD, so the "Disjunction" talent aren't wasted. Furthermore, the "Force Shroud" aren't limited to stealth only as far as I could see on [Torhead, it just doesn't break stealth. You also mention removing the points from "Harnessed Darkness", a mistake in my mind. The "Force Lightning" ticks 3 times, and with the talent it can't be interrupted and heals for 3% for each tick, that's a 9% heal costing 30 force. Lastly, "Spike" is an ability with a 2 seconds duration, and a 30 seconds CD, so while the 9% increased damage from "Nerve Wracking" is amazing, then keep in mind that your teammates in the flashpoints/operations can only get 1 ability off in that period (or, with amazing timing, 2). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kizah Posted December 14, 2011 Share Posted December 14, 2011 Very nice guide, now I have to decide between Madness or Deception for my Flashpoint/Operation DPS >.< Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaclad Posted December 14, 2011 Share Posted December 14, 2011 First off, I love the guide Second, Shaclad I read your post and I have to disagree. Assuming a lvl 50 Sith Assassin got 10.000 health, the 2 points in "Shroud of Darkness" you'd gain from removing the points in "Swelling Shadows" would equal to 200 health. That's not a lot of health gained, and I believe that (when doing the math) it's a bad tradeoff. Not sure about it though, just a hunch! "Force Speed" is on a 20 sec CD talented, the "Unbreakable Will" is on a 2 min CD, so the "Disjunction" talent aren't wasted. Furthermore, the "Force Shroud" aren't limited to stealth only as far as I could see on [Torhead, it just doesn't break stealth. You also mention removing the points from "Harnessed Darkness", a mistake in my mind. The "Force Lightning" ticks 3 times, and with the talent it can't be interrupted and heals for 3% for each tick, that's a 9% heal costing 30 force. Lastly, "Spike" is an ability with a 2 seconds duration, and a 30 seconds CD, so while the 9% increased damage from "Nerve Wracking" is amazing, then keep in mind that your teammates in the flashpoints/operations can only get 1 ability off in that period (or, with amazing timing, 2). I appreciate your response. In endgame at level 50, tanks will have closer to 20,000 health, not 10,000. Most classes should have about 10,000 by the time you hit level 40, or possibly sooner. Also, 2% health increase is better than less than 1% mitigation, so it is a better investment. My only point with Disjunction is that it gives you an unecessary bonus to a situation where you will not need it. There will not be a fight where the tank gets trapped somewhere and needs to break cc more than once every two minutes. How do I know this? Because every tank AC has to be equally viable in end game, and the only move that every tank gets to break cc is Unbreakable Will, so in order to level the playing field this is how they design the enncounters. In PVP, you will need it every 5 seconds or so, having a 20 second cd won't seem like enough. Might be nice when leveling, or even in some other situations, but not when main tanking, it will go completely unused. And yes, Harnessed Darkness is a waste, because you will not use Force Lightning while tanking. Never. You will not have enough force power if you have a good rotation. The only time you would ever use force lightning is if you are somehow stuck and cant move and are slightly out of melee range, which as a tank would be bad news anyway. Also, if you need to be healing yourself, then you need a new healer. Again, its a PVP tanking move, where self healing is important because you never know where the next heal is coming from. In a flashpoint or operation you will have a healer at all times just for you. Why won't you use force lightning in rotation? Because Shock + Thrash + Trash is almost three times the damage in the same amount of time and uses the same amount of force power to complete, and generates extra threat. Also, moves like Discharge, and Lacerate are kinda expensive, but necessary, and will destroy your force pool. You will find that Shock is the main electric move, leave force lightning for the Sorcs. Lastly, in an Operation, lets say you will have 10 dps, and lets say they are doing about 1000dps each ( for easy numbers, since tank dps is also included). For two seconds, that increases your raid dps from 10,000 to 10,900. Not too bad, considering you can do this every 30 seconds. Thats an extra 3,600 health the boss loses every minute. In a 10 minute fight, that is 36,000 health, very formidible if you ask me, its like having a whole extra dpser in your raid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carbonace Posted December 14, 2011 Share Posted December 14, 2011 Great guide for Sith Assassins! I have one question/comment/update though. For Deception Assassins, wouldn't a better talent distribution be 8/31/2? Instead of putting 2 points into Entropic Field (which is a survival talent in the Deception tree) I put them into the Darkness Tree to fill out the Electric Execution Talent. Also, 7/31/3 could be another alternative. Instead of filling out Electric Execution in the Darkness Tree I moved 1 point into Exploitive Strikes in the Madness Tree. I am unsure which talent would provide more DPS (Electric Execution or Exploitive Strikes) without doing further testing in game. But I figured either talent would give more DPS than Entropic Field. Anyone else care to comment on this? I pointed this out in the original forum. I completely agree with both specs and not sure which one I am going to chose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rendynn Posted December 14, 2011 Share Posted December 14, 2011 Some quite valid points Shaclad, I'll keep them in mind when getting into the higher levels Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cement Posted December 14, 2011 Share Posted December 14, 2011 So where is the Sorcerer version of this guide...? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Talyn_Rahl Posted December 15, 2011 Share Posted December 15, 2011 In the Sorc subforum? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JCDIP Posted December 15, 2011 Share Posted December 15, 2011 Thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rade_Harkin Posted December 15, 2011 Share Posted December 15, 2011 Good to see your guide up and running again, Astral. Have you been PvPing much? I've seen (and obliterated) a few of your fellow guildies in warzones Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gkshow Posted December 15, 2011 Share Posted December 15, 2011 Astral, thanks a lot for this guide I have a quick question. Your priority list for each tree, is it a rotation of abilities we should use or is it the order of abilities we should get? What would your rotation be for the tanking build and the armor penetration built at level periods or in general? Thanks a lot again Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaiter Posted December 16, 2011 Share Posted December 16, 2011 Excellent Read! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gunslinger Posted December 16, 2011 Share Posted December 16, 2011 Wither (top of the darkness tree) seems pretty powerful. But not worth the points investment? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeneralShade Posted December 16, 2011 Share Posted December 16, 2011 Great guide, thank you for your time in putting this together. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Medloh Posted December 16, 2011 Share Posted December 16, 2011 Best guide I've seen, Thx. I feel way smarter after reading this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rade_Harkin Posted December 16, 2011 Share Posted December 16, 2011 Wither (top of the darkness tree) seems pretty powerful. But not worth the points investment? Wither is very good (borderline requirement) for tanking in PvE. For PvP it's a far better idea to stop at 22-23 points and go up Deception or Madness instead as they have very useful PvP talents at lower tiers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gunslinger Posted December 16, 2011 Share Posted December 16, 2011 Wither is very good (borderline requirement) for tanking in PvE. For PvP it's a far better idea to stop at 22-23 points and go up Deception or Madness instead as they have very useful PvP talents at lower tiers. thanks. so would the mixed trees help survivability up to a point, then add some more offense? (pvp speaking) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tayk Posted December 16, 2011 Share Posted December 16, 2011 Thanks for this guide, I only really decided what I was going to play as my main today (SI-Assassin) and was looking for somewhere with all of this info. Can't wait to play again and get things rolling Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rade_Harkin Posted December 17, 2011 Share Posted December 17, 2011 thanks. so would the mixed trees help survivability up to a point, then add some more offense? (pvp speaking) It really depends on what build you choose to go with. I'm going with one that gets Induction in the Deception tree as that goes super good with Energize, so I get to use Shock often. You can go with Madness and get Death Field which goes quite nice as a tank since it offers some healing and range if you need it. Chain Shock is really nice with Energize, too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Furyton Posted December 17, 2011 Share Posted December 17, 2011 Very nice guide there mate =) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gkshow Posted December 18, 2011 Share Posted December 18, 2011 In terms of picking the skills, which ones do you guys recommend first? I'm going with the 5/33/3 spec, I was thinking of either finishing off the 5 and the 3 first, or try and get Surging Charge ASAP. Which tree is more beneficial to follow early on? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MookieFett Posted December 18, 2011 Share Posted December 18, 2011 can someone please update the links to the talent trees? they're all going to errors Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holepunch Posted December 18, 2011 Share Posted December 18, 2011 which spec is the best to level with in here from your alls gathering point? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azin Posted December 18, 2011 Share Posted December 18, 2011 (edited) Nice guide, interesting read. Edited December 18, 2011 by Azin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gkshow Posted December 18, 2011 Share Posted December 18, 2011 I was thinking of going with the hybrid http://www.torhead.com/skill-calc#20...rskZZf0cRr0z.1 built. Which talents are a priority to take here? It seems like the this built isn't that effective until you get Death Field and Lacerate in later levels. How do you tank until then? I'm not quite sure on the rotation to build aggro. I figured getting Death Field will help a lot, but what about before then? Is there a rotation? Or just use your high damage abilities whenever they're available? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justdead Posted December 18, 2011 Share Posted December 18, 2011 Awesome write up and guide, thanks for the effort and work you put into it. It will be my bible for a while if not forever Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts