Baphomet_x Posted July 29, 2012 Posted July 29, 2012 Citation needed. And, as already proven in this thread, web articles do not amount the the electrons used to print them. /signed and agreed yo
Senden Posted July 29, 2012 Posted July 29, 2012 ye, like i said, EA backed funcom. how hard is that to understand, its still classed as under EA's banner and if tsw does well they are going to take funcom into the inhouse teams just like they did with westwood, mythic, bioware, maxis etc etc For funcom's sake, I hope this isn't true. If they know what's good for them, they'd already have the crosses, holy water and garlic out at the ready to repel any advances from EA. They already destroyed one good MMO developer and a good MMO, the less they have to do with funcom, the better.
Baphomet_x Posted July 29, 2012 Posted July 29, 2012 You can misue the English language to conflate what the actual business relationship between Funcom and EA is all you like, but it does not change the fact that other then production of boxes for distribution and actual distribution, EA has no involvment in TSW. ZIP, NADA, NONE. As for Marketing, all marketing of TSW is performed by Funcom, which is not much really, but it seems to be spreading fine by word of mouth. anything that decides a kingdom`s fate,via large capital support and distrubution,not to mention marketing is involved in it.....also the part i highlighted in bold in your post is completely illogical...as for that to be true,ea could not be mentioned at all in the wiki article on tsw....:/ for example....ea could quite easily threaten to pull its support if it doesnt like something in tsw...in which case,you might cite contracts... but c`mon baby,this is capitalism,the richer guy always has more and better lawyers
Andryah Posted July 29, 2012 Posted July 29, 2012 (edited) ye, like i said, EA backed funcom. how hard is that to understand, its still classed as under EA's banner and if tsw does well they are going to take funcom into the inhouse teams just like they did with westwood, mythic, bioware, maxis etc etc BS. EA did not back Funcom, they agreed to a product distribution agreement that includes box production. If EA did not do it, some other company with distribution infrastructure would have. As for EA taking Funcom in house. Funcom is stand alone corporation. Unless Funcom wants to be bought, EA cannot buy them. Unless Funcom wants to sell their MMO property to EA, it won't happen. EA has no IP rights to TSW, or any other Funcom MMO for that matter. Edited July 29, 2012 by Andryah
Shingara Posted July 29, 2012 Posted July 29, 2012 You can misue the English language to conflate what the actual business relationship between Funcom and EA is all you like, but it does not change the fact that other then production of boxes for distribution and actual distribution, EA has no involvment in TSW. ZIP, NADA, NONE. As for Marketing, all marketing of TSW is performed by Funcom, which is not much really, but it seems to be spreading fine by word of mouth. Now you see this is the thing, you me bap and anyone else has no idea what control ea have on funcom apart from funcom and EA. As it stands EA can walk away from funcom or they can buy them but i would wait about until the 24th of august to see what happens.
Andryah Posted July 29, 2012 Posted July 29, 2012 anything that decides a kingdom`s fate,via large capital support and distrubution,not to mention marketing is involved in it.....also the part i highlighted in bold in your post is completely illogical...as for that to be true,ea could not be mentioned at all in the wiki article on tsw....:/ for example....ea could quite easily threaten to pull its support if it doesnt like something in tsw...in which case,you might cite contracts... but c`mon baby,this is capitalism,the richer guy always has more and better lawyers More conflation. From what is visible to the general public, it appears that about 60-70% of TSW software purchase are directly via Funcoms website. ALL subscriptions, subscription plans, Funcom Points, etc. are distributed directly by Funcom via their commercial website.
Shingara Posted July 29, 2012 Posted July 29, 2012 BS. EA did not back Funcom, they agreed to a product distribution agreement that includes box production. If EA did not do it, some other company with distribution infrastructure would have. As for EA taking Funcom in house. Funcom is stand alone corporation. Unless Funcom wants to be bought, EA cannot buy them. Unless Funcom wants to sell their MMO property to EA, it won't happen. EA has no IP rights to TSW, or any other Funcom MMO for that matter. Really, so who did. Funcom lost a fortune, then they had to strip there dev team then bang EA float in and all is happy days again at funcom, odd that. and read this http://l3cdn.funcom.com/funcomportal/pdf/investor/2012/ex_general_meeting_2/explanatory_notes_convening_notice_egm_august_2012.pdf
Andryah Posted July 29, 2012 Posted July 29, 2012 Now you see this is the thing, you me bap and anyone else has no idea what control ea have on funcom apart from funcom and EA. As it stands EA can walk away from funcom or they can buy them but i would wait about until the 24th of august to see what happens. Now you are incomprehensible.
