Jurgen-Ferik Posted April 16, 2012 Share Posted April 16, 2012 Just wondering... Why even have a merc class? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sybaris Posted April 16, 2012 Share Posted April 16, 2012 Just wondering... Why even have a merc class? This question doesn't deserve an answer, but I'll give you one anyways. A really good PT tank can do more dps than a less than good Merc. A mediocre Merc can easily do more dps than a good PT tank. A highly skilled Merc WILL do more dps than a skilled PT tank. If you don't agree with this, then you're probably the first Merc i mentioned. Powertechs will beat mercs in 1v1 duels 99% of the time. If you want to ask a stupid question, you should start there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hakansahib Posted April 16, 2012 Share Posted April 16, 2012 pwn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wallach Posted April 16, 2012 Share Posted April 16, 2012 Just wondering... Why even have a merc class? If you're not doing more damage than tanks, I don't know what you're doing but you're doing it pretty wrong. If by this thread you're just referring to Powertechs (or the other ACs that can tank), by that logic you aren't a DPS you're a healer. Of course, just like a Merc is not actually a healer unless they specifically spec that way, a Powertech is not a tank unless they spec that way either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alpha-Llama Posted April 16, 2012 Share Posted April 16, 2012 (edited) Just wondering... Why even have a merc class? youre doing it wrong The Powertech is more of a melee DPS while the Mercenary is a ranged DPS. Further, the Mercenary is fairly stationary - many of its attacks have activation times, so you'll need to stand still and cast them for extending periods. In contrast the Powertech is more mobile. Almost all of its attacks are instant. Overall, if a Powertech and Mercenary are both specced into a DPS tree, neither will have any major advantage over the other. Finally, Bioware made it very clear that it wants all DPS trees for every AC to be within 5% DPS of one another. Edited April 16, 2012 by Alpha-Llama Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hokonoso Posted April 16, 2012 Share Posted April 16, 2012 This question doesn't deserve an answer, but I'll give you one anyways. A really good PT tank can do more dps than a less than good Merc. A mediocre Merc can easily do more dps than a good PT tank. A highly skilled Merc WILL do more dps than a skilled PT tank. If you don't agree with this, then you're probably the first Merc i mentioned. Powertechs will beat mercs in 1v1 duels 99% of the time. If you want to ask a stupid question, you should start there. what what? neither you nor the Op get this statement. only shieldtechs are tanks, advanced prototype and pryotech spec'd powertechs are NOT tanks, they are dps classes, just like arsenal/pyrotech merceneries are dps classes and bodyguards are healers. no shieldtech ever under any circumstance will ever ever beat an arsenal or pyrotech mercenary in dps, thus making the first statement silly since you will never lose to a tank in dps... now as far as pvp goes? that's a different story, 1 v 1 does not mean dps... especially considering the mitigation of tanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tremont Posted April 16, 2012 Share Posted April 16, 2012 This question doesn't deserve an answer, but I'll give you one anyways. A really good PT tank can do more dps than a less than good Merc. A mediocre Merc can easily do more dps than a good PT tank. A highly skilled Merc WILL do more dps than a skilled PT tank. If you don't agree with this, then you're probably the first Merc i mentioned. Powertechs will beat mercs in 1v1 duels 99% of the time. If you want to ask a stupid question, you should start there. This is correct. The only time I do more DPS than a Merc is if the Merc is stopping to throw down some heals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Splaktar Posted April 16, 2012 Share Posted April 16, 2012 Why do tanks do more DPS than mercs? Just wondering... Why even have a merc class? They don't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redat Posted April 17, 2012 Share Posted April 17, 2012 If you want to ask a stupid question, you should start there. Sir there is no such thing as a stupid question, only stupid answers. Way to go helping someone looking for advice.......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurgen-Ferik Posted April 18, 2012 Author Share Posted April 18, 2012 http://www.swtor.com/community/showthread.php?t=417477 everybody in this thread disagrees. Are you all stupid? Slow members of the class? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pwnyride Posted April 18, 2012 Share Posted April 18, 2012 (edited) http://www.swtor.com/community/showthread.php?t=417477 everybody in this thread disagrees. Are you all stupid? Slow members of the class? That thread is talking about pyro speced powertechs, which are far from tanks. Powertechs are a bountyhunter class that is able to gear and spec as a tank, but that doesnt mean that every powertech is a tank. Based on that logic, Mercs are healers, so this thread shoulda been titled "Why do tanks do more DPS than healers?" A pyro speced powertech has no more dmg mitigation than a pyro speced merc. You should understand what your talking about before you ridicule people on the forums. The difference people talk about PTs being better than mercs in pvp is how mobile they are and that all of their abilites are instant cast so they are uninteruptble and end doing very well in pvp. Edited April 18, 2012 by Pwnyride Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarthVallik Posted April 18, 2012 Share Posted April 18, 2012 (edited) http://www.swtor.com/community/showthread.php?t=417477 everybody in this thread disagrees. Are you all stupid? Slow members of the class? u dont know much about this game do you? every class has multiple roles MY PT PYRO spec has less durability than my arsenal merc (5% dmg shield from tracer) a PYRO PT will do more dmg than a merc in PVP Merc does more in PVE but that PYRO pt is super squishy no shield no armor booste a PYRO PT is no more of a tank than a full madness spec sin or rage spec jugg just because they can tank dosnt mean everyone is a tank a merc can heal does that mean u as a "healer" can do as much or more dmg than a Madness sin? really..... Edited April 18, 2012 by DarthVallik Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TalkingDinosaur Posted April 18, 2012 Share Posted April 18, 2012 This question doesn't deserve an answer, but I'll give you one anyways. A really good PT tank can do more dps