We are bound to the Fleet. And the Fleet Is Destroying SWTOR.

[Fraeblood]

OP, you beat the game. Good for you.

Do you also write other game companies when you beat their game and tell them you need more?

Jesus, yes if you max out everything and do everything, which is a lot, then you ***** you need more? You do know there are other games in the world.

Every MMO will end up having a HUB where people go to. If it wasn't the Fleet, it would be somewhere else. In fact many in the RP side of things don't hang out in the Fleet.

 

It sounds like you would have more fun plaing Rift. Seriously, check it out. it has a lot of what you want. Tellion Bioware they should make another game is like telling Pizzahut to make Burgers and not pizza. They make the game they make. If you want something else, there are other MMOs that have exactly what you are lookign for. You will never have everything you want unless you make a game yourself. Cause ya as much as people can't believe this is NOT YOUR GAME. It is Bioware's game.

Edited December 26, 2012 by Fraeblood

[GalacticKegger]

Honestly, I hated the fleet with a passion. Hell, I still do. It's nothing more than a great divide in the game. We have these iconic planets that might as well mean nothing to the player past the level. And the Dailies are nothing short of insulting. Being in a guild is pointless 95% of the time, and that's me being nice about that figure.

Must be a sucky guild. Sorry to hear it m8.

[Fraeblood]

Ya i think the OP is in a bad guild or just doesn't like the endgame in MMOs.

Good guilds find fun ways to RP in the world given.

And raiding guilds.... well raid......

And PVP guilds set up PVP games and Tournies to host and run on servers.

Sounds like you just like to play the story and then you are pissed when it ends.... they can't just make it go on forever like say Skyrim. This is an MMO. They play just like SWTOR does with a few differences here and there.

[Anti_Bodies]

we rot in the fleet. [/b This game is built around "Kill Kill Kill". Never "build" or "decorate", "explore", "create".

 

 

I think this is a really good point. The quests are all

 

Kill x

Fetch x

Right click object x

 

I specifically remember one really cool mini-game I stumbled upon at the end of the JK story (small spoiler)

 

On Dromund kaas in the temple they added a short mini game where you have to match 6 runes up in order to get a treasure chest that will gear your droid, whom is required to fight with you but Bioware discovered that players hadn't necessarily geared him since level 15.

 

 

Other then that small mini-game 99.7% of everything is the same. In addition, the fleet is incredibly stale but it's where I spend all my time due to the GTN, WZ dailies, and population center. I think Bioware needs to make the fleet stations smaller so it's mainly levels 1-49, and create a new fresh place on an open PVP world that has the vendors/dailies/gtn/etc. that we get from the fleet. This should also help with the severe lag found on the fleet due to the amounts of people.

[IslanderRebel]

hmm... been there done it all?

log in and thinking about nothing but who to KILL, KILL, Kill????

Sounds like you need to go start playing some FPS games where all you do time after time is shoot other people a bazillion times?

Crafting is cheesy in TOR? Sure it is? You want a real heroic, migraine of a crafting challenge where you gather all the mats and then use blueprints (aka schematics for TOR) for every component necessary to build your awesome gear or this MMO's case, epic ship. come and play EVE Online.

TOR crafting has it made compared to EVO. bored with all your characters in one server at level 50? go to all the other servers and max your slots out with them, until then, I won't be calling you epic anything but a bore. Better yet, go play Diablo III and let me know how real, boring is? I couldn't stand playing the "ultimate,epic took so many years to bring it to life" game of them all for a month and send it into mothballs. TOR has better graphics than Diablo III and better storylines.

I'll be playing TOR unless it dies epicly like SWG. Even if they bring out Diablo IV next year, I wouldn't stop playing TOR for it. go play "Hello Kitty Online" if you're really that tired of TOR. Have a nice day.

[MaximusRex]

This game needs more horizontal progression. No game can make vertical progression fast enough to stay ahead of the voracious appetites of its players.

 

Stop trying to be WoW with a Star Wars skin and be SWTOR that you can be.

[Willhousefour]

I don't really understand the original post. Is the fleet not aesthetically pleasing enough? In that respect, I agree. It could be gussied up a bit. I don't agree that a centralized location where you can accomplish many end game tasks (FP, GTN, gear upgrade, crafting) is bad.

 

Also, some people in this thread seem to be calling for Star Wars casino style games to be added. This really confuses me. It's like asking for a functional RTS or FPS sidegame. Why would you need this? The core gameplay is space-adventure themed RPG. People seem to feel obligated for more to do different from the established core gameplay. If I wanted an online card game, I would buy an online card game. If you want mini-games, fire up your smartphone/tablet. It's ok if you're not doing it within SWTOR.

 

For me, all they need to do is make sure there are sufficient end-game FP and OPs available through the group finder and I'm happy.

[EcrirTwyLar]

Fleet is a great place.

Place where fresh players and old veterans can meet and see each other.

