vandana_ Posted July 29, 2012 Posted July 29, 2012 (edited) except of course New Operation New Flashpoint New Warzone New Space Missions Something "big" to Space Missions Guild Capital Ships New Playable Race Just that Of course most of that is going to be in 1.4 with the new planet and new levels in 1.5 That is not mindblowing. Except for proper space content (which remains an empty and completely vague promise) that is more of the same. And I will believe in proper space content when i see it. Especially after the lay-offs. Edited July 29, 2012 by vandana_
leathfuil Posted July 29, 2012 Posted July 29, 2012 (edited) In forty-three pages has ANYBODY bothered to point out that is not only not an article so much as an editorial, but also that it isn't somebody speaking on behalf of Forbes but just some contributor from the internet? It even says it right there on the page: "The author is a Forbes contributor. The opinions expressed are those of the writer." That means he's not even a Forbes staffer. So to say that *Forbes* thinks TOR is a financial disaster is pretty much an outright lie. Edited July 29, 2012 by leathfuil
_Corew Posted July 29, 2012 Posted July 29, 2012 In forty-three pages has ANYBODY bothered to point out that is not only not an article so much as an editorial, but also that it isn't somebody speaking on behalf of Forbes but just some contributor from the internet? It even says it right there on the page: "The author is a Forbes contributor. The opinions expressed are those of the writer." That means he's not even a Forbes staffer. So to say that *Forbes* thinks TOR is a financial disaster is pretty much an outright lie. It's been said, he's still regarded as the second comming though.
HammersteinSW Posted July 29, 2012 Posted July 29, 2012 EA almost always mess up the big projects, they have been for the last 10+ years and don't seem to ever learn anything from it.... But less people are willing to pay EA prices these days, which is why indie developers are doing so well. The problem with EA and now Bioware is that no longer designers, techies and gamers have a say but suits from marketing and finance make up the higher echelons. Those are people who aren't gamers or Star Wars fans and only live for profit and pretty Powerpoint presentations. This is also why we have such a high number of failures from Warhammer working on Swtor. The suits just see a CV with a big title in it and hire the person, without understanding the quality of the titles the new employee has worked on, since to them "a game is a game".
Tiaa Posted July 29, 2012 Posted July 29, 2012 I agree with Forbes. EA and Bioware do whatever they want, when they want. When it backfires, they make tons of excuses and pretend the world is out to get them. Not because of their bad products but because "they are just so good and care about their fans". EA is the Fox News of the gaming industry.
Commomp Posted July 29, 2012 Posted July 29, 2012 I am staying until they shut down the servers, so I don't much care about the people who complain about the game nor any company like forbes.
polopopoo Posted July 29, 2012 Posted July 29, 2012 EA is the Fox News of the gaming industry. Fox news actually makes alot of money. EA just plays second fiddle to other companies.
DarthTHC Posted July 29, 2012 Posted July 29, 2012 Doubt TOR has anything to do with EA's recent economic development, why? Because all gaming companies have started to feel the heat the last year or more. My personal belief is that the recession has finally hit the industry, so much for recession proof. Forbes. Some dude on the SWTOR game forum. Hmm... Wonder who has better insight into the economics of a publicly traded company.
kidatwood Posted July 29, 2012 Posted July 29, 2012 Forbes. Some dude on the SWTOR game forum. Hmm... Wonder who has better insight into the economics of a publicly traded company. to bad the guy on the forbes article got all his research material from these forums.
Valkirus Posted July 29, 2012 Posted July 29, 2012 i have been playing since launch and i love it. i honetly hope they never close it down, and if that means free 2 play it is ok. besides they still have about 1 million subscribers, and i heard it was still profitable as long as its above 500k They are not going to shut TOR down. So donot worry about that. Expect some big changes however down the road. Or it may stay like it is basically now and appeal to a small group of players and if they are enough to keep the game profitable, then that is all which matters for those who enjoy the game as it is now.
JetAten Posted July 29, 2012 Posted July 29, 2012 Forbes. Some dude on the SWTOR game forum. Hmm... Wonder who has better insight into the economics of a publicly traded company. You do realize that's not a Forbes writer right? Thats a freelancer forbes just pays him to write op-eds on their website, he doesn't work for Forbes the magazine he's just a contributor. Yall get so blinded by brand names...
