Hexdoll Posted October 1, 2012 Share Posted October 1, 2012 I think this would solve a lot of issues with pug vs. pre-made and new 50s from dying every two seconds, dishearten them from playing PvP...I mean there is no reason you should be playing normal if you are WH status. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UberDuberSoldat Posted October 1, 2012 Share Posted October 1, 2012 I think this would solve a lot of issues with pug vs. pre-made and new 50s from dying every two seconds, dishearten them from playing PvP...I mean there is no reason you should be playing normal if you are WH status. oh look, another one of these threads Only response needed: L2P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apaolo Posted October 1, 2012 Share Posted October 1, 2012 Not sure if trolling or serious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vimm Posted October 1, 2012 Share Posted October 1, 2012 Did you think about this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kontraz Posted October 1, 2012 Share Posted October 1, 2012 I think this would solve a lot of issues with pug vs. pre-made and new 50s from dying every two seconds, dishearten them from playing PvP...I mean there is no reason you should be playing normal if you are WH status. Right. Because I enjoy sitting around on fleet waiting to see if there are enough people I know on to try to get a rated team together, and then pray there is someone else queuing for rateds against us. Everyone who is full WH has gone through it. Consider it initiation into 50-PvP. You get your *** kicked for a week or so, then you have full BM gear and are a decent contender. Then you slowly start to build your WH gear. By the time you hit full WH and start min/maxing, you've EARNED that gear by taken more than enough beatings from teams with better gear than you. Now it's finally your turn to beat the crap out of some fresh 50s and make them earn theirs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eillack Posted October 1, 2012 Share Posted October 1, 2012 And another drunk thread post is born...right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cycao Posted October 1, 2012 Share Posted October 1, 2012 Not sure if trolling or serious. Something like this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
revcrisis Posted October 1, 2012 Share Posted October 1, 2012 (edited) Uh, have you heard of legacy transfer? I could theoretically roll a Jugg, never PVP until level 50, then transfer all my fully min/maxed marauder mods/armoring/enhancements over to my Valor 1 Jugg. So what would this solve again? Edited October 1, 2012 by revcrisis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apaolo Posted October 1, 2012 Share Posted October 1, 2012 Something like this? Honestly, I was more like this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cycao Posted October 1, 2012 Share Posted October 1, 2012 Honestly, I was more like this. Touche Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kcol Posted October 1, 2012 Share Posted October 1, 2012 No way dude, I just got my last WH piece, my toon isn't even min/maxed yet and I'm at Valor 76. alot of losses equate to that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalfear Posted October 1, 2012 Share Posted October 1, 2012 (edited) well I think OP in concept is right (and anyone saying L2P should be tar and feathered for offering nothing productive to society in general) OP you fail to offer those your locking out a proper alternative which turns your suggestion into a penalty! Im all for locking Valor 60 (forget 70, if your not in full WH augmented by valor 60 something seriously wrong) out of the normal WZ but there has to be a wz for them to que into. So yes, seperate the haves from the have nots because Gear shouldnt be greater then skill But put those in the upper gear into their own warzone that the have nots can not enter Doesnt need to be any extra rewards, but they do have a right to pvp as well! You cant just lock them out and say tough. Personally I still think the solution to issue is not based on valor but on equipment + adding a special que for people loading in 3-4 man groups. Course for this to work there needs to be full cross server ques to keep the population up and diminish the chances of 2 2mans loading in same warzone. The trolls like to claim its a L2P issue, and to be fair for some it is (but its L2P for both the under equiped and many wh equiped players. Personally I have no issues with bad players in WH gear being spanked in a WH gear only WZ. THATS a L2P issue. Right now those bad players win most times because of the gear they have on in the current solo que WZs). But for most, Warhero gear just offers up such a huge advantage over recruit and battlemaster gear that equipment will be the deciding factor that claiming its a L2P for everyone is just pure trolling. Edited October 1, 2012 by Kalfear Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hexdoll Posted October 1, 2012 Author Share Posted October 1, 2012 so you take your beating , so later you can faceroll noobs? Really, you know you can fantasize about being powerful without the game...because it take no skill to roll a recruit if WH geared, so L2P is just a mask for your real intent and it has nothing to do with wanting a skill base game, you read these threads and you can see that people are solipsistic about the game. They could easily add a solo button to ranked .... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hexdoll Posted October 1, 2012 Author Share Posted October 1, 2012 (edited) doubled my post Edited October 1, 2012 by Hexdoll Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PlagaNerezza Posted October 1, 2012 Share Posted October 1, 2012 Sure as long as I can create an instant lvl 50. I have a few stuck in the 40's as I just cannot stand pve. If I can get a 50 of any AC cool. I'll probably still steamroll you in my FOTM. Oh and why I PUG or don't do ranked? Try queuing for ranked when you just want to do a few warzones. Its annoying. They need to improve ranked queuing dramatically. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hexdoll Posted October 1, 2012 Author Share Posted October 1, 2012 Sure as long as I can create an instant lvl 50. I have a few stuck in the 40's as I just cannot stand pve. If I can get a 50 of any AC cool. I'll probably still steamroll you in my FOTM. Oh and why I PUG or don't do ranked? Try queuing for ranked when you just want to do a few warzones. Its annoying. They need to improve ranked queuing dramatically. Why would ability to create a 50 have anything to do with 50 lvl pvp....you add a solo button but still allow an 8 man queue and that would improve the queue time dramatically. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antipodes Posted October 1, 2012 Share Posted October 1, 2012 (edited) If the population could support matchmaking based on valor level, then it would greatly improve the experience of new players. Unfortunately, it doesn't. Your suggestion is terrible though. Punish players PvPers in favor of casuals that play once a week? Anyways, it seem like GW2 is what you're looking for. No premades except for tournaments. Full gear instantly. Edited October 1, 2012 by Antipodes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PlagaNerezza Posted October 1, 2012 Share Posted October 1, 2012 Why would ability to create a 50 have anything to do with 50 lvl pvp....you add a solo button but still allow an 8 man queue and that would improve the queue time dramatically. Hey I am not the guy proposing my rank 80 player from having only queuing into ranked warzones, because he's to good and has better gear. If I want to play ranked only under this nonsense with my main which is plausible for me about 1 day a week with my guildies, or pug the ranked I need to have the ability to pvp an alt. Well screw it. Give me a 50 rank 0. I'll play that toon. If you want that nonsense WH = Win I want some other non-sense to make my gaming more fun. I don't need a gear advantage. Its not like my assassin class was considered OP. I play it because I like it. Deception is a heck of alot better and my 23/11/7 is pretty brutal, but that is another topic. Just let me play FOTM whenever I want. Forgot this level through the game and work. Lets all just get what we want for free! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PlagaNerezza Posted October 1, 2012 Share Posted October 1, 2012 If the population could support matchmaking based on valor level, then it would greatly improve the experience of new players. Unfortunately, it doesn't. Your suggestion is terrible though. Punish players PvPers in favor of casuals that play once a week? Anyways, it seem like GW2 is what you're looking for. No premades except for tournaments. Full gear instantly. GW has always had a different PvP mentality towards gear progression. I appreciated greater the more freedom to experiment with classes and builds in GW 1. Its highly underrated if you pvp primary and look at how much time you'd have to invest to see if you liked an AC. I personally hate marksmanship. It was so busted when I played it I will never play the class. No matter how OP they make it. Cover as a mechanic made me throw up. Now I am sure most gunslingers are slaughtering everything. 10m stun! You should be steamrolling and laughing at how good the class is. Gear grinds are positive and negative. I don't mind them, but this game has a lot of stupid grinds. Like simple improvements. If you already completed the 4 level 10's for a class. Just let us start at fleet if we are rerolling the opposite AC. The story is the exact same through that point. Let us skip the training wheels 10 levels. Can we enhance legacy please? I think at some point you should as bioware acknowledge that no one gives a crap about the quests. Just let me level an alt to 50 in a few days as pain free as possible. I hate having to do side quests and other non-sense leveling to advance the story. They do not change. By the time I get to Belsavis I am burnt out on quests. You need to give us a process to 50 that doesn't make act III feel like time in Shawshank with the sisters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hexdoll Posted October 1, 2012 Author Share Posted October 1, 2012 If the population could support matchmaking based on valor level, then it would greatly improve the experience of new players. Unfortunately, it doesn't. Your suggestion is terrible though. Punish players PvPers in favor of casuals that play once a week? Anyways, it seem like GW2 is what you're looking for. No premades except for tournaments. Full gear instantly. Yet the causal player should be punished ....If you can play only once a week seems the sub cost does not go down but if you like pvp, too bad if you a causal player only people with a lot of time on their hands should have fun? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Siorac Posted October 1, 2012 Share Posted October 1, 2012 Yet the causal player should be punished ....If you can play only once a week seems the sub cost does not go down but if you like pvp, too bad if you a causal player only people with a lot of time on their hands should have fun? Well if you play only once a week then soon enough you won't have to pay a sub fee. Matching people based on gear level or Valor is a good idea; banning anyone from normal warzone queue isn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth-Rammstein Posted October 1, 2012 Share Posted October 1, 2012 last time I checked valor doesn't equal skill Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hexdoll Posted October 1, 2012 Author Share Posted October 1, 2012 last time I checked valor doesn't equal skill valor equals gear and if you think this is not a gear based game then I guess you are a well geared player that thinks their ability to roll lower geared players is skill.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth-Rammstein Posted October 1, 2012 Share Posted October 1, 2012 (edited) valor equals gear and if you think this is not a gear based game then I guess you are a well geared player that thinks their ability to roll lower geared players is skill.. I'm not a geared player compared to those that pvp alot (I still have champion gear on my one toon lol) and often wish that there was no gear in pvp at all and it was just skill based. What I meant was that there are plenty of high level valor players that aren't very good...also gear no longer requires valor level. Edited October 1, 2012 by Darth-Rammstein Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hexdoll Posted October 1, 2012 Author Share Posted October 1, 2012 I'm not a geared player and often wish that there was no gear in pvp at all and it was just skill based. What I meant was that there are plenty of high level valor players that aren't very good...also gear no longer requires valor level. well by time you are 70 you should be dam close to full WH,,,,BW cant match by skill but can do something about the gear gap, really don't need much skill when you are WH vs. recruit .... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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