And this feeling of level 10 char, that see level 50 in shining armor, some rare mount, title, companion - it create motivation to play game.

 

It's far better than separating players to noob zone, mid zone and high level zone.

 

I agree with this.

[Hassat-Hunter]

So much confusion in this thread what it's about. I would agree a definite post of the OP which of the issues is most bothersome is most welcome.

 

Personally, even if you haven't maxed out everything, the fleet is a very annoying place to be. You're pretty much forced there (flashpoints, gtn, chapter rewards, etc.). I would definitely support any and all suggestions to lesson the need of that fleet, and potentially even no longer need it.

 

For, like as many post here, some might like the fleet and it's centrilisation, there will also be many people leaving the game solely due to "the fleet"... And I can tell you as someone playing his first MMORPG, going from the first planet to that isn't fun. It's not "see what I can become". It's spending half-an-hour there doing stuff, realising you pretty can't do anything, have to go through too many loading screens to your ship/transport, the game lags horribly, and the chat is filled with spam, crap and insults. Nice introduction... no, not really.

 

As for someone claiming "well, it's better than Diablo", a great deal of people aren't here for an action RPG. They played KOTOR, they played ME, they played many other BioWare titles. And finding a hack&slash Diablo would be the last thing they want (as do I). So comparing a plot-driven game like BW's and the grindfest known as Diablo... it's a pretty odd comparrison to make.

[Brexten]

You should not make statements about "most people" and "majorities" without SOME data to back them up. You have none whatsoever. Yes, it's better NOT to say things you can't support in any way, shape or form.

 

For that matter, saying "it would take a fool to argue" is pretty bad form too, as arguments go.

 

But let's drop the above since it was NOT the point you were trying to make, it turns out. Let's do something constructive here instead. I confess I am still not clear what the point of this thread is. Are you brainstorming better ways to have a hub? Can you please restate your point?

 

Please return to the topic for christ sakes... Why do people like you allways have to play this game? It's getting boring really fast. Instead of talking so much about that rather stay on topic and discuss the idea. Afterall thats why the OP opened this topic in the first place.

 

So now back to topic. I agree that the fleet is not good as a central hub. People screamed, danced and I do not know what else for little easy to make mini games. We are not asking for 20 new planets and 35 new races or something...

[AnAnonymousGuy]

Personally, I've never had a huge issue with the fleet. Sure, it's as ugly as a pig's backside, but it serves a valuable function and it doesn't take forever to load.

 

Seriously though OP, I have 12 level 50 characters, who are all maxed out in crew skils, have fully augmented Dread Master Gear, all their companions have full Dread Master Gear and my affection with all of them is 10,000/10,000. I even got my affection up to 10,000 with 2V-R8 and C2-N2. Why, you ask? Just for fun. I don't wanna take the game too seriously.

 

I hope my point has been made.

Edited December 27, 2012 by AnAnonymousGuy

[Smashbrother]

 

 

 

There is simply nothing to do that has not been done before. So where do we go? we rot in the fleet. Fleet chat is becoming more and more bitter, less constructive and certainly not pleasant. This game is built around "Kill Kill Kill". Never "build" or "decorate", "explore", "create". Successfull MMO's have these features. This game is combat through and through, and that is a fact.

 

 

 

WoW is the most successful MMO in all of MMO history, and most likely in all of time. I haven't played WoW in years, but AFAIK it has none of those things except "explore", of which SWTOR has plenty of.

 

Also, people act like SWTOR is a massive failure, but SWTOR has more subs than most MMOs ever had or ever will.

Edited December 27, 2012 by Smashbrother

[MariaD]

Please return to the topic for christ sakes... Why do people like you allways have to play this game? It's getting boring really fast. Instead of talking so much about that rather stay on topic and discuss the idea. Afterall thats why the OP opened this topic in the first place.

 

So now back to topic. I agree that the fleet is not good as a central hub. People screamed, danced and I do not know what else for little easy to make mini games. We are not asking for 20 new planets and 35 new races or something...

 

You can see OP getting better at writing things up within this thread already. It's heartening to see. Why do people like this sort of gameplay? Check out this handy description of gamer types and you'll see for yourself: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bartle_Test

 

Is mini-games the topic, then? I count three I play within SWTOR: space missions, warzones and datacron hunting. I would not mind a couple more, actually. We'll see what happens, come Makeb.

[Mowermanx]

What annoys me in these discussions is that its always ends in absolutes in regards to sandbox/theme-park, but it doesn't have to be.

The game doesnt have to be one or the other by adding swoop racing on Tatooine, games in Nar Shaddaa, bounties on notorious roaming NPC's on Balmorra & Corellia, treasure hunting on Tython & Korriban.

Even hard core raiders that are locked out of everything by the weekend, would love other things to do.

[JohnWinger]

If I had my choice I would never be on fleet. My two favorite places in the game are Kaas City and Tatooine. I would make it so that everything you can do on fleet you can do in Kaas City and Coruscant. I would also link the chat from the Capitols and Fleet together.

