Lostpenguins Posted April 18, 2012 Share Posted April 18, 2012 Our guild was trying out 16M HM Toth and Zorn and ran into a couple of problems: 1) Fearful debuff - We were telling range to back out to 30m when Toth was going to be jumping soon and some of the ranged would randomly get tagged with the Fearful Debuff. I see a lot of guides saying they need to be 25m away, but a lot of the ranged noticed that if they were between 25m and 30m they would get it. If they were using a 35m range ability, then no problem. Is that right? 2) Enrage mechanics - So we're having some trouble with the Baradium toss and Toth's leap. It seems like the leap is dependent upon one of the two bosses hitting the 70% and 30% hp's for Toth's leap. However, we were having a problem. If we're dps'ing Toth or Zorn down too much while the yellow reticle is on, Toth will leap to Zorn and the Baradium boulder will be wasted, leaving Toth enraged. So sometimes we have to stop dps'ing if Toth or Zorn is too low. My biggest gripe is that this throttles back out dps when we're trying to beat the enrage timer. Too much dps and Toth leaps before the Baradium toss is complete. Too little dps and they enrage and one-shot the raid. What gives? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FaSkiL Posted April 18, 2012 Share Posted April 18, 2012 You can stop dps and kill him without hitting the enrage.You can watch our video here : http://www.millenium.org/swtor/accueil/videos/swtor-toth-et-zorn-en-mode-heroique-conflit-explosif-premier-boss-16h-avec-millenium-65153 We will upload it on youtube if you can't watch it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lostpenguins Posted April 18, 2012 Author Share Posted April 18, 2012 (edited) You can stop dps and kill him without hitting the enrage. You can watch our video here : http://www.millenium.org/swtor/accueil/videos/swtor-toth-et-zorn-en-mode-heroique-conflit-explosif-premier-boss-16h-avec-millenium-65153 We will upload it on youtube if you can't watch it. Actually, it looks like you did hit the enrage right at the end as people dropped like a rock. That's actually the problem we had. Just as Toth was about to die, he's in his AoE phase and enrages and it literally one-shots all of the melee (I believe we also have more melee than you). Zorn was still at ~8% when that happened and we all wiped with Zorn at 20k life left. I find it annoying that we have to throttle dps, but hurry to watch out for the Enrage. Also, any ideas about the fearful debuff hitting people > 25m as well? Edited April 18, 2012 by Lostpenguins Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pure_laced Posted April 18, 2012 Share Posted April 18, 2012 The fight is all about control and percentages. Stop dps on Toth/Zorn just before they push while waiting for the Baradium rock. Rock hits, push them and problem is solved. If you push Zorn before you push Toth, Fearful will come before the leap. This is where people may be getting confused. No range dps should ever get fearful. Ours don't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lostpenguins Posted April 18, 2012 Author Share Posted April 18, 2012 The fight is all about control and percentages. Stop dps on Toth/Zorn just before they push while waiting for the Baradium rock. Rock hits, push them and problem is solved. If you push Zorn before you push Toth, Fearful will come before the leap. This is where people may be getting confused. No range dps should ever get fearful. Ours don't. Are you sure about the Zorn before Toth thing? What happened was we'd notice that Toth would be at around 74%, dps is stopped, Zorn gets pushed to < 70% while reticle is still yellow, and Toth leapt at us. Also, I understand that no ranged should be getting fearful, but they still are and they are backing way off. Over 25m, even backing off over 30m and some people are still getting it. They're also backing off before Toth leaps to Zorn. So, you're saying that maybe Zorn will get below 70% first, apply his Feaful debuff, and then Toth leaps several seconds later and people are thinking they got the fearful debuff then? If so, I'll check into that but I'm doubtful that, that is happening. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxcolt Posted April 18, 2012 Share Posted April 18, 2012 Are you sure about the Zorn before Toth thing? What happened was we'd notice that Toth would be at around 74%, dps is stopped, Zorn gets pushed to < 70% while reticle is still yellow, and Toth leapt at us. Also, I understand that no ranged should be getting fearful, but they still are and they are backing way off. Over 25m, even backing off over 30m and some people are still getting it. They're also backing off before Toth leaps to Zorn. So, you're saying that maybe Zorn will get below 70% first, apply his Feaful debuff, and then Toth leaps several seconds later and people are thinking they got the fearful debuff then? If so, I'll check into that but I'm doubtful that, that is happening. I'd like to get confirmation as to what you just said.. SO..if toth and zorns mechanics are independent i.e. - toth jumps at 90% while zorn is at 93%, tanks swap then range gets back in drops zorn to 90% THEN gets the fearfull debuff.. Is that scenario accurate? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lostpenguins Posted April 18, 2012 Author Share Posted April 18, 2012 I'd like to get confirmation as to what you just said.. SO..if toth and zorns mechanics are independent i.e. - toth jumps at 90% while zorn is at 93%, tanks swap then range gets back in drops zorn to 90% THEN gets the fearfull debuff.. Is that scenario accurate? Yeah, that's what I'm asking for clarification on. I always understood it as if either one gets to 90%, 70%, 50%, 30%, or 10% then Toth leaps AND THEN fearful goes off. That's how I always understood it to be from strat guides. But if the strat guides are right then I don't understand how our ranged are getting the debuff. I've seen them actually pull back way outta range and one of the sorc dps'ers confirmed that he just stays at the 30-35 yrd range and uses some 35 yrd range ability he has when we're close to leap percentage and he doesn't get tagged. So it's either our ranged dps are just being bad and lying about it or if there's a mechanic we're not understanding or if there's a bug. Obviously, if it's a bug it isn't too big of a deal as those ranged just focus on Toth instead, but not understanding his fearful mechanic is annoying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xenofire Posted April 18, 2012 Share Posted April 18, 2012 We have all of our DPS stop on both bosses when either boss reaches 72 or 32%, and we have overcome that problem that you are speaking of. As far as the debuff goes, it's 30 yards from where Toth lands not from where Zorn. Use this information and reposition your raid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lostpenguins Posted April 18, 2012 Author Share Posted April 18, 2012 We have all of our DPS stop on both bosses when either boss reaches 72 or 32%, and we have overcome that problem that you are speaking of. As far as the debuff goes, it's 30 yards from where Toth lands not from where Zorn. Use this information and reposition your raid. This should do the trick then. Thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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