Andryah Posted July 29, 2012 Posted July 29, 2012 You told me that EA didnt back funcom, what you just quote shows im right. Wrong. But I am starting to get a better grasp of your enigmatic perspective on facts. Also its been rumored for ages since a funcom csr let slip that EA would be taking them over if tsw did well. ROFL. Yeah, right pal.
denpic Posted July 29, 2012 Posted July 29, 2012 (edited) Wether its a success or failure is irrelevant to me I still log and do my thing I've tryed a few new titles d3 tsw etc and nothing really pulls me TSW is actually a really good game pve but the pvp 3 faction is terrible and imbalanced numbers the map Stonehenge is Horrible fusang is ok if you got the larger faction and kind Of reminds me of winter grasp in wow For pvp I keep coming back to swtor it's still pretty fresh and I'm so bored of wow after 5-7 years I just can't even force myself to login haven't since buying swtor at release So IMO swtor has it issues but there really isn't much Better out there ATM Edited July 29, 2012 by denpic
Shingara Posted July 29, 2012 Posted July 29, 2012 (edited) Wrong. But I am starting to get a better grasp of your enigmatic perspective on facts. ROFL. Yeah, right pal. If paying for full distribution and advertising isnt backing i dont know what is and A source in EA told us that the company is looking to acquire Funcom Q3 or Q4 2012. The actual details of the merge will depend on the success of the current partnership regarding The Secret World MMO. Both EA and Funcom have shown interest. EA is looking to expand in the MMO market following on the success of it's recent flagship project SWTOR and Funcom has many skilled programmers and other assets like access to an MMO specific engine . Funcom will remain as an independent entity in the structires of EA while being able to use the EA resources and help with publishing and expanding into other markets. http://forum.hegnar.no/post.asp?id=18101983 Edited July 29, 2012 by Shingara
Andryah Posted July 29, 2012 Posted July 29, 2012 sales =/= subscriptions...seriously..if a game can only ever be bought,then logically subscriptions can only arise from sales,and thus if your profiting from sales,your also profiting from subscriptions,which are one and the same at this point o.o i fail to see how or why you defend funcom at this point As I recall... you said that EA profits from sales (true) and subs (false). All subs go directly into Funcoms money chests. I'm not defending Funcom, I am simply not allowing you to spread abusrd exploits of the facts just because you want to. Too much of that going on around this forum all the time. I don't push back on all of them, just the more absurd ones.
Lt_Latency Posted July 29, 2012 Posted July 29, 2012 damn, 403 post in one day. It's been a while scince this forms have had a thread like this
Baphomet_x Posted July 29, 2012 Posted July 29, 2012 Wrong. But I am starting to get a better grasp of your enigmatic perspective on facts. ROFL. Yeah, right pal. http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/post/4913192#4913192 The minute two EA executives, Gerhard Florin and Michel Cassius, were placed on the Funcom Board of Directors, anyone with even a little iknowledge of business, particularly when it comes to merges/hostile takeovers, has already seen it coming. I even brought it up on the AO boards where of course everyone said "Oh, no. No way. Funcom will never do it!". These guys go in, get stuff set up, then after the merge/takeover they will "leave" Funcom and rejoin EA. To me there was no benefit to Funcom in using EA as a "publisher". Unless shipping boxed copies of their game is that big of a market... It certainly doesn't help Funcom to have the game on Origin when you can simply order a digital version from Funcom. There is no CE of TSW... so unless you really just like having a box... well to me the deal makes little sense. The "headstart" tiny text is more or less: Headstart is 4 days.. all pre-orders are guaranteed a minimum of 1 day of headstart. The sooner you order... the sooner you get in.. ^^ which is pretty much directly from the TOR marketing campaign for headstart. It's a plus for EA as owning Funcom will give them a stronger presence in Europe, where the majority of Funcom's fanbase is. I tend to think that's the main draw. They really don't care if TSW sinks or swims, they just want the market. ______________________________________________________________________ need i dig up more or are you still going to willingly go on this spree of ill gotten funcom pride on bioware home turf?which is a losing mission to say
Shingara Posted July 29, 2012 Posted July 29, 2012 http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/post/4913192#4913192 The minute two EA executives, Gerhard Florin and Michel Cassius, were placed on the Funcom Board of Directors, anyone with even a little iknowledge of business, particularly when it comes to merges/hostile takeovers, has already seen it coming. I even brought it up on the AO boards where of course everyone said "Oh, no. No way. Funcom will never do it!". These guys go in, get stuff set up, then after the merge/takeover they will "leave" Funcom and rejoin EA. To me there was no benefit to Funcom in using EA as a "publisher". Unless shipping boxed copies of their game is that big of a market... It certainly doesn't help Funcom to have the game on Origin when you can simply order a digital version from Funcom. There is no CE of TSW... so unless you really just like having a box... well to me the deal makes little sense. The "headstart" tiny text is more or less: Headstart is 4 days.. all pre-orders are guaranteed a minimum of 1 day of headstart. The sooner you order... the sooner you get in.. ^^ which is pretty much directly from the TOR marketing campaign for headstart. It's a plus for EA as owning Funcom will give them a stronger presence in Europe, where the majority of Funcom's fanbase is. I tend to think that's the main draw. They really don't care if TSW sinks or swims, they just want the market. ______________________________________________________________________ need i dig up more or are you still going to willingly go on this spree of ill gotten funcom pride on bioware home turf?which is a losing mission to say I think she is still gonna go around in circles bap, fancy an arm wrestle whilst we wait for a reply.