Lt_Latency Posted July 29, 2012 Posted July 29, 2012 (edited) You do realize that's not a Forbes writer right? Thats a freelancer forbes just pays him to write op-eds on their website, he doesn't work for Forbes the magazine he's just a contributor. Yall get so blinded by brand names... I don't understand how it any different. When we hire outside people. That persons represents US. iF he screws up or something goes wrong we can't just say, Don't worry he is a person we contract not a direct employee so it's not our fault. All his action effect us the same as any normal employee. If I can write a blog and post it, today and it end up on their site then you guys have a point but I'm pretty sure they are going to screen me out as a nobody, Not that every thing that say is is always write, but people need to look more at the message then attacking the messager IMO. Edited July 29, 2012 by Lt_Latency
Valkirus Posted July 29, 2012 Posted July 29, 2012 I don't understand how it any different. When we hire outside people. That persons represents US. iF he screws up or something goes wrong we can't just say, Don't worry he is a person we contract not a direct employee so it's not our fault. All his action effect us the same as any normal employee. If I can write a blog and post it, today and it end up on their site then you guys have a point but I'm pretty sure they are going to screen me out as a nobody, That is a excellent example. however, those who donot want the topic of this thread to be true will try to use all kinds of excuses to shoot it down as not being reliable. But makes no difference, each will draw thier own conclusion and I think yours is a good one.
asbalana Posted July 29, 2012 Posted July 29, 2012 (edited) They made up their investment already. How is making a slight profit, a disaster? Is it a resounding hit/success? That's debatable. But is is it a disaster? Certainly not/ Swtor is indeed a giagantic fail and there is no debate about that. Simply, the most popular IP of all time (Star Wars) in a 2011 MMO at a time when there was a great desire for a quality (not tired and old) product should have been a resounding success. There are two reasons why EA/BW wiil not be raking in 100s of millions of dollars in profit annually and that is because in many ways they screwed up the game and in many ways have lost the good will of a large part of their customer base. I call that fail and swtor a fail of giant proportions. The specifics are important and every gaming company and gaming professional should perform a post mortum, but are not the issue of this thread. As an individual, I am much saddened because I am a Star Wars fan, an MMO player, and was so tired of that other game that I unsubbed long before the launch of swtor. Swtor has much that is wonderful and enjoyable, but those aspects exist in an evironment that is so buggy, poorly desighed and implemented, and linearly put forward that the "bads" negate the "goods. Much still does not work or work well. One should not have to play a game "in spite of itself" for the few good things that it contains. I for one will never touch another EA/BW game unless it has been around for a while and recieved excellent customer reviews. The concept of customer loyalty and perception was touched on in the article and I feel that even if this game ends up making as small profit that the hit there will cost more in the long run than any small short term financial gain. So I must respectfully disagree with you. Edited July 29, 2012 by asbalana
Durasturan Posted July 29, 2012 Posted July 29, 2012 Fox new would hire him as a journalist, forbes publishes his blogs and he has a degree in economics, good enough for me not good enough for Harvard to consider him a journalist. nor any legal or community definition to consider him a journalist. nor is it good enough for HIM to consider HIMSELF a journalist. Who cares about Fox News? What does Fox News have to do with any of this? He is a blogger. Not a journalist. You are wrong. He is a blogger not an economist. You are wrong. He is making stuff up based on obvious and misinformed GUESSES in order to sensationalize information and generate more page-clicks. He is WRONG. You are WRONG.
Durasturan Posted July 29, 2012 Posted July 29, 2012 I agree with Forbes. EA and Bioware do whatever they want, when they want. When it backfires, they make tons of excuses and pretend the world is out to get them. Not because of their bad products but because "they are just so good and care about their fans". EA is the Fox News of the gaming industry. funny you should say that, because Forbes is the Fox News of the financial world. The article you linked to shows that. Instead of using staffers, they use contributors so when the say something TOO inflammatory they can cut them loose. Instead of posting facts they write OPINION pieces based on little to no information. This article was wrong about numerous key facts that have been listed throughout the thread. The kid that wrote it guesses about the few "facts" he isn't able to outright lie and distort. But I'm sure in your "gut" you have a "feeling" he's right, and that's probably good enough for you. So keep on carrying on.
