Marshallin Posted May 10, 2012 Share Posted May 10, 2012 (edited) I play sentinel and inquisior at my server. Sentinel is quite good at pvp but NOT even remotly OP, if i comared him to others classes. because : - sentinels dont have real AOE skills - sentinel have only two pathetic CC - sentinel are pure mele Usualy i can make around 300k dmg at WZ with my almost battlemaster geared sentinel, but i can do 2 time more dmg with inqusitor if i am lucky !!!!!!!! 600k dmg with just 4 spell and runing from danger !!!!! Why i dont see here any nerf sage thread? I have zero problems with sentinels/maraders when i play other classes. I honestly think that sentinels dont need nerf but slight buff. If you losing vs Sentinels that mean: - you dont use your CC corectly - or you cant run properly from him if you are range class (most classes can kite sentinels to death) - or you atack sentinels and let some healer heal him, so its look like he kill you alone - or he outgear/outskill you You can decide if some class is or isnt OP just at WZ performace. Sorry for my bad english Edited May 10, 2012 by Ellvaan Circumventing the Filter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dartagon Posted May 10, 2012 Share Posted May 10, 2012 (edited) I play sentinel and inquisior at my server. Sentinel is quite good at pvp but NOT even remotly OP, if i comared him to others classes. because : - sentinels dont have real AOE skills - sentinel have only two pathetic CC - sentinel are pure mele Usualy i can make around 300k dmg at WZ with my almost battlemaster geared sentinel, but i can do 2 time more dmg with inqusitor if i am lucky !!!!!!!! 600k dmg with just 4 spell and runing from danger !!!!! Why i dont see here any nerf sage thread? I have zero problems with sentinels/maraders when i play other classes. I honestly think that sentinels dont need nerf but slight buff. If you losing vs Sentinels that mean: - you dont use your CC corectly - or you cant run properly from him if you are range class (most classes can kite sentinels to death) - or you atack sentinels and let some healer heal him, so its look like he kill you alone - or he outgear/outskill you You can decide if some class is or isnt OP just at WZ performace. Sorry for my bad english So what are all the healers that are being massacred by sentinels/marauders supposed to do. I think your list is pretty short sighted and kind of pointless. Edited May 10, 2012 by Ellvaan Quoted removed content Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EugeneYap Posted May 10, 2012 Share Posted May 10, 2012 (edited) I play sentinel and inquisior at my server. Sentinel is quite good at pvp but NOT even remotly OP, if i comared him to others classes. because : - sentinels dont have real AOE skills - sentinel have only two pathetic CC - sentinel are pure mele Usualy i can make around 300k dmg at WZ with my almost battlemaster geared sentinel, but i can do 2 time more dmg with inqusitor if i am lucky !!!!!!!! 600k dmg with just 4 spell and runing from danger !!!!! Why i dont see here any nerf sage thread? I have zero problems with sentinels/maraders when i play other classes. I honestly think that sentinels dont need nerf but slight buff. If you losing vs Sentinels that mean: - you dont use your CC corectly - or you cant run properly from him if you are range class (most classes can kite sentinels to death) - or you atack sentinels and let some healer heal him, so its look like he kill you alone - or he outgear/outskill you You can decide if some class is or isnt OP just at WZ performace. Sorry for my bad english Regards who much we try to tell them QQ will forever QQ even after the nerf. If you to know who are really OP?? that would be Scoundrel still they can take our 70% of my health within 3 sec and finish me off with afew pew pew pew "with my with or without UR", UR just can't buy me enough time to fight back. Can I say that is OP? Of coz I going to get massive troll after say this. Edited May 10, 2012 by Ellvaan Quoted removed content Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RiP_AzaZeL Posted May 10, 2012 Share Posted May 10, 2012 (edited) I play sentinel and inquisior at my server. Sentinel is quite good at pvp but NOT even remotly OP, if i comared him to others classes. because : - sentinels dont have real AOE skills - sentinel have only two pathetic CC - sentinel are pure mele Usualy i can make around 300k dmg at WZ with my almost battlemaster geared sentinel, but i can do 2 time more dmg with inqusitor if i am lucky !!!!!!!! 