Baphomet_x Posted July 29, 2012 Posted July 29, 2012 I think she is still gonna go around in circles bap, fancy an arm wrestle whilst we wait for a reply. i think ill use this time to swill some more energy drink
Andryah Posted July 29, 2012 Posted July 29, 2012 http://forum.hegnar.no/post.asp?id=18101983 LOL. Ummm... read the attributed source for this forum post.... which by the way turns out to be a post in another gamer forum here: http://www.mmorpg.com/mobile/forums.cfm?ismb=1&threadId=347489 I just posted the below on TSW forums, and many people have asked for sources,but I can't provide any, so asking here instead... anyone heard of the below?? Hey guys, any of you heard those rumours too? Followed by mumble mumble mumble in classic indeterminate fan forum circle jerk. Seriously... you need better sources. The one you sited sited it's source which immediately says it's posting a "rumor" looking for factual verification and getting none. The source forum OP did however get some fairly conherant rebuttals.
Shingara Posted July 29, 2012 Posted July 29, 2012 (edited) LOL. Ummm... read the attributed source for this forum post.... which by the way turns out to be a post in another gamer forum here: http://www.mmorpg.com/mobile/forums.cfm?ismb=1&threadId=347489 Followed by mumble mumble mumble in classic indeterminate fan forum circle jerk. Seriously... you need better sources. The one you sited sited it's source which immediately says it's posting a "rumor" looking for factual verification and getting none. The source forum OP did however get some fairly conherant rebuttals. Now i wonder why the source got removed, ow yes that it, insider trading laws. Also i wonder why all the execs are going bar the ea ones. ponders ponders. Going for a match on bf3, u take over for a bit bap. Edited July 29, 2012 by Shingara
Jemfisto Posted July 29, 2012 Posted July 29, 2012 Some good points in that article . And of course ! In red can be said for many developers in charge as well. In the end they can bring things around, by taking in player feedback from PTS and give players the STAR WARS experience. What feedback can they take ? class balance issues they ignore,CC=stunlocking hell. STAR WARS experience lack of immersion with having players stand around in a hallway on a spacestation.And stop making the entire game one big money sink ! Minigames and actual iconic jedi outfits etc. Badly written stories not making any sense to many classes. Choices have no real consequences. Lack of world PvP, no reason to do it. No animal mounts etc. Other then badly written stories which i disagree with, all the other reasons here are why this game causes me intense nerd pain. Although i enjoy playing it, it just isn't what i thought it was going to be. I hate the fleets (which by the way are also graphically glitched all over the place), choices just dont have any true consequences other then receiving in game mail... and of course no open world pvp. Heck, i would rather have the broken ilum then nothing at all. This game just really isnt immersive and although it has many positives it just falls short in too many important areas.