Baphomet_x Posted July 29, 2012 Posted July 29, 2012 Now you are incomprehensible. "As I see it, both the good and bad possibilities rely on whether or not EA keeps to the publishing side of things and lets’ Funcom take the time it needs to get the game out when it’s ready, not when the number is up. With something as complex and difficult as an MMO, I worry that EA simply doesn’t have the patience to let a developer see it through. I know it’s not easy to just keep feeding a game money when you want to see an ROI, but sometimes the best course of action is to do just that so that the MMO is more likely to retain subscriptions." http://www.mmorpg.com/gamelist.cfm/game/404/feature/5303/EA-and-Funcom-What.html try again frisky...your faith in a weak company like funcom is misplaced..come join the hivemind of the bioware defense force,you wont regret it
Andryah Posted July 29, 2012 Posted July 29, 2012 (edited) Really, so who did. Funcom lost a fortune, then they had to strip there dev team then bang EA float in and all is happy days again at funcom, odd that. and read this http://l3cdn.funcom.com/funcomportal/pdf/investor/2012/ex_general_meeting_2/explanatory_notes_convening_notice_egm_august_2012.pdf Funcom is a publicly traded company on the Oslo Exchange. As such all equity interests in the company would have to be disclosed. As would any material financial commitments or obligations. So, my friend, sho me where EA aquited an equity interest in Funcom, or issued a loan or other financial instrument to Funcom. Edited July 29, 2012 by Andryah
Shingara Posted July 29, 2012 Posted July 29, 2012 Funcom is a publicly traded company on the Oslo Exchange. As such all equity interests in the company would have to be disclosed. As would any material financial commitments or obligations. So, my friend, sho me where EA aquited an equity interest in Funcom, or issued a loan or other financial instrument to Funcom. Ill do one better, show me they didnt.
cipero Posted July 29, 2012 Posted July 29, 2012 I was under the impression Funcom was just using the Origin system? I could be wrong tho.
Shingara Posted July 29, 2012 Posted July 29, 2012 I was under the impression Funcom was just using the Origin system? I could be wrong tho. do you mean the digital system origin or
cipero Posted July 29, 2012 Posted July 29, 2012 do you mean the digital system origin or Yea..the steam-like origin store. That's EA right?
Shingara Posted July 29, 2012 Posted July 29, 2012 (edited) Yea..the steam-like origin store. That's EA right? This http://store.origin.com/store/eaemea/en_GB/home/ThemeID.850300/ccRef.en_US is yes. http://www.game.co.uk/en/the-secret-world-170836?pageSize=20&searchTerm=the%20secret%20world Edit, going on game just made me see the new edition of dead island lol just order it with my points. Edited July 29, 2012 by Shingara
Baphomet_x Posted July 29, 2012 Posted July 29, 2012 Funcom is a publicly traded company on the Oslo Exchange. As such all equity interests in the company would have to be disclosed. As would any material financial commitments or obligations. So, my friend, sho me where EA aquited an equity interest in Funcom, or issued a loan or other financial instrument to Funcom. from funcom`s own q4 pdf thingy http://l3cdn.funcom.com/funcomportal/pdf/funcom_4q10_report.pdf LARGE SCALE MMOs The Secret World · Funcom has signed a co-publishing agreement with EA for The Secret World. The partners will cooperate on the marketing, sales and PR for the game. EA will be responsible for the distribution of the physical boxed product in all key markets. Funcom will sell the game in digital form from its websites. Under the terms of the agreement, EA will also make significant contributions to the marketing campaign of the game. The deal terms are broadly similar to those of previous publishing agreements signed by the Company. · The development of The Secret World, progressed well during 4Q. Around 130 people are currently working on the development of the game, and the project is fully staffed. · The main focus of the development effort is on content implementation and on expanding and iterating on the role-playing game systems. · Funcom will be present at the Game Developers Conference in San Francisco during March 1-4 and will at this event reveal a broad set of features, locations and game play for The Secret World, all captured in-game the stuff in bold destroys your point of veiw,and only elevates mine...direct evidence of financial help.....a legal statement saying ea is massively vested in the marketing of secret world,which is essentially funcom`s own words refuting your statement that ea doesnt do the marketing,and so on im listening to eisbreicher on amazon mp3,im invincible!
