Nidza Posted November 19, 2012 Share Posted November 19, 2012 (edited) How does it feel when someone who paid $$$ gets 1/5 more hp than u in WZ? I think they are walking a dangerous line. Edited November 19, 2012 by Nidza Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlazingShadow Posted November 19, 2012 Share Posted November 19, 2012 how does it feel when your argument is invalid? Crystals are tradeable Doesn't affect lvl50 It's just lowbie PVP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nexxa Posted November 19, 2012 Share Posted November 19, 2012 I have to agree with the OP on this, I'm afraid. Those ugly pink abominations (and the other ones) need to scale with level at least and not sport level 50 stats at 10. =/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mitrikzoltan Posted November 19, 2012 Share Posted November 19, 2012 how does it feel when your argument is invalid? Crystals are tradeable Doesn't affect lvl50 It's just lowbie PVP Indeed, expertise one are insanely expensive, will never be able to afford that. Indeed, it only ruins the only bracket thats enjoyable, in LVL50, either your team, or your opponents team has zero chance. Indeed, for someone who levels in PVP, this game just got awful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gryhmr Posted November 19, 2012 Share Posted November 19, 2012 Since when was lowbie PVP even close to balanced? Oh wait. Never. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darthnish Posted November 19, 2012 Share Posted November 19, 2012 lmao no rofllmao no, please 41 experties amounts to 0.5% pvp attk/ defence, please tell me how 0.5% advantage is SO OP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atramar Posted November 19, 2012 Share Posted November 19, 2012 lmao no rofllmao no, please 41 experties amounts to 0.5% pvp attk/ defence, please tell me how 0.5% advantage is SO OP or 20% more hp to lvl 10 character... fair enouth, on duel at level pre 20 820 hp can make a difference.. but when L 49 complains that L 10 has same HP as him, it's just silly. (even more silly if L 49 losses to L 10 lol) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cycao Posted November 19, 2012 Share Posted November 19, 2012 Good point OP this is a very improtant topic and low level PvP is very, very important to some. I made a post here which helps explain more in depth on how I feel about this topic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Technohic Posted November 19, 2012 Share Posted November 19, 2012 (edited) Good point OP this is a very improtant topic and low level PvP is very, very important to some. I made a post here which helps explain more in depth on how I feel about this topic. You got me with that link even though I saw the extension on it when I hovered over it before I clicked. Anyway. I am starting to think people look at the numbers and decide to ***** without the actual experience of it being a problem. I played a bunch of sub-50 PvP and I had no issues with any of this. Then again; I don't go around looking for the 1v1 fight much. Only exception was yesterday when I ran into an Arsenal Merc; and I just played with him. Interrupts and running around a crate in Voidstar, not even trying to kill him. Since I have a merc myself (not the toon I was using) I would have felt bad for him if I wasn't so amused. Edited November 19, 2012 by Technohic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glower Posted November 19, 2012 Share Posted November 19, 2012 lmao no rofllmao no, please 41 experties amounts to 0.5% pvp attk/ defence, please tell me how 0.5% advantage is SO OP Actually it is 4.92 boost 4.69 reduction and 2.66 healing for 2x41expertise crystalls. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atramar Posted November 19, 2012 Share Posted November 19, 2012 (edited) Actually it is 4.92 boost 4.69 reduction and 2.66 healing for 2x41expertise crystalls. You sure on those numbers? that would make 1000 expertiese about 40% boost, which is not. for 100 exp is 2.44, 1000 is 19.83 edit: my numbers are % of dmg bonus* Edited November 19, 2012 by Atramar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glower Posted November 19, 2012 Share Posted November 19, 2012 Yes, i have one Lightsaber and one custom Focus and 18lvl Shadow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Memo- Posted November 19, 2012 Share Posted November 19, 2012 (edited) You sure on those numbers? that would make 1000 expertiese about 40% boost, which is not. for 100 exp is 2.44, 1000 is 19.83 edit: my numbers are % of dmg bonus* There are Diminishing Returns on Expertise, meaning the higher it gets the less value you get for each point. Getting max expertise (around 1400 nowadays?) isn't encouraged anyway, you will do much better with around 1150-1200 expertise and the rest of the pieces switched out for Campaign/Dread Guard -equivalents. //Also, as to the topic, have any of you ever heard of the Bolster -system that is present in the low-lvl warzones? Each piece of equipment and modification is boosted to match lv49. And Bioware isn't so stupid to overlook the lv10 +41 crystals as getting the bolster as well, meaning they do not scale. Conclusion: little to no advantage at all. Edited November 19, 2012 by Memo- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atramar Posted November 19, 2012 Share Posted November 19, 2012 There are Diminishing Returns on Expertise, meaning the higher it gets the less value you get for each point. Getting max expertise (around 1400 nowadays?) isn't encouraged anyway, you will do much better with around 1150-1200 expertise and the rest of the pieces switched out for Campaign/Dread Guard -equivalents. //Also, as to the topic, have any of you ever heard of the Bolster -system that is present in the low-lvl warzones? Each piece of equipment and modification is boosted to match lv49. And Bioware isn't so stupid to overlook the lv10 +41 crystals as getting the bolster as well, meaning they do not scale. Conclusion: little to no advantage at all. I'm always confused.. math doesnt suggest that dimishing returns (dmg + reduction) would be so hight that it would not be good to stack expertiese over power. but this is not topic for that, just had to add my 0.03€ since you mentioned magic 1200 "Bioware isn't so stupid to overlook" that leaks with sarcasm once my newbie hits anything where I can get her expertiese, I will check if bolster affect expertiese.. but yeah, I forgot bolster system could touch expertiese, still, even 10% dmg bonus to lvl 10-20 is still nothing compared to amount of skills L 40 has to offer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Groncho Posted November 19, 2012 Share Posted November 19, 2012 I hope some day the territards that post nonsenses in this forum will L2read bolster btw Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foxmob Posted November 19, 2012 Share Posted November 19, 2012 I hope some day the territards that post nonsenses in this forum will L2read bolster btw bolster? I twink out my toons in all crafted purples, and I rofl stomp lowbies. I did this on multiple toons. bolster is nice, but there's clearly some scaling going on with gear, cuz better gear definitely has an impact. i'm curious how the crystals actually scale. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Memo- Posted November 19, 2012 Share Posted November 19, 2012 bolster? I twink out my toons in all crafted purples, and I rofl stomp lowbies. I did this on multiple toons. bolster is nice, but there's clearly some scaling going on with gear, cuz better gear definitely has an impact. i'm curious how the crystals actually scale. Of course better gear gives you an advantage, otherwise it would be just stupid. It only attunes your gear to 49. If you are wearing under-leveled gear and they are green, of course you're going to have less stats than someone wearing all purples of their level. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Groncho Posted November 19, 2012 Share Posted November 19, 2012 bolster? I twink out my toons in all crafted purples, and I rofl stomp lowbies. I did this on multiple toons. bolster is nice, but there's clearly some scaling going on with gear, cuz better gear definitely has an impact. i'm curious how the crystals actually scale. im pretty sure a L20 toon has the same abilities than a L40 toon, and the same damage per ability Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Technohic Posted November 19, 2012 Share Posted November 19, 2012 I know on my level 30ish scrapper; missing both my opener I wont get until level 36 as well as a huge part of DPS I can't get until level 40 on a class that is dependent on an opener and to kill quickly; a power crystal is really what does me in. :smileyiserious: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarthOvertone Posted November 19, 2012 Share Posted November 19, 2012 How does it feel when someone who paid $$$ gets 1/5 more hp than u in WZ? I think they are walking a dangerous line. As long as this type of item is not available in endgame PvP, it is not P2W. LWZs are the most unbalanced PvP mess I've ever seen. They are just good as a leveling alternative to planetary questing which is horridly dull. Who cares what happens in them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jadescythe Posted November 19, 2012 Share Posted November 19, 2012 Top 3 in damage at least in every warzone I played yesterday on my mara (anni) with sub par gear and without the crystal. Not an issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cycao Posted November 19, 2012 Share Posted November 19, 2012 As long as this type of item is not available in endgame PvP, it is not P2W. LWZs are the most unbalanced PvP mess I've ever seen. They are just good as a leveling alternative to planetary questing which is horridly dull. Who cares what happens in them. QFT. I cannot stand 10-49 warzones, horribly unbalanced and to those who say "my level 12 beat a level 40" yeah well than that person sucked, most classes do not become really great until higher levels and yes gear does make a difference. I have really picked it up in terms of leveling in warzones but because I am getting crazy xp with the buff to expertise stacked with what I have unlocked with legacy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meepbot Posted November 19, 2012 Share Posted November 19, 2012 BW already explained in a sticky thread in the PTS forums (which is gone now that the PTS forums are closed) that this is a non-issue, and it doesnt affect much at all. Especially as you level up. If its really that important to you, low level PvP weapons give a little bit of expertise, and you can just switch out mods. Not P2W, working as intended Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarkAltar Posted November 25, 2012 Share Posted November 25, 2012 BW already explained in a sticky thread in the PTS forums (which is gone now that the PTS forums are closed) that this is a non-issue, and it doesnt affect much at all. Especially as you level up. If its really that important to you, low level PvP weapons give a little bit of expertise, and you can just switch out mods. Not P2W, working as intended Your missing the point of what most are complaining about. +41 endo, crit, and power doesn't scale in low level warzones and everyone knows that. The problem is giving a level 10 the advantage of having up to 82 expertise to start out with. but even worse then that if you pvp alot like most of us do you can buy the modable pvp weapons from the vendor and have 257 expertise at level 46 which is a huge advantage. The pay 2 win comes in with the WH crystals they only come from the bags meaning the peeps with money to blow will be the ones with them. I'll tell you straight up that I watched a lvl 46 marauder hit a level 11 guy for 97% of his health with thier equivilant of merciless strike. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smashbrother Posted November 25, 2012 Share Posted November 25, 2012 Your missing the point of what most are complaining about. +41 endo, crit, and power doesn't scale in low level warzones and everyone knows that. The problem is giving a level 10 the advantage of having up to 82 expertise to start out with. but even worse then that if you pvp alot like most of us do you can buy the modable pvp weapons from the vendor and have 257 expertise at level 46 which is a huge advantage. The pay 2 win comes in with the WH crystals they only come from the bags meaning the peeps with money to blow will be the ones with them. I'll tell you straight up that I watched a lvl 46 marauder hit a level 11 guy for 97% of his health with thier equivilant of merciless strike. My 49 sin is twinked the eff out with all level 49 purple gear and lvl 49 purple augments. I have not been able to take away 97% of someone's life in one hit, so I'm calling BS on you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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