Valkirus Posted July 29, 2012 Posted July 29, 2012 (edited) damn, 403 post in one day. It's been a while scince this forms have had a thread like this Most of it is Shingara, Bahomet and Andryah arguing over EA and Funcom's relationship. Like watching a soap opera. lol. Nothing really to do with TOR and it's relationship with EA. Edited July 29, 2012 by Valkirus
Andryah Posted July 29, 2012 Posted July 29, 2012 http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/post/4913192#4913192 The minute two EA executives, Gerhard Florin and Michel Cassius, were placed on the Funcom Board of Directors, anyone with even a little iknowledge of business, particularly when it comes to merges/hostile takeovers, has already seen it coming. I even brought it up on the AO boards where of course everyone said "Oh, no. No way. Funcom will never do it!". These guys go in, get stuff set up, then after the merge/takeover they will "leave" Funcom and rejoin EA. To me there was no benefit to Funcom in using EA as a "publisher". Unless shipping boxed copies of their game is that big of a market... It certainly doesn't help Funcom to have the game on Origin when you can simply order a digital version from Funcom. There is no CE of TSW... so unless you really just like having a box... well to me the deal makes little sense. The "headstart" tiny text is more or less: Headstart is 4 days.. all pre-orders are guaranteed a minimum of 1 day of headstart. The sooner you order... the sooner you get in.. ^^ which is pretty much directly from the TOR marketing campaign for headstart. It's a plus for EA as owning Funcom will give them a stronger presence in Europe, where the majority of Funcom's fanbase is. I tend to think that's the main draw. They really don't care if TSW sinks or swims, they just want the market. ______________________________________________________________________ need i dig up more or are you still going to willingly go on this spree of ill gotten funcom pride on bioware home turf?which is a losing mission to say First. Only Gerhard Florin is with EA, and that is EA publishing. Michel Cassius is Ex EA (and quite a while ago at that). You do understand the fundamental mechanics of building boards of directors? Actually, no I think you don't. Well, lets see.... based on the EA people named, which are members of EAs publishing arm (ie: the group that distributes boxes) that looks like fairly normal synergy. If you knew anything about the hows and whys of boards of directors.... you would know this instead of contining to prosecute conspriacy theories. Companies very often appoint people to their boards that have expertise that need and can provide key strategic relationships. So, since Funcom does not have a distribution arm, but does have properties that need strong distribution arms, Gerhard makes sense as a board member. And the evidence of that sense is the current distributon agreement you guys want to make into an EA conspiracy. You are trying way to hard, and coming up short.
Andryah Posted July 29, 2012 Posted July 29, 2012 Most of it is Shingara, Bahomet and Andryah arguing over EA and Funcom's relationship. Like watching a soap opera. lol. Nothing really to do with TOR and it's relationship with EA. Yep, it's all off topic, but these boys need to be reigned back in to reality from time to time. It's a dirty job, but somebodies got to do it.
Valkirus Posted July 29, 2012 Posted July 29, 2012 Yep, it's all off topic, but these boys need to be reigned back in to reality from time to time. It's a dirty job, but somebodies got to do it. Lol! You are doing a good job of it too.
JetAten Posted July 29, 2012 Posted July 29, 2012 (edited) TOR is not hurting EA's bottom line. Lack of next-gen gaming consoles is. All the gaming developers have been in a funk because the economy is terrible and sony and microsoft has been dragging their feet in getting updated consoles out there to get people into the stores buying new games. EA is such a massive company this game is just a line on their spreadsheet. The only ones this game is hurting is Bioware's reputation. Edited July 29, 2012 by JetAten
Shingara Posted July 29, 2012 Posted July 29, 2012 (edited) Yep, it's all off topic, but these boys need to be reigned back in to reality from time to time. It's a dirty job, but somebodies got to do it. LoL im sure you beleive everything you say, and its nice you have got val as your fanboi, the guy who has screamed down the forums and hates the game since he cannot have x server lfg and refuses to xfer. Personaly i havnt been able to see anything he has said since he threw the teddy over that. But hey, 2 EA peeps put into the boardroom of funcom, on the 24th of next month a board meeting at funcom cos all the heads are resigning and EA which is such a nice company who out of the warmth of there heart felt it was so nice to pay for all advertising for tsw and selling tsw, yes such a nice company arnt they. And lets not forget about the insider who wasnt named and the main source vanished from the whole of the web, odd that. Edited July 29, 2012 by Shingara
Comstrike Posted July 29, 2012 Posted July 29, 2012 The game industry is ripe for a major shake-out, regardless of anything else. The entire industry instinctively knows the MMO/MMORPG genre is a monster cash cow in the making. Yet is has also proven insanely hard to do right, and is highly expensive to deal with. Gaming itself is evolving as Mobile and newer platforms become key to keeping people engaged. The era of single price games in a box, is basically over. Games are connected now, even if they are single player. Nobody really knows how all of this is going to shake out yet. As such, some players aren't going to be able to stick with it. Entire game studios are really nothing anymore, than glorified project teams, and only as good as their last game....for only as long as it takes launch it. EA is a mess. It needs almost total house cleaning. However, the board of directors hasn't gotten that memo yet, and it is left to the far more destructive market forces to dictate that. None of this bodes well for those of us that just want to enjoy a good game.
