Eszi Posted September 5, 2012 Share Posted September 5, 2012 tooltip dmg 4500-5200 (weapon) 75% surge assuming i get the lowest, assuming 25% damage reduction, should be: 4500*1.75=7875 25% of that of that is 1986 7875-1986=5889 5,8k, assuming MINIMUM damage. So can someone explain how come i can only get 5k medal on unbubbled sorc in pve gear? Oh, and I have 1158 exp too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ameepa Posted September 5, 2012 Share Posted September 5, 2012 What skill has so huge tooltip damage range? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sanchito Posted September 5, 2012 Share Posted September 5, 2012 Isn't their 2 different damage reductions? One from expertise and one on your toon directly, so i guess you only calculated with one of them? And the ability could be Master Strike, but i'm sure theres more like it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ameepa Posted September 5, 2012 Share Posted September 5, 2012 (edited) And the ability could be Master Strike, but i'm sure theres more like it Master strike is channelled ability and the tooltip range is total damage over 3 seconds, meaning all three strikes added together, not one huge. If the skill in question is indeed master strike, there is your explanation Edited September 5, 2012 by Ameepa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eszi Posted September 5, 2012 Author Share Posted September 5, 2012 It's not master strike, it's merciless slash. Expertise is not the reason, did a try with a sorc in recruit (900 exp), highest i got was 5,3k Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sanchito Posted September 5, 2012 Share Posted September 5, 2012 But that kinda works out, no? 900 Exp is like 15% damage reduction if i remember correctly, and then the damage reduction from Armor which is the 25 you stated. (and then maybe a few percentages of flat damage reduction from talents) Or am i not seeing something? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eszi Posted September 5, 2012 Author Share Posted September 5, 2012 But that kinda works out, no? 900 Exp is like 15% damage reduction if i remember correctly, and then the damage reduction from Armor which is the 25 you stated. (and then maybe a few percentages of flat damage reduction from talents) Or am i not seeing something? His damage reduction was less than 25% Yes, exp gives like 15% reduction, but remember that i also have 22% damage boost Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pekoo Posted September 5, 2012 Share Posted September 5, 2012 (edited) But that kinda works out, no? 900 Exp is like 15% damage reduction if i remember correctly, and then the damage reduction from Armor which is the 25 you stated. (and then maybe a few percentages of flat damage reduction from talents) Or am i not seeing something? True but he has 1158 exp, thats like 22% damage boost. Edited September 5, 2012 by Pekoo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sanchito Posted September 5, 2012 Share Posted September 5, 2012 True but he has 1156 exp, thats like 22% damage boost. His damage reduction was less than 25% Yes, exp gives like 15% reduction, but remember that i also have 22% damage boost hmm i knew i was missing something ;-) I'm at a loss then, only thing i can think of is that your expertise damage bonus is included in your tooltip damage, which seems insanely high otherwise, but that would be weird too. Did you try how high you crit on a test dummy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anwg Posted September 5, 2012 Share Posted September 5, 2012 Doesn't it attack with both sabers? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eszi Posted September 5, 2012 Author Share Posted September 5, 2012 hmm i knew i was missing something ;-) I'm at a loss then, only thing i can think of is that your expertise damage bonus is included in your tooltip damage, which seems insanely high otherwise, but that would be weird too. Did you try how high you crit on a test dummy? expertise is not counted into the tooltip dmg. dummy gets hit for 4,8k-ish oh, and the exact damage on the tooltip is 4689 - 5424 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghostuka Posted September 5, 2012 Share Posted September 5, 2012 How many times have you tried this? Maybe you did not crit it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eszi Posted September 5, 2012 Author Share Posted September 5, 2012 How many times have you tried this? Maybe you did not crit it? I did crit it. non crit was 2,8k-ish Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghostuka Posted September 5, 2012 Share Posted September 5, 2012 This is ticket worthy. But how many targets you tried on this? How do you know the guy is in PVE gear? Could it be possible other targets were guarded or you were being taunted on your other critted attempts? It seems when it crits on any medium armor target who have no active defense, you should get 5k medal. But there are active