Doomrong Posted May 7, 2012 Share Posted May 7, 2012 In your opinion what is the most populated server:rak_02: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mythbusting Posted May 7, 2012 Share Posted May 7, 2012 If you take a look at TorStatus, they track the status of a server (light, standard,...,full), which is pretty close to the population overall. You can take a look at servers by region, type, etc. http://www.torstatus.net/ If you're not a fan of TorStatus, two months ago Dulfy did a survey of US PVP and PVE server population: http://dulfy.net/2012/02/24/some-numerical-population-data-for-swtor-servers/ http://dulfy.net/2012/03/01/numerical-swtor-population-data-for-pvprp-pvp-servers/ Regardless of where you look, for US servers, the most populated server is definitely The Fatman. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scorpienne Posted May 7, 2012 Share Posted May 7, 2012 In your opinion what is the most populated server:rak_02: Heh! An opinion doesn't matter, you can do the math yourself! :-) A lot of folks are going to suggest http://www.torstatus.net. It's useful, but it doesn't actually tell you NUMBERS of people. It just tells you if it's full, very heavy, heavy, standard, or light. If the server cap is 500 people, a full server is going to feel empty. If the server cap is 10,000 people, a standard server is going to be jumping! No one knows what the server caps are. The *only* way to estimate the server population is to /who the server and record the population. The thing is, the number you get is entirely dependent on when you look! It's like asking when the stadium is full. If you check during football practice, during a championship game, or at 2:00 in the morning, you're going to get very different answers. Ideally you should look during peak hours a few times a week. Here's a website with instructions on how to survey server population and a way to store the data. http://www.thethirteenthlegion.torportal.com/Guild.aspx?GuildID=433241&TabID=3813820 Good luck! Paige Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scorpienne Posted May 7, 2012 Share Posted May 7, 2012 two months ago Dulfy did a survey of US PVP and PVE server population: http://dulfy.net/2012/02/24/some-numerical-population-data-for-swtor-servers/ http://dulfy.net/2012/03/01/numerical-swtor-population-data-for-pvprp-pvp-servers/ Regardless of where you look, for US servers, the most populated server is definitely The Fatman. Dulfy is tha bomb! That survey was a lot of work. One drawback is that server numbers were just checked once during peak hours. That's like asking "how bad is Atlanta traffic?" If you look at 5:00 pm on a Friday, on a rainy Friday, on the Friday before spring break, on the Friday that the president was in town, or on a Friday that happens to fall on Christmas, you'll get very different answers, even though they were all measured at 5:00 on a Friday. You are right, though. Fatman is the biggest population no matter how you slice it. Paige Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mythbusting Posted May 8, 2012 Share Posted May 8, 2012 A lot of folks are going to suggest http://www.torstatus.net. It's useful, but it doesn't actually tell you NUMBERS of people. It just tells you if it's full, very heavy, heavy, standard, or light. If the server cap is 500 people, a full server is going to feel empty. If the server cap is 10,000 people, a standard server is going to be jumping! No one knows what the server caps are. I don't know with certainty, but I've got a reasonable approximation. For a while now, I've been collecting data on server status. When a server changes status, I'll log onto a republic and then an empire character on that server, and /who until I've tallied the whole population. So far, I've collected data on just over 100 transitions. (I'd do more, but this stuff takes ages.) Approximate cutoffs: Light -> Standard: 500 Standard -> Heavy: 1500 Heavy -> Very Heavy: [2250-2500]? Very Heavy -> Full: ~ 3000 Since there are several potential sources of error with this process (how close to the transition I can be, internal rounding errors I don't observe, bugs with the /who system), those numbers are really approximations. I'm also uncertain whether they've changed over time. For a handy graph, etc, see: http://inquisitive-myths.blogspot.com/2012/05/population-numbers-behind-server-status.