rickpArry Posted July 29, 2012 Posted July 29, 2012 i have been playing since launch and i love it. i honetly hope they never close it down, and if that means free 2 play it is ok. besides they still have about 1 million subscribers, and i heard it was still profitable as long as its above 500k
DarthScruffy Posted July 29, 2012 Posted July 29, 2012 Hearing the CNBC interview, I think a lot of the investor reticence has to do with online distribution and the Zygna-like turn the company has taken. EA can't possibly make money either on their online seller or by hitching their wagon to Facebook (which is viewed as a disaster from a business model perspective). EA has issues in other places than MMOs.
Goretzu Posted July 29, 2012 Posted July 29, 2012 i have been playing since launch and i love it. i honetly hope they never close it down, and if that means free 2 play it is ok. besides they still have about 1 million subscribers, and i heard it was still profitable as long as its above 500k The question isn't just profitable, it's profitable enough to make expansions and content.
fungihoujo Posted July 29, 2012 Posted July 29, 2012 Imagine that- purposefully alienating the majority of your players doesn't make a game profitable. The nerfed the most played classes to near unplayability in pvp, they turned pvp into an extreme CC, three shot kill and grind for gear fest that, outside of marauders, nobody ever posts they're happy about the state of it. They had to shut down countless servers and are still dropping in subs rapidly. 3 and 6 months subs are up soon, TSW just came out, GW2 is coming out soon- yet BW has not done ONE thing to address the huge failure of patch 1.2 which alienated most of their players, and has made it mostly worse. It's obvious this game is dead once those 3/6 month subs run out, yet BW is still not talking and still not doing anything- have they given up?
LordKOLZ Posted July 29, 2012 Posted July 29, 2012 Imagine that- purposefully alienating the majority of your players doesn't make a game profitable. The nerfed the most played classes to near unplayability in pvp, they turned pvp into an extreme CC, three shot kill and grind for gear fest that, outside of marauders, nobody ever posts they're happy about the state of it. They had to shut down countless servers and are still dropping in subs rapidly. 3 and 6 months subs are up soon, TSW just came out, GW2 is coming out soon- yet BW has not done ONE thing to address the huge failure of patch 1.2 which alienated most of their players, and has made it mostly worse. It's obvious this game is dead once those 3/6 month subs run out, yet BW is still not talking and still not doing anything- have they given up? lol anytime I die that quick I just figure it's by people with better gear. The thing I can't stand most about the pvp is how small the area's and 8 v 8 is on a pc agme of all things. When consoles have bigger games and maps you know things are just sad. And upon that list you brought up you forgot to bring up wow's expansion that comes out in September. Yes we all (or most) hate the kung fu panda expansion but none the less it will bring a lot of people in so that with a mixture with everything else this poor game is gonna have even more issues to deal with. I am just considering letting my account finish it's time and wait it out until this game goes completely f2p.
NasherUK Posted July 29, 2012 Posted July 29, 2012 (edited) EA almost always mess up the big projects, they have been for the last 10+ years and don't seem to ever learn anything from it.... But less people are willing to pay EA prices these days, which is why indie developers are doing so well. Edited July 29, 2012 by NasherUK
LordKOLZ Posted July 29, 2012 Posted July 29, 2012 EA almost always mess up the big projects, they have been for the last 10+ years and don't seem to ever learn anything from it.... But less people are willing to pay EA prices these days, which is why indie developers are doing so well. You know you can only harp on about EA for so long until the song get's old. Much as their part is in disaster of a game it's also Bioware austin and this trash game engine that also hurting things.
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