Comstrike Posted July 29, 2012 Posted July 29, 2012 Swtor is indeed a giagantic fail and there is no debate about that. Simply, the most popular IP of all time (Star Wars) in a 2011 MMO at a time when there was a great desire for a quality (not tired and old) product should have been a resounding success. There are two reasons why EA/BW wiil not be raking in 100s of millions of dollars in profit annually and that is because in many ways they screwed up the game and in many ways have lost the good will of a large part of their customer base. I call that fail and swtor a fail of giant proportions. The specifics are important and every gaming company and gaming professional should perform a post mortum, but are not the issue of this thread. As an individual, I am much saddened because I am a Star Wars fan, an MMO player, and was so tired of that other game that I unsubbed long before the launch of swtor. Swtor has much that is wonderful and enjoyable, but those aspects exist in an evironment that is so buggy, poorly desighed and implemented, and linearly put forward that the "bads" negate the "goods. Much still does not work or work well. One should not have to play a game "in spite of itself" for the few good things that it contains. I for one will never touch another EA/BW game unless it has been around for a while and recieved excellent customer reviews. The concept of customer loyalty and perception was touched on in the article and I feel that even if this game ends up making as small profit that the hit there will cost more in the long run than any small short term financial gain. So I must respectfully disagree with you. Aye. EA keeps treating its customers no differently than people eating at McDonalds. They don't care what their product is, they have the MBA mentality of just making more, faster, cheaper, and wrapping it all in hype and marketing. If they keep unzipping their collective flies, and hosing down the player base, pretty soon we don't come back. Games are creatively driven things, and right now, EA is not being lead by somebody who gets that. Their CEO is talking out of one half of his mouth, about PCs being the dominate gaming platform of the future. Then says his company isn't selling stock because the "new" game consoles are out until next year. Which is it? He doesn't really "get" being a gamer. EA might survive. They truly do have issues in most every category they have. But wow. These guys constantly shut games down, pull entirely viable software because it isn't "new" enough, etc. They are like management zombies, going through the motions and not really connecting with what they are doing. Where I am, in terms of wondering about SWTOR's future, is if they are going to ride the ship down, make it go a few years, and shut-down. Or are they going to make a legit fight of it, and try to build forward.
GalacticKegger Posted July 29, 2012 Posted July 29, 2012 (edited) Forbes. Some dude on the SWTOR game forum. Hmm... Wonder who has better insight into the economics of a publicly traded company.Ya ... too bad the "Forbes guy" isn't actually a part of Forbes and their knowledge base, or his opinion might actually be worth something.This thread is beyond inane..Yes it is. Edited July 29, 2012 by GalacticKegger
Comstrike Posted July 29, 2012 Posted July 29, 2012 This thread is beyond inane.. If it is beyond achieving inane, doesn't that mean we've reached a state of insanity?
WLpride Posted July 29, 2012 Posted July 29, 2012 (edited) I think the point is being skewed. It's not that SWTOR is a financial failure, it's that it's future (from now) is already looking very bleak. Nobody expected this MMO to be a wow-killer out of the gates. Sure, the game didn't completely pay for itself 3X during it's initial offering (something actual successful titles to achieve - much like hollywood blockbuster methodology), but the fact remains this IP is a dedicated fan-driven universe. The IP is simply huge, all on it's own already. SWTOR is like a poop in the scheme of things. Still the important thing the managers should remember is that taking and squeezing from the game at this critical time, will be suicide for the project. There has to be effort to keep the game effort and amount of production UP, through the first 3 years IMHO. Anything less would be stupidity, but it appears the game IS headed to 'maintenance mode' after 6 months and "poor financial failure". Edited July 29, 2012 by WLpride
Shingara Posted July 29, 2012 Posted July 29, 2012 I dont think anyone expected this to be the wow killer now or in the future when it comes to bioware and EA, to even get close they have to break china and possibly shuttle it into e-sports somehow. Its just odd that people stand and say its a failure when it quite obviously isnt. So it didnt get 10 million subscribers in the 1st few months, who cares.
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