An argument on maximizing PVP gear

[HoyaPooch]

Our guild pretty much just pvp's. Most are either working on their War Hero gear or are about to.

 

Our healing sage and I were arguing that as rated Warzones are on the horizon, to maximize your gear on the 5 set pieces and the weapon....for each of those 6 pieces you will have to:

 

A) Farm the War Hero piece

B) Pay for or have the augmented War Hero custom piece crafted

C) Obtain a top level augment

D) Pull out the War Hero modifications

E) Create your new augmented War Hero piece

 

Also if you prefer to keep a 2 set bonus or if you prefer the 2 or 4 set bonus on the PVE gear that is an option as well.

 

And not only is it very time consuming to farm a piece of War Hero gear (which I am totally okay with), now you need to tack on a boatload of credits in addition to maximize that piece into something else.

 

So it seems to me that with no diminishing returns on expertise that maximizing your gear is going to be imperative at the top levels of rated warzones. And if the top teams are going to have to gear with fully crafted sets, the whole system seems out of whack.

 

Are my sage buddy and I wrong here?

Edited April 17, 2012 by HoyaPooch

[Scoobings]

Our guild pretty much just pvp's. Most are either working on their War Hero gear or are about to.

 

Our healing sage and I were arguing that as rated Warzones are on the horizon, to maximize your gear on the 5 set pieces and the weapon....for each of those 6 pieces you will have to:

 

A) Farm the War Hero piece

B) Pay for or have the augmented War Hero custom piece crafted

C) Obtain a top level augment

D) Pull out the War Hero modifications

E) Create your new augmented War Hero piece

 

Also if you prefer to keep a 2 set bonus or if you prefer the 2 or 4 set bonus on the PVE gear that is an option as well.

 

And not only is it very time consuming to farm a piece of War Hero gear (which I am totally okay with), now you need to tack on a boatload of credits in addition to maximize that piece into something else.

 

So it seems to me that with no diminishing returns on expertise that maximizing your gear is going to be imperative at the top levels of rated warzones. And if the top teams are going to have to gear with fully crafted sets, the whole system seems out of whack.

 

Are my sage buddy and I wrong here?

 

I don't understand your problem. Is it that it's too expensive?

[Manigma]

Luckily the War Hero gear isn't too much of a stat increase and it will take a while to get enough Rated WZ comms for those pieces anyway, you will most likely still see a lot of full BM geared players.

 

Crit crafted gear is cheap to make (great it doesn't require any pve crafting stuff just level 6) and getting an augment is fairly easy 20% chance iirc.

[HoyaPooch]

No not at all. Sorry maybe I wasn't clear. 3 of us were on vent. The sage and I were arguing that to maximize the gear this is what we'll need to do. We both are about to hit valor 70.

 

So basically I was looking for confirmation that 5 augmented set pieces + the weapon (s) > the actual pieces that you earn despite losing any set bonuses.

 

Is this how the system works now?

[Scoobings]

No not at all. Sorry maybe I wasn't clear. 3 of us were on vent. The sage and I were arguing that to maximize the gear this is what we'll need to do. We both are about to hit valor 70.

 

So basically I was looking for confirmation that 5 augmented set pieces + the weapon (s) > the actual pieces that you earn despite losing any set bonuses.

 

Is this how the system works now?

 

You don't lose set bonuses, they're attached to the armor rings. Yes, this would be the min/maxed way to build your character.

[Manigma]

No not at all. Sorry maybe I wasn't clear. 3 of us were on vent. The sage and I were arguing that to maximize the gear this is what we'll need to do. We both are about to hit valor 70.

 

So basically I was looking for confirmation that 5 augmented set pieces + the weapon (s) > the actual pieces that you earn despite losing any set bonuses.

 

Is this how the system works now?

You should be able to use any old orange gear with an augment, rather than needing valor 70, that is unless War Hero bonus' only work with War Hero shells...

 

I do love the look of the new gear though, so I shall have to grind some valor before I wear it.

[Ursofail]

Let me clarify for you as i have seen alot of players not feeling well informed on this issue.

Here is what you need to do. If you have OLD BM gear. DO NOT make WH crit craft and place the mods in it.

OLD bm will NOT transfer the set bonus.

you want to have all 5 crit craft in your core slots. ITS ONLY advised to equip these items when you get the corresponding WH piece, stip the mods from the venor bough WH item and place them in the crit craft orange.

This will transfer the set bonus for you and provide that aug slot.

As for the other pieces. to truely be in 'BIS PVP GEAR' this is how you go about it.

you get your 5 core piece with the WH mods in them along with an augment. ALL must be crit craft.

WEapon, bracer, and belt. Here is your BEST bet.

Find a crafter buddy and have him trya dn crit craft a weapon bracers and belt for you.

For the weapon buy your WH weapon of choice, strip the mods out and place an aug in. BIS now.

As for the belt and bracer. Tricky one here. you can always purchase the WH piece and strip the mods and place in the crit craft.

My personal plan is strip the mod and armor from extra WH gloves i have to buy to remove the absurd amount of Accuracy on my gear. The remaining mods I have from gloves will go into my belt and bracer.

This will save you about 2600 RATED WZ comms in the long run and make buying the gloves to strip more useable by not wasting those additional mods like we had to in the past.

If you have any questions i will keep an eye on this thread.

Love always, ursofail.

[Baron_Samedi]

Let me clarify for you as i have seen alot of players not feeling well informed on this issue.