defenses, taunts and guards available in game. So, until we know more, I don't think anyone can answer this. Of course, go ahead and ticket it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eszi Posted September 5, 2012 Author Share Posted September 5, 2012 This is ticket worthy. But how many targets you tried on this? How do you know the guy is in PVE gear? Could it be possible other targets were guarded or you were being taunted on your other critted attempts? It seems when it crits on any medium armor target who have no active defense, you should get 5k medal. But there are active defenses, taunts and guards available in game. So, until we know more, I don't think anyone can answer this. Of course, go ahead and ticket it. I know the target is in pve gear, when it's a sorc with 22k, and gets hit by my dots way more than usual (2k with overload saber for e.g.) The sage i tested it with, had full recruit, so that's ~20% reduction, had way less expertise, didn't use bubble or any other defensive cds. Max crit was 5,3k. According to this thread, the warzone dummy has 20% damage reduction, and expertise does not affect it at all. That means that non-crit should hit it for around 4k, and crit should be 6k+. And yes, I did ticket it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kariitis Posted September 5, 2012 Share Posted September 5, 2012 how is your merciless damage so high? I'm full wh and its like 3500+ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eszi Posted September 5, 2012 Author Share Posted September 5, 2012 how is your merciless damage so high? I'm full wh and its like 3500+ 590 bonus damage, 5 juyo stacks and vindicator buff Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eszi Posted September 6, 2012 Author Share Posted September 6, 2012 Most bs response ever http://i.imgur.com/nHz6k.jpg Looks like that calculating damage could "spoil experience with rich story driven content" LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL big letdown bioware, very big Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tankqull Posted September 6, 2012 Share Posted September 6, 2012 (edited) hmm maybe the trauma-debuff in bgs is applyed on dmg aswell but not displayed in the tooltip? [aunt Edith says] The sage i tested it with, had full recruit, so that's ~20% reduction, had way less expertise, didn't use bubble or any other defensive cds. Max crit was 5,3k. 5224*0.7(trauma-debuff) = 3656.8*0.8(armor reduce)=2925.44*0.85(expertise reduce)=2486.624*1.22(your exp-increase)=3033.68*1.75(your assumed critmultiplyer)= 5308.94 seem to work that way Edited September 6, 2012 by Tankqull Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eszi Posted September 6, 2012 Author Share Posted September 6, 2012 hmm maybe the trauma-debuff in bgs is applyed on dmg aswell but not displayed in the tooltip? [aunt Edith says] 5224*0.7(trauma-debuff) = 3656.8*0.8(armor reduce)=2925.44*0.85(expertise reduce)=2486.624*1.22(your exp-increase)=3033.68*1.75(your assumed critmultiplyer)= 5308.94 seem to work that way Isn't trauma supposed to only reduce healing received:rak_02: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sanchito Posted September 6, 2012 Share Posted September 6, 2012 (edited) Isn't trauma supposed to only reduce healing received:rak_02: Yeah that's how i understand it....did you check your combat logs? Could the damage for each saber be counted seperately? Edited September 6, 2012 by sanchito Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eszi Posted September 6, 2012 Author Share Posted September 6, 2012 Yeah that's how i understand it....did you check your combat logs? Could the damage for each saber be counted seperately? If the damage was counted seperately, there should be 2 numbers over the target, or 1 number and "miss/parried/dodged" text, but there is just one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ameepa Posted September 6, 2012 Share Posted September 6, 2012 My guess is that the tooltip is bugged. I really doubt that there is some hidden reduction only affecting merciless. It's true that it is not hitting as hard as the tooltip suggests and I think it's not even supposed to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
warultima Posted September 6, 2012 Share Posted September 6, 2012 Merciless Slash attacks with both weapons. The tooltip shows the total damage assuming both weapon hits. If I am not mistaken the damage is split approximately 3 to 1. Your main hand will strike for 75% of the total damage while the offhand will strike for the remaining 25%. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Asphen Posted September 6, 2012 Share Posted September 6, 2012 Bro.... Calm down Bro that tooltip is including both attacks, one from each sword....... JUST LIKE EVERY OTHER TOOLTIP THAT YOU HAVE THAT ATTACKS WITH TWO SABERS How do you NOT know this? No good job dave man for you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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