JeramieCrowe Posted June 25, 2012 Share Posted June 25, 2012 They need to have a toggle for PVP and once it is on..you cannot be flagged for PVP or take any PVP action. This is how Rift is. I agree. Works well in Rift. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
funkiestj Posted June 25, 2012 Share Posted June 25, 2012 (edited) They rolled on a PVE server - why would that amaze you in the least? exactly. I actually don't mind getting ganked since even on PvP servers it happens so infrequently but it is only fair that folks on a PvE server expect not to stumble into a surprise PvP situation. If I could go back in time I would have rolled PvP for my first toon. I was afraid it would be gank city as I was learning (new to MMOs) so I rolled PvE. I too got attacked PvP on Alderaan. Not a big deal but I thought "aren't I playing on a PvE server today"? Edited June 25, 2012 by funkiestj Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeavensAgent Posted June 25, 2012 Share Posted June 25, 2012 Have to disagree. That second or two of time that ~theoretically~ could happen is completely worth the trade-off of a player knowing that they won't be flagged for PVP unless they want to. Remember, this is for a PVE server. And your hypothetical system... isn't that just what the PVP flag being off is supposed to do?Except that some do want to jump in at that opportune moment. A toggle would allow those interested in doing this to do so, and allow those who do not want to inadvertently flag to ensure it never happens. And there's nothing theoretical about the 1-2 second window. I can change the tide of a PvP fight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyersfan Posted June 25, 2012 Share Posted June 25, 2012 They rolled on a PVE server - why would that amaze you in the least? Why would this amaze you? If PvE players wanted to get flagged for PvP, they would have rolled on a PvP server, or joined a Warzone. I see a significant difference between not wanting to be flagged for PvP and absolutely losing your sh*t when being flagged. Before they "fixed" the buff PvP flag thing, I used to get screamed at by people for buffing them. I was legitimately just trying to be helpful and buff them, but I ended up getting yelled at for flagging someone. I've had guildmates that Quick Travel to a cantina and then log out because they got flagged. Is it really that serious? From what I've noticed, being flagged means so little. My new Vanguard has been flagged since her day of creation and just finally ran into one Imperial on Hoth at level 47 that I had a little scuffle with. I project that it'll take several more weeks for that to happen again. I can understand not wanting to PvP out in the open. It can be frustrating and ruin some places, but it's not the end of the world. It can add some fun and spice up the levelling process. Worst case scenario, you can go hang out in a cantina and craft for a while until the flag goes away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeramieCrowe Posted June 25, 2012 Share Posted June 25, 2012 I see a significant difference between not wanting to be flagged for PvP and absolutely losing your sh*t when being flagged. Before they "fixed" the buff PvP flag thing, I used to get screamed at by people for buffing them. I was legitimately just trying to be helpful and buff them, but I ended up getting yelled at for flagging someone. I've had guildmates that Quick Travel to a cantina and then log out because they got flagged. Is it really that serious? From what I've noticed, being flagged means so little. My new Vanguard has been flagged since her day of creation and just finally ran into one Imperial on Hoth at level 47 that I had a little scuffle with. I project that it'll take several more weeks for that to happen again. I can understand not wanting to PvP out in the open. It can be frustrating and ruin some places, but it's not the end of the world. It can add some fun and spice up the levelling process. Worst case scenario, you can go hang out in a cantina and craft for a while until the flag goes away. I feel the same way about the Juggernaut/Guardian adjustment. Some people are straight flipping a lid over it, and it's just not that big of a deal. Adjust and move on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
onfireguy Posted June 25, 2012 Share Posted June 25, 2012 Sorry, there's PVP rule-set and PVE rule-set. Some folks don't mind being flagged for PVP on a PVE server - good on them. But this is a concern for players who do not want to be flagged for open world PVP on a PVE server. Try a little empathy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lundli Posted June 25, 2012 Share Posted June 25, 2012 I agree. Works well in Rift. It works reasonably well, it has been somewhat glitchy ever since release.. there are NPCs that will flag you regardless, and being flagged while doing invasions aren't unheard of either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zbus Posted June 25, 2012 Share Posted June 25, 2012 That bug that allows you to be flagged for pvp when you attack a healed/buffed mob is annoying. Was trying to do