600k dmg with just 4 spell and runing from danger !!!!! Why i dont see here any nerf sage thread? I have zero problems with sentinels/maraders when i play other classes. I honestly think that sentinels dont need nerf but slight buff. If you losing vs Sentinels that mean: - you dont use your CC corectly - or you cant run properly from him if you are range class (most classes can kite sentinels to death) - or you atack sentinels and let some healer heal him, so its look like he kill you alone - or he outgear/outskill you You can decide if some class is or isnt OP just at WZ performace. Sorry for my bad english it sounds to me like you aren't using your sentinel correctly. If you get Kite'd to death then you're doing something wrong. the fact that they dont have AOE skills is completely irrelevant. Thier CC's are hardly pathetic, they are normal, and you still have failed to show in your argument how any of this changes the fact they 1 of the most op classes. Basically all you did was stat on opinion, then stated a bunch of a random facts. I can do the same guys the sun is not bright, i have proof: - the sun is far away - the sun is hot - the sun is not black. Edited May 10, 2012 by RiP_AzaZeL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RiP_AzaZeL Posted May 10, 2012 Share Posted May 10, 2012 Regards who much we try to tell them QQ will forever QQ even after the nerf. If you to know who are really OP?? that would be Scoundrel still they can take our 70% of my health within 3 sec and finish me off with afew pew pew pew "with my with or without UR", UR just can't buy me enough time to fight back. Can I say that is OP? Of coz I going to get massive troll after say this. lol wut? can anyone translate? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RiP_AzaZeL Posted May 10, 2012 Share Posted May 10, 2012 If you're having trouble with a scoundrel or operative, you need to take yourself to the warrior forum, marauder section and ask for advice, cause right now, there is no AC that you can't beat. Period. well said, im wondering how many of these people have tried dueling a sentinel/maurader. my guess is that most defenders of the AC are people that play and just dont understand MMO balancing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WaywardOne Posted May 10, 2012 Share Posted May 10, 2012 A geared healer will not drop like wheat to a sentinel. If they don't fight back they will drop but for the sentinel I play healers take the longest to kill and many are not solo-able in general melees. While I don't think sentinels are a problem in the game's balance at the moment I do have to disagree with the "no aoe" comment. Focus sentinels can do a lot of aoe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshallin Posted May 10, 2012 Author Share Posted May 10, 2012 it sounds to me like you aren't using your sentinel correctly. If you get Kite'd to death then your doing something wrong. the fact that they dont have AOE skills is completely irrelevant. Thier CC's are hardly pathetic, they are normal, and you still have failed to show in your argument how any of this changes the fact they 1 of the most op classes. Basically all you did was stat on opinion, then stated a bunch of a random facts. I can do the same guys the sun is not bright, i have proof: - the sun is far away - the sun is hot - the sun is not black. Look at for example trooper CC compared to sentinel ..... And stop whine just because sentinel kill you at WZ .... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RiP_AzaZeL Posted May 10, 2012 Share Posted May 10, 2012 A geared healer will not drop like wheat to a sentinel. If they don't fight back they will drop but for the sentinel I play healers take the longest to kill and many are not solo-able in general melees. While I don't think sentinels are a problem in the game's balance at the moment I do have to disagree with the "no aoe" comment. Focus sentinels can do a lot of aoe. Interesting that you play a sentinel and feel this way. I wonder if you played another class how you would feel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RiP_AzaZeL Posted May 10, 2012 Share Posted May 10, 2012 Look at for example trooper CC compared to sentinel ..... And stop whine just because sentinel kill you at WZ .... is this comment as ignorant as it seems? who said sentinel's kill me in WZ's? when did whine? do you even know what that even means? yeah the CC isnt as nice, that doesnt mean its weak, its just average like i said, and that my points was even if it is weak that doesnt explain how sentinels are not OP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aehgo Posted May 10, 2012 Share Posted May 10, 2012 Don't worry,sentinals and marauders are getting nerfed in 1.3:D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dartagon Posted May 10, 2012 Share Posted May 10, 2012 A geared healer will not drop like wheat to a sentinel. If they don't fight back they will drop but for the sentinel I play healers take the longest to kill and many are not solo-able in general melees. While I don't think sentinels are a problem in the game's balance at the moment I do have to disagree with the "no aoe" comment. Focus sentinels can do a lot of aoe. I only play vs other geared players. Playing someone in recruit is pointless to analyze. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gigabolt Posted May 10, 2012 Share Posted May 10, 2012 it sounds to me like you aren't using your sentinel correctly. If you get Kite'd to death then your doing something wrong. the fact that they dont have AOE skills is completely irrelevant. Thier CC's are hardly pathetic, they are normal, and you still have failed to show in your argument how any of this changes the fact they 1 of the most op classes. Basically all you did was stat on opinion, then stated a bunch of a random facts. I can do the same guys the sun is not bright, i have proof: - the sun is far away - the sun is hot - the sun is not black. and you fail to show why they are '1 of the most op classes' i dont agree with a lot of the OP, but neither do I think mara/sent are op. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RiP_AzaZeL Posted May 10, 2012 Share Posted May 10, 2012 and you fail to show why they are '1 of the most op classes' i dont agree with a lot of the OP, but neither do I think mara/sent are op. i didnt start this thread, and i wasnt trying to make the point. so why would i need to show they are OP. the thread was made to show they are not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WaywardOne Posted May 10, 2012 Share Posted May 10, 2012 << Thier CC's are hardly pathetic, they are normal... >> Sentinel ccs consist of 2 single target melee range snares (if watchmen specc'd), an aoe mez, a short channeled stun (that is very flakey) and charge's immobize which lasts for less than a sec. Compared to just about every other class in this game, that list is very short and very weak. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dartagon Posted May 10, 2012 Share Posted May 10, 2012 << Thier CC's are hardly pathetic, they are normal... >> Sentinel ccs consist of 2 single target melee range snares (if watchmen specc'd), an aoe mez, a short channeled stun (that is very flakey) and charge's immobize which lasts for less than a sec. Compared to just about every other class in this game, that list is very short and very weak. 4 crowd control abilities is above some classes. Just saying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikedee Posted May 10, 2012 Share Posted May 10, 2012 Don't worry,sentinals and marauders are getting nerfed in 1.3:D This.^ Then all the bad FotM players that became the bad mars/sents. Will reroll something else. Because they aren't good enough to use more than a 3 button rotation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gigabolt Posted May 10, 2012 Share Posted May 10, 2012 i didnt start this thread, and i wasnt trying to make the point. so why would i need to show they are OP. the thread was made to show they are not. well you say its a fact 'they 1 of the most op classes'. So your point is just as invalid as the op if you cant back it up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord_Karsk Posted May 10, 2012 Share Posted May 10, 2012 I play sentinel and inquisior at my server. Sentinel is quite good at pvp but NOT even remotly OP, if i comared him to others classes. because : - sentinels dont have real AOE skills - sentinel have only two pathetic CC - sentinel are pure mele Usualy i can make around 300k dmg at WZ with my almost battlemaster geared sentinel, but i can do 2 time more dmg with inqusitor if i am lucky !!!!!!!! 600k dmg with just 4 spell and runing from danger !!!!! Why i dont see here any nerf sage thread? I have zero problems with sentinels/maraders when i play other classes. I honestly think that sentinels dont need nerf but slight buff. If you losing vs Sentinels that mean: - you dont use your CC corectly - or you cant run properly from him if you are range class (most classes can kite sentinels to death) - or you atack sentinels and let some healer heal him, so its look like he kill you alone - or he outgear/outskill you You can decide if some class is or isnt OP just at WZ performace. Sorry for my bad english No of course not.And i'm sure the "pvp"devs who play marauder feel the same way. Just wondering what the devs will re roll next on Empire so all the fotm people will have to re roll then... I'm