EU Servers and the unofficial language

[Inseh]

I say its a matter of manners.

 

My server got taken over by Russians (and no, I don't have anything against them), however, when general chat is 70% Russian sentences and words.. that gets you. Most English speaking guilds that were there at the start, are not there any more, one can say, they lost the will to fight.

 

When I join a warzone, 60% of the time people will call for help and incomings on Russian. Now, a simple question for you guys. Why is it only Russians? They like to invade servers and call them theirs?

 

I have not seen a single Italian, or Danish, or Swedish word on my server yet, only Russian? Huh. Must be Russian only thing! Get in there, start speaking Russian, call it our place. Mission accomplished!

 

 

Manners people, please.

Edited February 27, 2012 by Inseh

[Syylara]

Go play on an american server and try it.

 

OR on the german server and type in english.

 

Seriously, its not about making people 'conform' its about common decency. If you go to another country to live you damn well learn the language. You play on their server you write in their language.

 

That's your opinion...which you can't force someone else to have, so learn to deal with disappointment.

 

Dont understand why thats so hard to comprehend, or why its so offensive?

 

No, I don't. Just like you don't understand that demanding other people behave to your expectations is the height of arrogance.

 

Frankly your english is better than most of the people I have to deal with daily at work, and supposedly they are 'natives'.

 

I do so hate that word.

 

Maybe because I'm American and speak English as my first language. When I see people speaking another language in a chat channel or hear other languages being spoken around me, I don't immediately jump their case and start calling them pejorative terms in an attempt to coerce them through shame and ridicule to conform to my way of behaving.

Edited February 27, 2012 by Syylara

[Maidel]

That's your opinion...which you can't force someone else to have, so learn to deal with disappointment.

 

No, I don't. Just like you don't understand what is so offensive about demanding other people behave to your expectations.

 

The person above me has made my point perfectly.

 

A supposedly 'English' server is now the (un)offical Russian server. Anyone who wants to play on that server needs to understand Russian in order to be able to play with anyone else.

 

No one when joining the supposedly 'English' server knows this until they have already played on it for a while. This is detrimental to the enjoyment of paying customers who have joined a server to play an MMO, only to find out they cannot do the MM part because despite their joining and ENGLISH server they need to learn russian.

 

Maybe because I'm American and speak English as my first language. When I see people speaking another language in a chat channel or hear other languages being spoken around me, I don't immediately jump their case and start calling them pejorative terms in an attempt to coerce them through shame and ridicule to conform to my way of behaving.

 

If you looked at the bit in the quotes you would have noticed I wasnt aiming that bit at you.

[Deadpooled]

You were doing so well until you made this analogy, which is completely silly. The game is made in a certain way, and even though they speak in gibberish, you get a translation, which completely invalidates the point.

 

its the scousers I cant understand!

 

I only said that to show how pointless the arguement is, seeing as most ppl probably just space-bar through the alien-speech, thus, ignoring it but can't do the same in gen-chat

 

and yeah....scousers/glaswegians...basically anyone from N.England/Scotland (and i live in Wales....try understanding roadsigns and thier over-use of consonants - Dyw un iaith byth yn ddigon)

 

eeek....quick edit before the 'droid' thinks ive insulted someone in a odd-language

 

Dyw un iaith byth yn ddigon = Welsh - translates to 'one language is never enough'

Edited February 27, 2012 by Deadpooled

[Maidel]

I only said that to show how pointless the arguement is, seeing as most ppl probably just space-bar through the alien-speech, thus, ignoring it but can't do the same in gen-chat

 

and yeah....scousers/glaswegians...basically anyone from N.England/Scotland (and i live in Wales....try understanding roadsigns and thier over-use of consonants - Dyw un iaith byth yn ddigon)

 

Got ya.

 

Feel sorry for your with the welsh signs. Where I live any official signs are written in 6 languages, bizzarely enough sometimes English isnt the first one! Apparantly they order the sign in the order that the service is used. 'Welcome to Accident And Emergency' is actually 3 down the list under the urdu and arabic signs...

[Deadpooled]

Got ya.

 

Feel sorry for your with the welsh signs. Where I live any official signs are written in 6 languages, bizzarely enough sometimes English isnt the first one! Apparantly they order the sign in the order that the service is used. 'Welcome to Accident And Emergency' is actually 3 down the list under the urdu and arabic signs...

 

funny you mention that (urdu etc), cos you don't hear of English people complaining about signs written in many languages in the UK with English being on there somewhere BUT if someone types in thier native language in chat in a GAME, the forums explode with outrage

[Maidel]

funny you mention that (urdu etc), cos you don't hear of English people complaining about signs written in many languages in the UK with English being on there somewhere BUT if someone types in thier native language in chat in a GAME, the forums explode with outrage

 

Oh trust me you do.

 

Never read the Daily mail? Its one of their biggest complaints, if its ever a slow news day they always wheel it out, I think they have to keep a few stories waiting if they need to fill a space.

