Vendettazxr Posted July 28, 2012 Posted July 28, 2012 Damage Reduction: 20.85% + 2% from Skill tree = 22.85%Expertise: 1182+Guard on me+Shield on me with 20% Absorb And regardless I am still getting 2 shotted by Operatives and Marauders/Sentinels Is it just me or is it basically pointless to try and play a healer in Warzones?If I can die that easily then what is the point of even trying to get PvP gear?At least with PvE gear I may not have the same dmg reduction but at least I have more health and my heals are stronger due to higher stats. Why waste time on Gearing for expertise when my heals are weaker with pvp gear and my survivability is exactly the same?
Vendettazxr Posted July 28, 2012 Author Posted July 28, 2012 Is the theme of this thread making stuff up? Making stuff up? And you draw this conclusion from what exactly?
Wainamoinen Posted July 28, 2012 Posted July 28, 2012 (edited) Making stuff up? And you draw this conclusion from what exactly? Getting 2-shotted by an operative. Extreme case they get a 5k crit on Hidden Strike, then 4.5k on Backstab, the biggest 2-shot combo they could use. This would pretty much need you to be in zero expertise gear and them fully kitted out, but anyway. You would have had to start below 10k health, before worrying about all the extra mitigation you list. Saying "I was 2-shotted" implies you started with full health - it isn't really 2-shotted if you were already half-dead from other damage, which is the only way a concealment op could kill you in two hits. The "making stuff up" accusation stems from the fact it's simply impossible to get 2-shotted by an operative in the situation you describe. It didn't happen, they don't have the punch. I severely doubt a marauder could do it, only I'm not as familiar with that AC's abilities and I don't know what your starting HP was, so I can't state it categorically but I wouldn't be convinced without some actual evidence. Sorry to be a bit blunt, but you're either making it up or have intentionally or unintenionally missed a fair amount of information out. Review your combat log to find out what actually happened. edit: I imagine the short response above stems from the fact that ops (and scoundrels like me) are sore about getting continually nerfed, so someone spreading stories about them having overpowered damage will cause resentment. Edited July 28, 2012 by Wainamoinen
Daiyukie Posted July 28, 2012 Posted July 28, 2012 Damage Reduction: 20.85% + 2% from Skill tree = 22.85% Expertise: 1182 +Guard on me +Shield on me with 20% Absorb And regardless I am still getting 2 shotted by Operatives and Marauders/Sentinels Marauders and Sentinels don't have a nuke, so their biggest burst comes from Ravage + Scream combo which is actually 4 hits total and still won't do 18k damage (which is around what your health should be). As stated already, Operatives don't do 18k damage in two hits either, but math clearly convinces no one as today I was called a hacker for "one-shotting" someone with Sabotage Charge that "hit for 25k". Combat log states 3.8k and total damage done to said Sorc being almost 8k (2.1k Shoot First, 1.9k Back Blast, 3.8k Sabo Charge). Never mind the fact that it wasn't even a one-shot or that I wasn't the only doing damage to the Sorc (Gunnery Commando and DPS Sage also hitting the target), I was surely hacking for hitting that one-shot 25k Sabo Charge All that simply to say, no matter what you tell someone, they'll believe what they want to believe.
Vendettazxr Posted July 28, 2012 Author Posted July 28, 2012 Getting 2-shotted by an operative. Extreme case they get a 5k crit on Hidden Strike, then 4.5k on Backstab, the biggest 2-shot combo they could use. This would pretty much need you to be in zero expertise gear and them fully kitted out, but anyway. You would have had to start below 10k health, before worrying about all the extra mitigation you list. Saying "I was 2-shotted" implies you started with full health - it isn't really 2-shotted if you were already half-dead from other damage, which is the only way a concealment op could kill you in two hits. The "making stuff up" accusation stems from the fact it's simply impossible to get 2-shotted by an operative in the situation you describe. It didn't happen, they don't have the punch. I severely doubt a marauder could do it, only I'm not as familiar with that AC's abilities and I don't know what your starting HP was, so I can't state it categorically but I wouldn't be convinced without some actual evidence. Sorry to be a bit blunt, but you're either making it up or have intentionally or unintenionally missed a fair amount of information out. Review your combat log to find out what actually happened. edit: I imagine the short response above stems from the fact that ops (and scoundrels like me) are sore about getting continually nerfed, so someone spreading stories about them having overpowered damage will cause resentment. Accepted, "2-Shotted" may have been an extreme on my part but 3 hits and at the most 4 is accurate to say the least. Starting health in a fight is 16429 HP plus the info I posted above. Fresh from the spawn point, buffed and passing the door into the pvp area. 5k is not the most I have been hit by an Operative. I have seen 7k and and am assuming that relics were activated as well as cds. But what is the use, I ask again, of wearing pvp gear when my survivability is equal to, or less even, than wearing pve gear?
Daiyukie Posted July 28, 2012 Posted July 28, 2012 Accepted, "2-Shotted" may have been an extreme on my part but 3 hits and at the most 4 is accurate to say the least. Starting health in a fight is 16429 HP plus the info I posted above. Fresh from the spawn point, buffed and passing the door into the pvp area. 5k is not the most I have been hit by an Operative. I have seen 7k and and am assuming that relics were activated as well as cds. But what is the use, I ask again, of wearing pvp gear when my survivability is equal to, or less even, than wearing pve gear? Did you come from the past or something? Relics and adrenals can't be used in PvP anymore and even if they were, no Operative can hit 7k since the very first patch came out... The base ability damage isn't there. Stop crying and roll a tank if you feel so squishy.
Wainamoinen Posted July 28, 2012 Posted July 28, 2012 Yeah, the on-use-burst relics and adrenals were removed or altered back in patch 1.3, don't exist any more, was another op/sco nerf. Just over 5k is the max they can hit for. In answer to the original rhetorical question, the expertise gear is useful because you won't get hit for that 5k. I'm a little interested now. If you could list your combat log for that sequence I'd be grateful, just to see what did happen. I'm a sucker for data.
Vendettazxr Posted July 28, 2012 Author Posted July 28, 2012 Did you come from the past or something? Relics and adrenals can't be used in PvP anymore and even if they were, no Operative can hit 7k since the very first patch came out... The base ability damage isn't there. Stop crying and roll a tank if you feel so squishy. If you think I am simply crying then you can just as easily keep your opinions to yourself and ignore this thread. I dont use relics since mine are auto procs and straight stats thus my saying " I ASSUME " So while you ask me to stop crying I will simply say learn to read
Ravashakk Posted July 29, 2012 Posted July 29, 2012 Everyone else seems to miss the fact that the OP also had guard and a shield on and got "2 shotted". You didn't get 3 or 4 or even 5 shotted with guard on and the tank in range. Gonna guess the tank has more life than you, so your life is effectively 33k without counting the shield you had. If you got 5 shotted, the average of those 5 hits would have to be over 6k...which is just absurd to suggest any class could hit that hard for 5 straight hits. Most classes can't hit 6k dmg when the stars align on targets with decent pvp gear. Maybe your tank should start taunting more in addition to guarding you. It will make even the most geared opponents hit you like a wet noodle.
Daiyukie Posted July 29, 2012 Posted July 29, 2012 If you think I am simply crying then you can just as easily keep your opinions to yourself and ignore this thread. I dont use relics since mine are auto procs and straight stats thus my saying " I ASSUME " So while you ask me to stop crying I will simply say learn to read And me informing you of your erroneous assumption is me failing to read? Hokay bud =p
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