thinking they will go back to Operatie DPS so they will get that "buff" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sookster Posted May 10, 2012 Share Posted May 10, 2012 (edited) Marauder/sentinals are the BIGGEST pain in the butt for me right now in pvp, they're the easiest to handle on my assassin, but 50% on my shieldtech powertech considering it's a dps race, on my pyro merc it's another dps race but I lose more often to them than win unless they force charge me as an opener then I can kite them after, my operative has zero chance against them, I don't pvp anymore on my jugg so I wouldn't know the outcome. However, I see many bad marauder/sentinals that waste undying rage too early or uses force camo or force charge as an opener. On my own marauder, I rarely lose and I only use force charge if I'm knocked back, if you open with that then get knocked back, you're screwed. Edited May 10, 2012 by Sookster Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enhancer Posted May 10, 2012 Share Posted May 10, 2012 This is looks another clear cut case of a "don't nerf me bro" post. Seriously, if you feel the need to address the public on why your class isn't OP or how to beat your class there's probably an issue, just sayin. Yes yes, I know, we all need to L2P, but now since we've all sort of moved past that fallacy, lets face the truth that some adjustments probably need to be made. The TTK post 1.2 is pretty insane. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EugeneYap Posted May 10, 2012 Share Posted May 10, 2012 (edited) maybe you should shut up, stop crying about people who think a class is OP, L2P so you dont get killed by scoundrels all the time. Like i said, i'm not complaining about Maruaders being to hard to play, ive learned to adjust to them and have no prolbems against them in WZ's. You cant possibly presume to know my skill level and assume that i cant play. but clearly since you cant handle scoundrels which is like any other mmo rouge, you're just another baddie. Did you see me going round QQing about scoundrels till now? just to proof a point. You notice how you feel when you see QQ about you favor class? Full of hate i guess That how we feel all the time!!!!! Edited May 10, 2012 by EugeneYap Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RiP_AzaZeL Posted May 10, 2012 Share Posted May 10, 2012 (edited) well you say its a fact 'they 1 of the most op classes'. So your point is just as invalid as the op if you cant back it up. Well since you have never heard this argument before, ill go ahead and do it again. (even though i know someone genious will say i'm QQ'ing) (also never stated it was a fact) 1. The ability to take no damage when they get low on health, have you tried dueling this? sure you can CC but they can break it. 2. they can go invis, with the damage they do, no reason for it. thier escapability is unmatched among this level of dps. can you imagine if warriors in wow could invis... jeesus. 3. sure the powertech/vanguard can do similar burst damage, but they dont have the defenses which doesnt make them as op. 4. Ravage - enough said. 5. freeze on lunge, makes kiting much more difficult. Edited May 10, 2012 by RiP_AzaZeL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RiP_AzaZeL Posted May 10, 2012 Share Posted May 10, 2012 (edited) This is looks another clear cut case of a "don't nerf me bro" post. Seriously, if you feel the need to address the public on why your class isn't OP or how to beat your class there's probably an issue, just sayin. Yes yes, I know, we all need to L2P, but now since we've all sort of moved past that fallacy, lets face the truth that some adjustments probably need to be made. The TTK post 1.2 is pretty insane. +1 they are getting nurf'd which is all we really need to know right? if they didnt need to be, they wouldnt be right? Edited May 10, 2012 by RiP_AzaZeL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gigabolt Posted May 10, 2012 Share Posted May 10, 2012 This is looks another clear cut case of a "don't nerf me bro" post. Seriously, if you feel the need to address the public on why your class isn't OP or how to beat your class there's probably an issue, just sayin. Yes yes, I know, we all need to L2P, but now since we've all sort of moved past that fallacy, lets face the truth that some adjustments probably need to be made. The TTK post 1.2 is pretty insane. yeah there is an issue, its the insane amount of unjustified nerf mara/sent posts in the fourm. It actually ruins the pvp forum and literally turns the community onto itself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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