than a less than good Merc. A mediocre Merc can easily do more dps than a good PT tank. A highly skilled Merc WILL do more dps than a skilled PT tank. If you don't agree with this, then you're probably the first Merc i mentioned. Powertechs will beat mercs in 1v1 duels 99% of the time. If you want to ask a stupid question, you should start there. $5 he TM spams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TempestasSilva Posted April 18, 2012 Share Posted April 18, 2012 http://www.swtor.com/community/showthread.php?t=417477 everybody in this thread disagrees. Are you all stupid? Slow members of the class? Since the answer was in previous posts which you obviously do not comprehend and the subsequent posts are not helpful, let me make an honest attempt at helping you. The thread you reference is talking about Mercenary/Pyrotech vs Powertech/Pyrotech. Pyrotech is the common tree between both Bounty Hunter Advanced Classes. Both are DPS classes, however since Mercenary is a Ranged class and Powertech is a melee class, there are subtle differences between them. Because of the differences, a Powertech/Pyrotech is generally considered better than a Mercenary/Pyrotech. The best way to think of it is that Bounty Hunter really has 6 classes (its really 3 trees within each advanced class). There is 1 Healer, 2 Ranged DPS, 2 Melee DPS, and a Tank. Therefore, your comparison of a tank doing more DPS than a merc is flawed and that's why people are making fun of you. The Tank is a Powertech/ShieldTech. Powertech/Pyrotech is a (melee) DPS. So the question you should have asked is why is a Powertech/Pyrotech better than a Mercenary/Pyrotech and I gave a general answer above, but people could provide exact details. Mercenary/Pyrotech will aways do better DPS than the tank (Powertech/ShieldTech) I hope that is clear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bahdasz Posted April 18, 2012 Share Posted April 18, 2012 I don't know how a merc stacking aim, power, crit and surge could possibly NOT outdamage a tank stacking endurance, shield, absorbtion and defense. You are doing something horribly horribly badly wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sybaris Posted April 19, 2012 Share Posted April 19, 2012 (edited) http://www.swtor.com/community/showthread.php?t=417477 everybody in this thread disagrees. Are you all stupid? Slow members of the class? Why are you linking more stupid questions? Hey guys, who is better for pvp, a marauder or a Jugg? Hey guys, what's the best class to play? Hey guys, I'm too lazy to figure things out for myself so I'm gonna ask a poorly worded, generic question that couldn't possibly be answered without a complete break down of basic game mechanics. So yes there are stupid questions, and they can be asked by anybody. And if you don't understand an answer, it's because you don't understand the basics. If you think all the answers conflict each other, when they in fact say the same thing, then maybe they aren't the "stupid" ones. Edited April 19, 2012 by Sybaris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NefNef Posted April 19, 2012 Share Posted April 19, 2012 $5 he TM spams. Actually he doesn't, hes pyro spec. The issue Jurgen, is exactly what is brought up in the thread you linked to. You aren't mobile. Therefor, in situations requiring mobility, you are teh suck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azrienov Posted April 19, 2012 Share Posted April 19, 2012 youre doing it wrong The Powertech is more of a melee DPS while the Mercenary is a ranged DPS. Further, the Mercenary is fairly stationary - many of its attacks have activation times, so you'll need to stand still and cast them for extending periods. In contrast the Powertech is more mobile. Almost all of its attacks are instant. Overall, if a Powertech and Mercenary are both specced into a DPS tree, neither will have any major advantage over the other. Finally, Bioware made it very clear that it wants all DPS trees for every AC to be within 5% DPS of one another. In what application? PvE, or PvP? Because in PvP, a pyro powertech will crush anything and anyone. Tanks, DPS, healers. It doesn't matter. You don't even have to be any good, you just have to spam railshot and keep the DoTs on. I know PTs that never even use thermal detonator, and are just terrible. They won't be taken on raids because they aren't able to follow directions, and never get into premades. But in pvp, they are carried by a class that has the best synergy in the game. You say "5% of one another." I say: In what situation? That statistic is worthless to me. If that WERE the case, then they'd never have to change anything. Note: They've changed ALOT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yazule Posted April 19, 2012 Share Posted April 19, 2012 Since the answer was in previous posts which you obviously do not comprehend and the subsequent posts are not helpful, let me make an honest attempt at helping you. The thread you reference is talking about Mercenary/Pyrotech vs Powertech/Pyrotech. Pyrotech is the common tree between both Bounty Hunter Advanced Classes. Both are DPS classes, however since Mercenary is a Ranged class and Powertech is a melee class, there are subtle differences between them. Because of the differences, a Powertech/Pyrotech is generally considered better than a Mercenary/Pyrotech. The best way to think of it is that Bounty Hunter really has 6 classes (its really 3 trees within each advanced class). There is 1 Healer, 2 Ranged DPS, 2 Melee DPS, and a Tank. Therefore, your comparison of a tank doing more DPS than a merc is flawed and that's why people are making fun of you. The Tank is a Powertech/ShieldTech. Powertech/Pyrotech is a (melee) DPS. So the question you should have asked is why is a Powertech/Pyrotech better than a Mercenary/Pyrotech and I gave a general answer above, but people could provide exact details. Mercenary/Pyrotech will aways do better DPS than the tank (Powertech/ShieldTech) I hope that is clear. dude your skin must be 2 inches thick, props to you being nice to annoying people lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MisterWiseGuy Posted April 19, 2012 Share Posted April 19, 2012 (edited) I don't know how a merc stacking aim, power, crit and surge could possibly NOT outdamage a tank stacking endurance, shield, absorbtion and defense. You are doing something horribly horribly badly wrong. Could be on a low pop server with a bad GTN. Merc stock dps mods totally suck now. Its better to scalp them off the freaking healer set, or the sniper dps sets. Edited April 19, 2012 by MisterWiseGuy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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