[Rabenschwinge]

I don't see the OP's problem. If someone says something in public chat that you don't understand - how is that an offence? On the European servers, especially the English ones people from all across Europe come together. I find it absurd to expect them to not use their own language in public. It wouldn't be a mark of a healthy community if everyone was forced to neglect their own culture and adapt to what is convenient to native English speakers.

 

In a game such as EVE Online no one would complain just because people discuss something in Cyrillic characters, presumably Russian. I don't see why it would be any different here.

Edited February 27, 2012 by Rabenschwinge

[Maidel]

I don't see the OP's problem. If someone says something in public chat that you don't understand - how is that an offence? On the European servers, especially the English ones people from all across Europe come together. I find it absurd to expect them to not use their own language in public. It wouldn't be a mark of a healthy community if everyone was forced to neglect their own culture and adapt to what is convenient to native English speakers.

 

In a game such as EVE Online no one would complain just because people discuss something in Cyrillic characters, presumably Russian. I don't see why it would be any different here.

 

EvE has ONE server and is an Icelandic game. There are no 'language' based servers, it doesnt work like that, its also not a game where you have 'flash points' or other grouping instances.

 

Also, you cant end up with 'unoffical' servers which are supposedly english, but end up full of XXXX speakers because everyone plays together.

[Rabenschwinge]

EvE has ONE server and is an Icelandic game. There are no 'language' based servers, it doesnt work like that, its also not a game where you have 'flash points' or other grouping instances.

 

Also, you cant end up with 'unoffical' servers which are supposedly english, but end up full of XXXX speakers because everyone plays together.

 

Just because someone puts a label on the server doesn't mean that people whose first language is not English are not meant to play there. It just means that everyone is expected to speak and understand English to a degree. It makes sense for the communities of languages that wouldn't just own servers pool together on one server - alone so that they can form competing, big guilds there.

[Maidel]

Just because someone puts a label on the server doesn't mean that people whose first language is not English are not meant to play there. It just means that everyone is expected to speak and understand English to a degree. It makes sense for the communities of languages that wouldn't just own servers pool together on one server - alone so that they can form competing, big guilds there.

 

Ive highlighted the point that I have been trying to make.

 

I agree 100% with everything you wrote in that post, the problem is you dont draw the logical end conclusion.

 

In the end the server become a no-go area for people who DONT speak that language because they dont do the bit I highlighted, they simply speak in their own language and exclude everyone else (not actively excluding people, just that because they dont speak in english it means that people who dont speak their language cant get involved).

 

Actually wouldnt be so bad if they allowed server transfers because then at least people could leave the server for another one, but they dont, so people are forced to either re-roll from scratch, or leave, because contary to their expectations of playing on an English server, they end up playing on a server where the only english is the NPCs and everyone else speaks a different language.

[Ashphael]

I'm not English myself, but I play on English servers because I also play on an English client (and it's easier to have the same questnames etc. in the gams as in the chat). There are servers for my native language, but I prefer the English voice acting.

 

I tried Colicoid War Game once... with two east europeans, one of whom obviously failed miserably when he tried to translate my (detailed, mind you) explanation for the first two encounters. From what he did, he didn't understand, either. After 50k in repairs (normal mode!), I cut my losses and left.

 

Seriously, if you don't speak (and type) the language of the server you're playing on, then don't. Play there, I mean.

Edited February 27, 2012 by Ashphael

[Ashphael]

So if you went onto the German or French servers and constantly spoke English in general chat you think they would all be fine with that?

 

I've seen that in WOW and Rift so far - German servers and English speaking persons, in chat. Mostly asking for something. Generally, people will remember what they learned at school and try to be helpful. Just like they would if you asked them something in English on the street. (Try asking younger folks for better results, though.)

[SilentCrys]

Lol just read through seven pages where the 1st post was misread turned into racism!!! Makes me laugh english server english speaking aint hard, aint racist. I f you want to speak you own language make your own chat up, and before you go all stupid on me it would be siily of me to open my own chat up to speak english because I have already made the righrt choice and choose a english server

[Tsillah]

I think that it's not fair to expect everyone to speak English, French or German. There are many more languages out there and you as a British person are rather in a convenient position to complain about it.

 

You were born and raised with English as your language. If they shut English servers down and said learn French or German, you may not be so principled anymore. You simply have the luxury of your language being a commonly spoken language outside your borders.

 

So sorry OP, I do not agree with you.

 

It is of course more conducive to communication with others to speak English, but I do not feel it's fair to require this. That's why BW do not enforce the language but strongly suggest it.

 

The Russians have been more pro-active into creating their own language channel on our server at least, but I do not see other languages in our general chat all day long either. It's from time to time and I don't mind it. I do not need to understand all that is said and obviously I will not join them or answer their questions when I cannot understand them. That's ok for me though.

 

In fact, from my experience it gets worse when people complain about it. So, OP, here's a question for you. What do you think would be a fair solution for those who don't speak English very well and have difficulty expressing themselves?

 

As a hint, saying the need to practice or learn English is simply not fair. You require them to learn a foreign language whereas you don't have to. So any other ideas? Cause that's the real point here. What can be done, in a fair way, to solve a problem that you have and I don't?