Jaesa, DS but your LS?

[jarshr]

Hey I have read a lot of forum posts from awhile back and checked the internet, but I still cant find the answers I'm looking for.

 

I wanted to know if anyone has done this, and if it works...

 

Can I go full lightside up until say end of Tat and that mystical pool cave lol, then grind BT for darkside points and continue to DS 1 and do all options to try n turn jaesa darkside...does this work? or is her acquisition purely via my overall LS choices...anyone know this?

 

thanks

 

koz if this works i will go LS to end of cave, than go DS and kill her master, than do all darkside on Alderan.

[thatPERSON]

it doesnt matter what you are, just depends if you make her kill her master or if you kill her master, you could be full light side and still make her dark. just make sure to have her kill her master.

[Hemicrusher]

it doesnt matter what you are, just depends if you make her kill her master or if you kill her master, you could be full light side and still make her dark. just make sure to have her kill her master.

 

DS/LS Jaesa is all about how you or her kill her master. I am DS V and Jaesa is DS.......She entertains me. She almost makes me feel LS.

[jarshr]

see this is where i am confused, everything i have read says her alignment is based on a roll check she does when she scans ur alignment....now ppl say its choice lol, would love a Dev to step in and finally clarifiy this matter lol

[Ycoga]

... Your light-side what, exactly?

[Altheran]

it doesnt matter what you are, just depends if you make her kill her master or if you kill her master, you could be full light side and still make her dark. just make sure to have her kill her master.

 

I haven't killed him nor made her kill him, but I still have her in Dark Side mode... and I've never been Dark Side I.

Edited October 5, 2012 by Altheran

[Ellyria]

Clarification from a dev would be nice. I played with a friend who's Warrior was LS, but she wanted DS Jaesa. So she killed Jaesa's parents, her old master and Jedi friends, but she wasn't given the option to let Jaesa kill her master, only the Warrior could, and Jaesa went on and on about my friend's Warrior being LS, so she got stuck with LS Jaesa.

[Xargyn]

Everything I've ever seen indicates that if you want Jaesa to be dark sided then you have to be dark sided when you face Noman Karr. I'm pretty sure you have to have her kill him in order to have her join the dark side, and if you're light sided then that choice won't be available.

 

I've never understood why a light sided warrior would want a dark sided Jaesa.

The light sided story is about the warrior trying to change the Empire from within. (S)he recruits Jaesa to help him/her achieve this goal, since her ability can help them find true allies. Now sure, light side Jaesa isn't a romance option, but if you ignore Vette's advances then Jaesa will agree to have children with a male warrior. And really, all you'd miss out on is some mail and companion gifts.

 

[Yeshua]

Xargyn is correct and I agree. While it would be nice to also have a LS Jaesa romance option, I don't really understand why you'd want a DS Jaesa. Think about it. If you care enough to see your story through as a LS SW, why break character all of a sudden just to have nothing but DS Jaesa comments? Either romance Vette, go DS prior to meeting her, or complete your story with LS Jaesa.

 

If you really want romance, RP with yourself in Legacy or RP with real player characters.

[Dallayna]

Xargyn is correct and I agree. While it would be nice to also have a LS Jaesa romance option, I don't really understand why you'd want a DS Jaesa. Think about it. If you care enough to see your story through as a LS SW, why break character all of a sudden just to have nothing but DS Jaesa comments? Either romance Vette, go DS prior to meeting her, or complete your story with LS Jaesa.

 

If you really want romance, RP with yourself in Legacy or RP with real player characters.

 

Actually, it sounds to me like he's got a "the character starts out like this but something happens that changes everything for them" type of idea for his character and wants to know whether or not it will work within the AI responses of the game without causing permanent "damage" to the companion that would cause nothing but headaches for the last levels. In fact, given the scene he mentioned, it sounds like he's planning on the character seriously taking the vision's advice to heart.

 

Which, brings me to OP....

 

While I don't know if it will work, it sounds to me like it should, as long as you do indeed kill everyone rather than pass messages. I also think it's a great idea that, if you don't mind, I think I'm going to blatantly rip off for one of my warriors (lol) but, I think I'm going to go the other route and shoot for the "redemption" plot instead. So, please, let us know how it works for you! Because, I do think you're right in that is the perfect place and scene to cause such a shift in a character's outlook.

 

[Atramar]

You don't need to kill anyone.

I'm pretty sure , you don't even have to kill her master.

My light side jugg after letting master live, 2 (i think) options to tell 'he will suffer more this way', and then 'embrace the daark side'...

 

just read conversations carefully.

if u don't 'mad space all convos' you should get what u want.

[Dallayna]

You don't need to kill anyone.

I'm pretty sure , you don't even have to kill her master.

My light side jugg after letting master live, 2 (i think) options to tell 'he will suffer more this way', and then 'embrace the daark side'...

 

just read conversations carefully.

if u don't 'mad space all convos' you should get what u want.

 

Um... you do know that the options for either LS or DS Jaesa, isn't fully decided with just that scene with Karr, right?

 

In fact, that seems to be the point around the OP's question: where, in the plot exactly: "Can I change my character's choices partway through and have an affect on Jaesa that causes everything to turn out the way I want everyone to wind up with because, that's what I want to explore and would really like for my character and their companions. So... Is this even possible?..."