Here is what you need to do. If you have OLD BM gear. DO NOT make WH crit craft and place the mods in it.

OLD bm will NOT transfer the set bonus.

you want to have all 5 crit craft in your core slots. ITS ONLY advised to equip these items when you get the corresponding WH piece, stip the mods from the venor bough WH item and place them in the crit craft orange.

This will transfer the set bonus for you and provide that aug slot.

As for the other pieces. to truely be in 'BIS PVP GEAR' this is how you go about it.

you get your 5 core piece with the WH mods in them along with an augment. ALL must be crit craft.

WEapon, bracer, and belt. Here is your BEST bet.

Find a crafter buddy and have him trya dn crit craft a weapon bracers and belt for you.

For the weapon buy your WH weapon of choice, strip the mods out and place an aug in. BIS now.

As for the belt and bracer. Tricky one here. you can always purchase the WH piece and strip the mods and place in the crit craft.

My personal plan is strip the mod and armor from extra WH gloves i have to buy to remove the absurd amount of Accuracy on my gear. The remaining mods I have from gloves will go into my belt and bracer.

This will save you about 2600 RATED WZ comms in the long run and make buying the gloves to strip more useable by not wasting those additional mods like we had to in the past.

If you have any questions i will keep an eye on this thread.

Love always, ursofail.

 

I have - can you please explain the bold part? I didn't geti it.

[Cirdecus]

Basically this:

 

Orange gear can be crit crafting (small chance) and will result in an additional mod slot being available called an "augment" slot. You can add "augment" mods to this slot.

 

Basic War Hero gear does not have this extra slot. Since all mods on War Hero gear can be removed (along with the set bonuses) and placed in any orange piece, this makes Augmented orange gear a better choice for the additional augment slot. For instance, the might augment is 18 strength and 12 endurance. You can add one of these onto every orange piece that can be augmented, including weapons. That's a pretty significant stat increase over just the plain old war hero gear you get from turning in ranked comms.

 

It doesn't have to be a certain type of orange gear. You can choose whichever you like best (looks best). As long as its augmented.

 

What the other poster was saying was that you're really buying war hero gear for the mods, not the actual piece of gear. Because of this, you can mix and match mods from gear such as the gloves and put them in an augmented belt or something like that.

 

So go get ranked comms, buy all your war hero stuff. Find a crafter buddy or keep scouting the GTN for augmented gear that you like. Remove the mods, place them in the orange gear and then go buy the augment that suits you and you now have a BiS item!

 

I like this process, because it makes BiS gear more interesting to collect and it allows you to customize the look of your character AFTER you obtain your war hero gear.

[Tavanh]

So basically I was looking for confirmation that 5 augmented set pieces + the weapon (s) > the actual pieces that you earn despite losing any set bonuses.

 

Is this how the system works now?

 

In general terms, the answer is yes; the 5 augmented armor pieces and weapon augments will actually be very beneficial for you, especially later on when rated pvp is established. The reason is:

 

1. WH gear mixed with WH augmented gear do keep their set bonuses

2. Current augments give an extra two stat value (12 and 18). Overall bonus totals to 72 and 108 [example: Sage/Sorc will gain overall 72 endurance and 108 willpower if you augment everything with Advanced resolve augment 22

3. Augments can be anything you want it to be. (Primary/Secondary)

4. Prepares for the new pvp augments that can be made in the next patches: Advanced expertise augment 25

5. Expertise increases a healer's output in healing / damage as well as the survivability

6. You can choose to lose 100 Expertise to keep a 2piece pve set bonus

7. You can look COOL! or a total tool.

 

There is a small downside to the augmented gear.

 

1. You need to save your WH pieces and REAPPLY your mods back to your WH gear to trade it in for any upgrade. (Hopefully this will not be in for future turn ins for pvp gear) [Example: BM gear needed the correct corresponding mods to even be able to trade for WH gear)

2. Removing mods are costly. It roughly takes around 150k to remove all 3 mods.

3. High level augments are hard to obtain unless you have makers for you (GTN doesn't offer much in even high populated servers)

 

Hope that clarifies your question!

[wtfnonamefree]

Let me clarify for you as i have seen alot of players not feeling well informed on this issue.

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As for the belt and bracer. Tricky one here. you can always purchase the WH piece and strip the mods and place in the crit craft.

My personal plan is strip the mod and armor from extra WH gloves i have to buy to remove the absurd amount of Accuracy on my gear. The remaining mods I have from gloves will go into my belt and bracer.

This will save you about 2600 RATED WZ comms in the long run and make buying the gloves to strip more useable by not wasting those additional mods like we had to in the past.

 

I think you're in need of some clarification as well.^^:

 

BiS for Bracers/Belt will be simply the original WH piece. You cannot pull mods from WH bracers/belts and even if you could - there are no craftable, orange bracers/belts afaik (only drops/vendored w/o augment slot or BoP Purples).

[goulet]

i've upgraded 2 of my pieces from regular to augment crafted, but have found that my set bonuses didnt transfer. Now i dont really care cause my set bonus suck but i felt it appropriate to share that.

 

as for the optimization: you're talking about 6 augment slot, which just for an example if you went for the crit augment would net you about 750 health and around 1 % crit. its not the hugest upgrade but its still something to improve your stats.

[Sevvy]

The current cost of War Hero gear is stupid. Bioware is out of ideas, and making the grind absolutely take a stupidly long time is their best bet at keeping subs.