cipero Posted July 29, 2012 Posted July 29, 2012 This http://store.origin.com/store/eaemea/en_GB/home/ThemeID.850300/ccRef.en_US is yes. http://www.game.co.uk/en/the-secret-world-170836?pageSize=20&searchTerm=the%20secret%20world Edit, going on game just made me see the new edition of dead island lol just order it with my points. Ah thanks. This is the only thing I could find relating to the subject..everything else seems to just treat TSW as another MMO in EA's stable : http://www.mmorpg.com/gamelist.cfm/game/404/feature/4882/Publishing-Deal-Clarification.html
Andryah Posted July 29, 2012 Posted July 29, 2012 (edited) from funcom`s own q4 pdf thingy http://l3cdn.funcom.com/funcomportal/pdf/funcom_4q10_report.pdf LARGE SCALE MMOs The Secret World · Funcom has signed a co-publishing agreement with EA for The Secret World. The partners will cooperate on the marketing, sales and PR for the game. EA will be responsible for the distribution of the physical boxed product in all key markets. Funcom will sell the game in digital form from its websites. Under the terms of the agreement, EA will also make significant contributions to the marketing campaign of the game. The deal terms are broadly similar to those of previous publishing agreements signed by the Company. · The development of The Secret World, progressed well during 4Q. Around 130 people are currently working on the development of the game, and the project is fully staffed. · The main focus of the development effort is on content implementation and on expanding and iterating on the role-playing game systems. · Funcom will be present at the Game Developers Conference in San Francisco during March 1-4 and will at this event reveal a broad set of features, locations and game play for The Secret World, all captured in-game the stuff in bold destroys your point of veiw,and only elevates mine...direct evidence of financial help.....a legal statement saying ea is massively vested in the marketing of secret world,which is essentially funcom`s own words refuting your statement that ea doesnt do the marketing,and so on Any sensible reader will read the announcement you quoted (which I have read before and is the basis for my disagreement with Shingara) and conclude exactly what I said. Most pointed is this: The deal terms are broadly similar to those of previous publishing agreements signed by the Company Yep, that's right. It says in Funcoms document that this deal with EA is broadly similar to previous publishing agreements they have made in the past for their products. And if you have any familiarity with Funcom over the last decade, you know that in spite of their financial ups and downs, they are and remain an independent developer of MMOs (even in a market place where many larger game companies have been gobbled up by Blizzard and EA.). Apparently Funcom has more spine in a competitive market then Bioware did. Besides, no way EA would want Funcom. Funcoms TSW is single server technology, and having played in it I can say its a refreshing change from the painful server population experiences we have had at SWTOR. Edited July 29, 2012 by Andryah
Baphomet_x Posted July 29, 2012 Posted July 29, 2012 Ah thanks. This is the only thing I could find relating to the subject..everything else seems to just treat TSW as another MMO in EA's stable : http://www.mmorpg.com/gamelist.cfm/game/404/feature/4882/Publishing-Deal-Clarification.html for al lwe know ea might do the same thing to funcom that it did to bioware...and with funcom n.v. having a stock price of 1.15,any decent gaming company could smash them quite easily
Shingara Posted July 29, 2012 Posted July 29, 2012 bap, it looks like ea are selling tsw for funcom through origin to so they have taken on the digital sales too to a degree http://store.origin.com/store/eaemea/en_GB/pd/productID.245138900?intcmp=uknewrelbanner841921342
AlyxDinas Posted July 29, 2012 Posted July 29, 2012 (edited) Forbes also busted a self congratulatory nut in their faces about ME3 and still are in this article even. I trust Forbes for gaming news about as much as I trust TMZ for tips in neuroscience. Edited July 29, 2012 by AlyxDinas
Baphomet_x Posted July 29, 2012 Posted July 29, 2012 bap, it looks like ea are selling tsw for funcom through origin to so they have taken on the digital sales too to a degree http://store.origin.com/store/eaemea/en_GB/pd/productID.245138900?intcmp=uknewrelbanner841921342 nom nom,profiting from tsw subscriptions and sales ea be
Shingara Posted July 29, 2012 Posted July 29, 2012 Any sensible reader will read the announcement you quoted (which I have read before and is the basis for my disagreement with Shingara) and conclude exactly what I said. Most pointed is this: The deal terms are broadly similar to those of previous publishing agreements signed by the Company Yep, that's right. It says in Funcoms document that this deal with EA is broadly similar to previous publishing agreements they have made in the past for their products. And if you have any familiarity with Funcom over the last decade, you know that in spite of their financial ups and downs, they are and remain an independent developer of MMOs (even in a market place where many larger game companies have been gobbled up by Blizzard and EA.). Apparently Funcom has more spine in a competitive market then Bioware did. Besides, no way EA would want Funcom. Funcoms TSW is single server technology, and having played in it I can say its a refreshing change from the painful server population experiences we have had at SWTOR. You told me that EA didnt back funcom, what you just quote shows im right. Also its been rumored for ages since a funcom csr let slip that EA would be taking them over if tsw did well.
Andryah Posted July 29, 2012 Posted July 29, 2012 nom nom,profiting from tsw subscriptions and sales ea be Sales yes. Subscriptions NO. Seriously... stop spreading falsehoods.
Baphomet_x Posted July 29, 2012 Posted July 29, 2012 Sales yes. Subscriptions NO. Seriously... stop spreading falsehoods. sales =/= subscriptions...seriously..if a game can only ever be bought,then logically subscriptions can only arise from sales,and thus if your profiting from sales,your also profiting from subscriptions,which are one and the same at this point o.o i fail to see how or why you defend funcom at this point
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