 

So, needless to say that chances are what the OP and what I were certainly talking about starts back on Tatooine and Karr's scene after Alderean is is not the full reason why Jaesa goes Light or Dark.

 

In fact, my bet is that it's like the possible endings that may or may not become available to you in Chapter III of the Agent story-line- you have to decide at least some things back on Drommund Kaas!

 

In other words, what you do long before the "moment in question" that you mentioned has a lot to do with what is available for you to choose from for that companion levels later, and further, from what I understand, as the OP pointed out, those choices seem to be on Tatooine and go all the way through Alderaaan.

 

So, at the risk of spoiling things for folks? If you had gone through or remembered the scene at the edge of the "lake" and the end of the cave in question on Tatooine (many levels before the scene with her master that you referenced).... You really should have picked up on that! Because the OP's right! It really is the perfect place for a "change of heart and perspective!!!!"

 

Now. That said and explained? The only question that remains is the OP's:

 

If a character starts out on one side and than decides to embrace that scene utterly to the point of even changing Sides.... Will it screw that character up for Jaesa later on or can they expect her to respond to them with the newly chosen Side with no problems?

Edited January 18, 2013 by Dallayna
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[Atramar]

Um... you do know that the options for either LS or DS Jaesa, isn't fully decided with just that scene with Karr, right?

 

I'm pretty sure it is.

1. both my LS and DS warriors under 3rd choice had oposite to story line sentences, so LS warrior had option 'embrace dark side' even if whole story I was better person then 80% Jedi npc in game, and my DS warrior had 'don't fall to the dark side'.

2.there are many topics of people who were DS story all the way, ended up with LS Jaesa, and people going LS story ending with DS Jaesa. - common thing? they don't remember conversation at the end since they space barred thro it (I agree, after 3 nice fights it is kinda long one) - choose wrong option at last 2-3 conversations.

3. I would run warrior again, but with 5 L 50 chars, 2 Sith Warriors (jugg 50,and marauder 42), jedi Sentinel deleted at 35 and now jedi guardian being leveled 28, I really, really, really can't get my self to do Warrior again.

[bright_ephemera]

1. I have heard no definitive/reliable/consistent answer to these questions.

2. The Sith Warrior writers are the second most experimental class writing team (after Agent), and as such if any non-Agent class were to have a decision where previous choices outright blocked a major plot path, it would be the Warrior.

 

HOWEVER,

 

3. There is a question that comes up for both LS and DS aligned Warriors that may come out to the chance for either to recruit either Jaesa.

 

No matter what you do, who you kill or don't kill, Jaesa will reach the line "It is your power that reveals a person's true nature."

 

If the Warrior is Dark Side (all records I've seen had corruption visible to confirm that; in all records I've seen Jaesa indicated that the Warrior killed her parents and Master Yonlach), she will then say "The fear you inspire forces truth to the surface.

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The Warrior may reply with "Join me in darkness" (DS points, I'm 80% certain DS Jaesa will be confirmed by this), "Too bad you must die" (DS points, she then begs for her life in a DS-sounding way), or "Don't embrace darkness" (LS points. If it is possible for a DS warrior to get Jaesa, this is where it would happen.)

 

If the Warrior is Light Side (this is my own recording; this Warrior killed Jaesa's parents and Yonlach but was Light II) Jaesa will follow the true nature line with "Your conviction and purity bring a reckoning that cannot be denied. I want that."

 

The Warrior may reply with "Walk the light path with me" (LS points, I'm 80% certain LS Jaesa will be confirmed by this), "Are you up to it?" (no alignment points, I don't know where this leads), or "I'm supposed to kill you" (no alignment points, I don't know where this leads but it may bring a DS option.)

 

 

 

If the LS Warrior's statement had a direct DS response then I would be confident in saying that, while the phrasing of the question depends on your alignment, both answers remain fully available to both flavours of Warrior. As it is I can't be 100% sure.

 

The other item where you could truly decide it if it can truly be decided in this conversation is of course killing Nomen Karr. I have located one video in which the Warrior encourages the DS path but spares Nomen Karr, and Jaesa turns out DS (as evidenced by her response to the [Flirt] at the end: she says ("don't think it's going to be that easy" instead of sputtering "that's not appropriate") I have another friend who was DS, told Jaesa to embrace the darkness, but did not permit her to kill Nomen Karr; that Jaesa also turned out DS. So Nomen Karr's fate does not appear to be the critical factor. My hypothesis? Your alignment affects how the question is presented, but both LS and DS get a "Go LS," "Go DS", and an "I should kill you" that causes her to default to the Warrior's alignment.

 

Can anyone contribute any other records?

 

 

 

Additional sources:

Killed both parents and Yonlach, DS alignment, took the "I should kill you" response to her "I want that" instead of directly encouraging the dark path, took DS responses when she pleads for her life in a DS tone, had her kill Nomen Karr, DS Jaesa result. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Krb2nEC8YA8#t=10m16s

 

LS alignment. Took the "Darth Baras expects you to die" response to her "I want that" instead of directly urging the light path, took neutral responses when she pleads for her life in an LS tone, had her spare Nomen Karr, LS Jaesa result.

 

DS alignment. Allowed Jaesa to use her power; she saw DS. Urged the dark path, had her kill Nomen Karr, got DS Jaesa.

 

Urged the dark path, had her kill Nomen Karr.

Edited January 19, 2013 by bright_ephemera