cbauga Posted February 3, 2013 Share Posted February 3, 2013 Ive seen several assassin's do this regularly. Im a fully war hero, fully power, crit augmented deception assassin and I NEVER sniff 400k damage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackNader Posted February 3, 2013 Share Posted February 3, 2013 full deception, full madness, hybrid deception madness, tank assassin in DPS gear, Hyrbid tank deception. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ParagonAX Posted February 3, 2013 Share Posted February 3, 2013 It's your skill/playstyle, not the gear/spec. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jakev- Posted February 3, 2013 Share Posted February 3, 2013 Crit augments?... Lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CpnWiggler Posted February 3, 2013 Share Posted February 3, 2013 crit augmented Found the problem Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cbauga Posted February 3, 2013 Author Share Posted February 3, 2013 (edited) So you guys are saying that a full deception assassin should be getting to 400k regularly? Ive got 2 crit augs to 9 power augments. I wanted to get to 30% crit rating. It sounds like I should replace those crits augs from the sarcastic responses above. So run 11 power augs? Note: Most of the time I am queuing solo and pugging it most of the time. I rarely have heals and protection so I am dying pretty quickly. Edited February 3, 2013 by cbauga Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cultivatedmass Posted February 3, 2013 Share Posted February 3, 2013 (edited) the one that stays in combat and has healer on him. So you guys are saying that a full deception assassin should be getting to 400k regularly? Ive got 2 crit augs to 9 power augments. I wanted to get to 30% crit rating. It sounds like I should replace those crits augs from the sarcastic responses above. So run 11 power augs? Note: Most of the time I am queuing solo and pugging it most of the time. I rarely have heals and protection so I am dying pretty quickly. having a healer is one of the main assets in doing scoreboard damage along with dots/aoe/more than 2 enemy healers. any healer is fine, but a pocket healer will provide best results. Edited February 3, 2013 by cultivatedmass Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackNader Posted February 3, 2013 Share Posted February 3, 2013 Let me guess.. your entire rotation is voltaic voltaic shock, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warshades Posted February 3, 2013 Share Posted February 3, 2013 Well you should have 14 augmentation, not 11. Also with wh gear you should be around 35% crit. And 75% surge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xeraz Posted February 3, 2013 Share Posted February 3, 2013 Gear is a factor, always. Also, as mentioned, having healers on your team and the enemy team is pretty huge. Just know that as an Assassin you should be focusing on objectives, control, utility and Killing Blows. Especially deception which is a burst killer. Try not to focus on "getting damage" when other classes are better suited for that. Pyrotechs spam dots and still have very strong aoe. Smash is all about the aoe. Even snipers have aoe. Focus on your ability to systematically kill key targets and take joy in your job. Don't spam aoe meaninglessly or dots to increase fluff damage. (Something most madness specs are guilty as all hell for) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cbauga Posted February 3, 2013 Author Share Posted February 3, 2013 Let me guess.. your entire rotation is voltaic voltaic shock, right? I would have to write a wall of text to tell you my rotation honestly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cbauga Posted February 3, 2013 Author Share Posted February 3, 2013 Gear is a factor, always. Also, as mentioned, having healers on your team and the enemy team is pretty huge. Just know that as an Assassin you should be focusing on objectives, control, utility and Killing Blows. Especially deception which is a burst killer. Try not to focus on "getting damage" when other classes are better suited for that. Pyrotechs spam dots and still have very strong aoe. Smash is all about the aoe. Even snipers have aoe. Focus on your ability to systematically kill key targets and take joy in your job. Don't spam aoe meaninglessly or dots to increase fluff damage. (Something most madness specs are guilty as all hell for) EVERY war zone i focus on killing healers. Im pretty good at it, but I see these other assassins doing 350-450k damage and I just want to know what they are doing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cultivatedmass Posted February 3, 2013 Share Posted February 3, 2013 (edited) EVERY war zone i focus on killing healers. Im pretty good at it, but I see these other assassins doing 350-450k damage and I just want to know what they are doing. death field =0 Edited February 3, 2013 by cultivatedmass Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xeraz Posted February 3, 2013 Share Posted February 3, 2013 EVERY war zone i focus on killing healers. Im pretty good at it, but I see these other assassins doing 350-450k damage and I just want to know what they are doing. Next time you see this compare Killing Blows. (not kills) Many times you'll find they were just playing madness or a madness hybrid spamming dots/aoe. I'm not saying 350-400k isn't possible. It surely is, but total damage numbers as an Assassin are not NEARLY as important as the Utility you bring. If you wanted a class with high total damage you rolled wrong, lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackNader Posted February 3, 2013 Share Posted February 3, 2013 Just as long as you aren't running around spamming voltaic voltaic shock all the time. Pretty much you want to open with maul or a crit discharge to proc the 9% melee crit and you want to use your maul liberally. You only go into the voltaic voltaic shock rotation or thrash thrash shock rotation (with claws of decay) when you're low on force. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XenTharqua Posted February 3, 2013 Share Posted February 3, 2013 I am an "ok" player mostly doing solo warzones. I have tested all the assassin's specs and I can reach 400k damage will most of the dps specs. Overall I think the "better" spec for maximum damage is 0/27/14 : It relies on heavy burst contrary to madness which is very useful against healers but also bring good survivability. However the drawback is lower utility compared to madness and kinetic (no pull and no instant force lift). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cbauga Posted February 3, 2013 Author Share Posted February 3, 2013 I am an "ok" player mostly doing solo warzones. I have tested all the assassin's specs and I can reach 400k damage will most of the dps specs. Overall I think the "better" spec for maximum damage is 0/27/14 : It relies on heavy burst contrary to madness which is very useful against healers but also bring good survivability. However the drawback is lower utility compared to madness and kinetic (no pull and no instant force lift). Thanks for the response. Got some work to do... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huggsnotdruggs Posted February 3, 2013 Share Posted February 3, 2013 I put up 455k in 23/1/17 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
braONEntax Posted February 3, 2013 Share Posted February 3, 2013 800k dmg 200k prot regs bro 27/1/13 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cowflab Posted February 3, 2013 Share Posted February 3, 2013 The answer to the OP question is any assassin in decent dps gear. Even as a 31/1/9 in tank gear, you can come close to 400k damage if the match lasts awhile. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KettleBelll Posted February 3, 2013 Share Posted February 3, 2013 (edited) So you guys are saying that a full deception assassin should be getting to 400k regularly? Ive got 2 crit augs to 9 power augments. I wanted to get to 30% crit rating. It sounds like I should replace those crits augs from the sarcastic responses above. So run 11 power augs? Note: Most of the time I am queuing solo and pugging it most of the time. I rarely have heals and protection so I am dying pretty quickly. See, this is what's wrong with people. Why do you feel you MUST HAVE 30%? Did you read that on a forum, where someone told you this is a 'must have'? Or is it some sort of OCD compulsion? This thread remind me of the Vanguard that make a QQ thread saying he can't get 5k High Impact Bolts, but refused to spec points into High Impact Bolt talents, and didn't stack aim/power. Edited February 3, 2013 by KettleBelll Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cbauga Posted February 3, 2013 Author Share Posted February 3, 2013 I put up 455k in 23/1/17 Are you using all willpower mods? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cbauga Posted February 3, 2013 Author Share Posted February 3, 2013 800k dmg 200k prot regs bro 27/1/13 Uhh huh....what augs are you using? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cowflab Posted February 3, 2013 Share Posted February 3, 2013 See, this is what's wrong with people. Why do you feel you MUST HAVE 30%? Did you read that on a forum, where someone told you this is a 'must have'? Or is it some sort of OCD compulsion? This thread remind me of the Vanguard that make a QQ thread saying he can't get 5k High Impact Bolts, but refused to spec points into High Impact Bolt talents, and didn't stack aim/power. Exactly!!! In deception/deception-madness hybrids one only needs to carry roughly 25% unbuffed crit. With the operative buff and first tier madness talent you'll have 39% crit, which is more than sufficient. It's been said a hundred times already over in the sin forum but here it goes again. Stats to aim for... 96.9% accuracy 75% crit multiplier 25% crit Mod the rest of your gear for power There's a debate about whether you should augment WP or power, but the difference between the 2 is very miniscule so you can go with either. WP adds slightly more crit which is separate from the crit rating soft cap, but offers slightly less bonus damage. Power adds slightly more bonus damage, but no crit. Now go forth and prosper. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyanzes Posted February 3, 2013 Share Posted February 3, 2013 (edited) Here's a spec that I find fun to play: 2/27/12 Checklist: Do I find it fun to play? YES Can it dish out 450k? YES Would some people find it "gimped"? YES Do I care? NO Stay behind target at all times. Maul their *** when you can. Shock when you can (for 1.5x damage). Use discharge when you can (and can't maul or shock). When force is low or can't maul: thrash. Screw voltaic slash. Also works nicely with 160 force (PVE kit bonus) and 1214 expertise. Allows for evil mauling. Edited February 3, 2013 by Kyanzes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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