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scorpienne Posted May 8, 2012 Share Posted May 8, 2012 I don't know with certainty, but I've got a reasonable approximation. For a while now, I've been collecting data on server status. When a server changes status, I'll log onto a republic and then an empire character on that server, and /who until I've tallied the whole population. OOooooo.... that's some sexy, sexy stuff! And a bloody amazing amount of hard work! I don't know that *anyone* has done this kind of work yet. Kudos to you! Can we get together via email? I'd love to see some of the actual data if I could. Pretty please grab me at scorpienne at gmail dot com? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scorpienne Posted May 8, 2012 Share Posted May 8, 2012 Mythbusting... what do you think of this analysis? Torstatus codes server status as 1 = Light2 = Standard3 = Heavy4 = Very Heavy5 = Full It then checks server status on all the servers every hour and records that number. It calculates the average of all of those hourly recordings for the last 14 days and reports than number as "ø". (http://www.torstatus.net/about) Then you take your numbers Light is up to about 500Standard is up to about 1,500Heavy is up to about 2,250-2,500(?) (Let's call this 2375 for now...)Very Heavy is up to about 3,000Full is greater than about 3,000 Then use the two to estimate server population. If ø is greater than 0, add 250 (where 250 is the average of 0 and the top end of the "light" status.) If ø is greater than 1, add the % ø is greater than 1 x 1000 (where 1000 is the average of the top end of light = 500, and the top end of standard = 1500). So if ø is 1.5, you'd add 250 plus (0.5 x 1000) and come up with a theoretical average population of 750. If ø is greater than 2, then add 250 + 1000 + the % ø is greater than 2 x 1937.5 (where 1937.5 is the average of the top end of standard = 1500, and the average top end of heavy 2375). So if ø is 2.48, you'd add 250 + 1000 + plus (0.48 x 1937.5) and come up with a theoretical average population of 2180. That means if you take todays's ø numbers from Torstatus representing the average population over the last two weeks for the top 20 US servers: The Fatman (PvP), ø =2.48 theoretical average population = 2180Jedi Covenant (PvE), ø =1.97 theoretical average population = 1220The Harbinger (PvE), ø =1.94 theoretical average population = 1190The Swiftsure (PvP), ø =1.82 theoretical average population = 1070Canderous Ordo (PvE), ø =1.74 theoretical average population = 990Drooga's Pleasure Barge (PvE), ø =1.63 theoretical average population = 880Ajunta Pall (RP PvP), ø =1.55 theoretical average population = 800Lord Adraas (RP PvE), ø =1.51 theoretical average population = 760Jung Ma (RP PvP), ø =1.5 theoretical average population = 750The Ebon Hawk(RP PvE), ø =1.5 theoretical average population = 750Zakkeg Beast(PvE), ø =1.44 theoretical average population = 690Mind Trick(PvE), ø =1.4 theoretical average population = 650Shadow Hand(PvE), ø =1.4 theoretical average population = 650The Shadowlands(PvE), ø =1.4 theoretical average population = 650Darth Sion(PvE), ø =1.37 theoretical average population = 620Lord Ieldis(RP PvE), ø =1.36 theoretical average population = 610Veeboo Lunx(PvE), ø =1.36 theoretical average population = 610Sanctum of the Exalted (RP PvE), ø =1.35 theoretical average population = 600Soresu(PvE), ø =1.35 theoretical average population = 600Vrook Lamar(RP PvE), ø =1.35 theoretical average population = 600 For what it's worth, I'm on Sanctum, and I've done extensive surveys of our population. I know that at peak hours (17:00-00:00, all days) our population averages to 897 people ± 193 (one standard deviation). I completely believe that the 14 day average, including all the off-peak time, is about 600 people. Thoughts? Paige Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mythbusting Posted May 8, 2012 Share Posted May 8, 2012 Ooooh, just got the chance to check the forums. I think the analysis is brilliant and clear - and a big hit on the general forum! (Thanks for the link!) I had a slightly different approach in mind, where I was going to model the population via the latent values from an ordered probit, using some boosting-based methods to validate those estimates. .... but that probably sounds a bit like Greek to most folks. Oh, and totally emailing you now. I love the Sanctum estimates, btw. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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