[mlcslc]

I'm not unhappy.

[FeelFlow]

To the OP:

 

As well as the other suggestions here, BW could easily make max level areas on the popular levelling husband create some dailies with rewards etc.

[FeelFlow]

... And thinking about it, I really think that Fleet should be remade in the Capital planets. There's something about it that doesn't quite work. I can't put my finger on it. Also it was lazy to have both factions have near identical Fleets.

[SickTag]

Agreed. once you really got a few level 50s and have raided, you find there is nothing to really do other then see what story you might have missed. All my tradeskills are maxed. I really don't have anything to spend credits on. So I work on an alt but it's boring because I played through the generic quests on both sides at least 5 or 6 times now. So...

[SickTag]

If I had my choice I would never be on fleet. My two favorite places in the game are Kaas City and Tatooine. I would make it so that everything you can do on fleet you can do in Kaas City and Coruscant. I would also link the chat from the Capitols and Fleet together.

 

Also agree with this. I bought all the updates for the **** so I can avoid fleet. The quests are the only things i pick up and drop off there. I prefer my ship because hanging out on fleet is the same both sides. sometimes I forget which side I am on when on the fleet as well

[Lord_Erman]

Agreed. once you really got a few level 50s and have raided, you find there is nothing to really do other then see what story you might have missed. All my tradeskills are maxed. I really don't have anything to spend credits on. So I work on an alt but it's boring because I played through the generic quests on both sides at least 5 or 6 times now. So...

 

One thing I may suggest is switching to a different role when you roll a new toon. I was dps for a long time and then decided to try healing. I found it incredibly fun and leveled a bunch of healers. All of a sudden that Explosive Conflict I was doing since months, became something different. I was doing different things, my task was something else, I was paying attention to things I barely knew they existed...

 

Now I'm leveling my first tank toon. My Shadow is level 42. His Rakata/BH gear is already waiting for him (thank you legacy gear!) and I will instantly dive into a different world so to speak. That EC (and all the other ops as well) will once again become a new place for me.

 

Of course maybe you already have toons for different roles. But there may be others who level, say, dps after dps.

 

So just saying. Playing the game from a different perspective can be a lot of fun and a new challenge.

Edited December 27, 2012 by Lord_Erman

[SithKoriandr]

Has someone actually gotten all the classes and everything all geared out/leveled up?

 

Or is that the OP just saying "I have the classes I want leveled up, what now?"?

[Cleet_Xia]

Actually, there isn't anything wrong with fleet at all in my opinion. Other than the fact that the map has so many marks on it that the map leagend is overwhelming the first time you look at it. If they moved those functions to "planets", then we would have to deal with a longer loading time, just to do basic housekeeping stuff. But I would like to see the PvP crowd get there own vanguard vessel, where dueling was allowed. Give them a duplicate set of venders/mission terminals there, just so they don't have to travel back and forth everytime they want to window shop or hand in a daily. I'm not a huge PvPer but the PvP crowd has 2 vanguard vessels, it's only fair.

 

If you don't like fleet you can buy the legacy unlocks & get a holostatue from the GTN for a portable class trainer. At that point, the only thing you need to go there for is a quick run at the PvP/PvE daily terminals. And I won't be surprised if those don't become ship unlocks before too long. As it is right now, there is no reason at all to actually stay there for any length of time.

 

burn fleet pass> hit terminals> burn PT to BH area & then use the shuttle to get to all the various dailies & your ship. If you want to recruit in chat for content instead of blind dating through GF - you can do that in any of the daily areas, and you can be in any of them with one click on the shuttle menu & one loading screen. *gasp* your ops group can even scatter out, and spam them all at once.

[Jvstin]

Screencap all your maxed out toons bro.

[sheeldon]

We go to Makeb.

 

 

Wow, do you really have that much spare time dude? If yes, well, then there is nothing BW can do about it. Surprisingly(!) most people have lives out there; you know things like school, work, friends, families etc...

 

Oh and don't get me wrong; I'm not writing these to start a fight with you. But come on and be realistic: Maxing your char slots and doing everything with those toons should reqiure ZERO real life and 24/7 SWTOR. I'm sure there are people like that (and I'm really sorry for them) but I don't want to believe that they're the majority. If so, BW should release new content every 2 weeks and even that wouldn't be enough for those people.

 

Having said those things, I also have to say that the social non-fighting part of the game should be worked on a bit more. I shouldn't log onto the game and say "who do we kill today?" all the time. Some actions that don't involve killing would be nice.

 

As I said, I'm not trying to start a fight but there are still people enjoing the new content that came with 1,6 unlike those who "consumed" it in just 2 days after its release.

ZERO real life and 24/7 SWTOR

lul wut u can lvl a character from 1 - 50 in 10 days mabye another 10 days for maxed pvp or pve gear ur everything is invalid