a daily today and a pair of sith shadows exploited that bug and caused me to get flagged. They both then proceded to pull me into near by elite mobs which of coarse caused a quick release back to the med center. They did this to alot of players causeing delays up to a hour for some players just trying to do a daily. The good news is they got so greedy for kills they chased a few players who managed to run out of the quest area and on one of those attempts I was able to return the favor and grapple the shadow into a group of friendly elite npcs and poped his restealth with a stealth scan. But the simple fact that on a PVE server you can be forced into a flagged state needs to be fixed asap. While revenge was sweet it still didnt get me back the time I waisted on getting rid of these griefers so I could finish a simple quest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kindara Posted June 25, 2012 Share Posted June 25, 2012 Alderaan is one of the few plants where Empire and Republic can wander into each other's question area. Doing this gets you a warning then your auto flagged for PVP..you must of wandered into their territory. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Samoth_Nomad Posted June 25, 2012 Share Posted June 25, 2012 That bug that allows you to be flagged for pvp when you attack a healed/buffed mob is annoying. very annoying. we have packs of imps pulling this little exploit all day long in black hole. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wallach Posted June 25, 2012 Share Posted June 25, 2012 There is a known exploit that is specific to the Smuggler ACs that will force flag any player. They've not bothered to fix it for a while. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyersfan Posted June 25, 2012 Share Posted June 25, 2012 I feel the same way about the Juggernaut/Guardian adjustment. Some people are straight flipping a lid over it, and it's just not that big of a deal. Adjust and move on. I admit that that's a more upsetting topic than this one. My least favourite thing about MMOs since joining the MMO genre in December has been that BioWare can change the way my character works at any time, during any weekly patch, and give me very little notice about it. It's quite upsetting to be doing something for so long and then have that changed by the powers that be without my input or knowledge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scotwest Posted June 25, 2012 Author Share Posted June 25, 2012 (edited) Alderaan is one of the few plants where Empire and Republic can wander into each other's question area. Doing this gets you a warning then your auto flagged for PVP..you must of wandered into their territory. No, I was on an Empire toon in Empire territory (as I mentioned in my original post). The griefer (who I and numerous others reported) was using an AOE exploit to force flag players for PVP. I have, in the past, wandered into the wrong area on Alderaan and found myself flagged for PVP (and promptly exited), but that was not the case here. BW really needs to fix this rather glaring flaw in their code. Edited June 25, 2012 by Scotwest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yinican Posted June 25, 2012 Share Posted June 25, 2012 About getting pvp flagged. When you, as a healer, heals a pvp flagged player, you get flagged for pvp too. Thought they fixed that? I never use AOE on planets, where there is a chance I will run into the opposing faction. Also I always keep a lookout on people from the opposing faction, running around with green nameplates, that means he is pvp flagged. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeavensAgent Posted June 25, 2012 Share Posted June 25, 2012 About getting pvp flagged. When you, as a healer, heals a pvp flagged player, you get flagged for pvp too. Thought they fixed that?There is nothing to fix. Healing a flagged ally is supposed to flag you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nyla Posted June 25, 2012 Share Posted June 25, 2012 (edited) I haven't seen it mentioned but in 1.3 you won't get flagged for PvP using your class buff on a flagged player. Edited June 25, 2012 by Nyla Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeramieCrowe Posted June 25, 2012 Share Posted June 25, 2012 (edited) There is nothing to fix. Healing a flagged ally is supposed to flag you. Actually, you shouldn't be able to heal a flagged ally at all if you're not. This subject has been covered too many times in several MMOs to debate this, and the best way that made the most people happy is to not be able to do it at all unless you voluntarily go PvP flagged, too. Edited June 25, 2012 by JeramieCrowe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valkirus Posted June 25, 2012 Share Posted June 25, 2012 Actually, you shouldn't be able to heal a flagged ally at all if you're not. This subject has been covered too many times in several MMOs to debate this, and the best way that made the most people happy is to not be able to do it at all unless you voluntarily go PvP flagged, too. I agree with this. Just plain silly for MMO's to have a player accidently flag themselves PVP. There should not be anyway you can. And if it is a bug, they need to address it right away, as it can ruin a player's playing experence and that should be a top issues for them to fix. And those exploiting such a bug on purpose, should be banned playing the game for 30 days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MoltenRog Posted June 25, 2012 Share Posted June 25, 2012 Yeah....the same type one which flags you in WoW too. Totally bad design on the developers side. You best advise the devolopers on how to fix this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeavensAgent Posted June 25, 2012 Share Posted June 25, 2012 Actually, you shouldn't be able to heal a flagged ally at all if you're not. This subject has been covered too many times in several MMOs to debate this, and the best way that made the most people happy is to not be able to do it at all unless you voluntarily go PvP flagged, too.I agree. That's why I advocate a general setting toggle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nyla Posted June 25, 2012 Share Posted June 25, 2012 I agree with this. Just plain silly for MMO's to have a player accidently flag themselves PVP. There should not be anyway you can. And if it is a bug, they need to address it right away, as it can ruin a player's playing experence and that should be a top issues for them to fix. And those exploiting such a bug on purpose, should be banned playing the game for 30 days. While I agree with that implementation, I still find it a bit funny how you word your answer. Someone choose to heal or buff another player, don't check if he's flagged and it's an accident ? not really. But yes, the impossibilty to do it would fix the problem for the people not paying attention. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deusBAAL Posted June 25, 2012 Share Posted June 25, 2012 I blame both. If i haven't clicked "yes" on a "Do you want to be flagged for PvP?" pop up then I shouldn't get flagged for PvP ever. Totally THIS! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DbDBear Posted June 25, 2012 Share Posted June 25, 2012 Wow! I myself have never played an MMO on a PvE Server and had no idea that you could flag yourself for World PvP. I really do not understand why they would make it that way. I thought that if you like World PvP then you just roll on a PvP Server. After reading the thread I am still a bit unclear as to it being an exploit abused or just a case of Buffing or healing a flagged player. If it is an exploit that is being used then I think that anyone that is lame enough to exploit PvP on a PvE server has to be a real moron who could not cut it on a PvP Server. After they are found to be exploiting they need to be transferred to a PvP server with a special tag so that the real PvPers can treat him/her like they do a Pedophile in Prison! If it is a case of buffing or healing a player flagged for PvP then shame on you! Any buff or heal that would potentially change the outcome of World PvP makes you an active participant in the PvP and you SHOULD get flagged. How bad would it suck to be fighting someone in World PvP and have them buffed and being healed by a player that was un-killable? I think that would be MORE of an exploit! Just my opinion but if your on a PvE server I think there should be no PvP except in WZs that you join. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valkirus Posted June 25, 2012 Share Posted June 25, 2012 You best advise the devolopers on how to fix this. They should read these posts in this thread, or atleast those who do with the company can pass the word along. And we have allready suggested how to fix it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valkirus Posted June 25, 2012 Share Posted June 25, 2012 Wow! I myself have never played an MMO on a PvE Server and had no idea that you could flag yourself for World PvP. I really do not understand why they would make it that way. I thought that if you like World PvP then you just roll on a PvP Server. After reading the thread I am still a bit unclear as to it being an exploit abused or just a case of Buffing or healing a flagged player. If it is an exploit that is being used then I think that anyone that is lame enough to exploit PvP on a PvE server has to be a real moron who could not cut it on a PvP Server. After they are found to be exploiting they need to be transferred to a PvP server with a special tag so that the real PvPers can treat him/her like they do a Pedophile in Prison! If it is a case of buffing or healing a player flagged for PvP then shame on you! Any buff or heal that would potentially change the outcome of World PvP makes you an active participant in the PvP and you SHOULD get flagged. How bad would it suck to be fighting someone in World PvP and have them buffed and being healed by a player that was un-killable? I think that would be MORE of an exploit! Just my opinion but if your on a PvE server I think there should be no PvP except in WZs that you join. I fully support this post. Well said! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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