Cortux Posted April 16, 2012 Share Posted April 16, 2012 Sorry but serious thought needs to be given to tanks in PvP. That much mitigation, with their damage output is completely retarded. No way should any tank be able to kill something 1v1, sorry its just the way it should be. If their mitigation & damage output remains the same, you have to neuter their cooldowns. Or you can do it the easy way & just not allow any spec with an abundance of tank talent choices into PvP with the rest of us. Or maybe let them play an all tank match, they will love that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bivsw Posted April 16, 2012 Share Posted April 16, 2012 Dude, what are you smoking? I have BH tank with mostly BM gear and I can't kill even utterly undergeared dps ... Not to mention, I get killed in 1v1 pretty much by every class ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ImariKurumi Posted April 16, 2012 Share Posted April 16, 2012 (edited) I'd second that. In 1.2 heals dont matter, tanks dont matter. DPS owns all. Guard is close to useless, healing is redundant. Tactics and startegies are a thing of the past, you dont need to be skilled or smart to win. Just blindly dps will do. Having more DPS wins games. Edited April 16, 2012 by ImariKurumi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SajPl Posted April 16, 2012 Share Posted April 16, 2012 No way should any tank be able to kill something 1v1, sorry its just the way it should be. Why? Because you said that ? Well maby remove remove their ability to shoot altogether or better yet L2P. Actually wait, give tanks only the primary attack but all DPS should have no armor and 1 health point, sounds good ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kronomandar Posted April 16, 2012 Share Posted April 16, 2012 No way should any tank be able to kill something 1v1, sorry its just the way it should be. name for me even just one game where a tank cant 1v1 something. a tank should have just as much chance winning a 1v1 as any other role. i think this is a case of you just being bad and wanting a defenceless puppy you can kick from time to time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gofortheko Posted April 16, 2012 Share Posted April 16, 2012 You sir are smoking crack. Pre 1.2 I ran in my defensive stance (ion cell) with BM DPS gear. I used to be able to stand up and compete against other classes, like Marauders/sents now I just fail, they killed one of the only viably tank hybrid specs, and replaced it with a bunch of meh. Defense is effectively dead, roll dps or go home. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pwnshoppe Posted April 16, 2012 Share Posted April 16, 2012 My BM geared tank gets killed in about 5-6 globals by at least 3 AC's. If you are having issues, its probably a l2p kinda thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth_Acherus Posted April 16, 2012 Share Posted April 16, 2012 Sorry but serious thought needs to be given to tanks in PvP. That much mitigation, with their damage output is completely retarded. No way should any tank be able to kill something 1v1, sorry its just the way it should be. If their mitigation & damage output remains the same, you have to neuter their cooldowns. Or you can do it the easy way & just not allow any spec with an abundance of tank talent choices into PvP with the rest of us. Or maybe let them play an all tank match, they will love that. You on Dark Reaper? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dougan Posted April 16, 2012 Share Posted April 16, 2012 Wow, what won't people QQ about? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Navaris Posted April 16, 2012 Share Posted April 16, 2012 Wow, what won't people QQ about? A buff to their class. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neoforcer Posted April 16, 2012 Share Posted April 16, 2012 (edited) Sorry but serious thought needs to be given to tanks in PvP. That much mitigation, with their damage output is completely retarded. No way should any tank be able to kill something 1v1, sorry its just the way it should be. If their mitigation & damage output remains the same, you have to neuter their cooldowns. Or you can do it the easy way & just not allow any spec with an abundance of tank talent choices into PvP with the rest of us. Or maybe let them play an all tank match, they will love that. Let me fix this for you. I want to be able to kill anyone with better skill 1v1. No one should be able to kill me i am god at dps. This need to change nerf every one so i can kill them ty. Now for the fact this game is not made for 1v1 in pvp the balance is for group play. You really need to l2p you can kill a tank if you learn how and yes i am a tank i know that i not invincible i can be killed Edited April 16, 2012 by Neoforcer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMCH Posted April 16, 2012 Share Posted April 16, 2012 PvP tanks are no more tanks in 1.2, don't know why but even with all of your defensive boosts up you die so fast... Before 1.2, with 30% hp boost, defense boost (which went from 2" immunity to 1" almost full immunity?) and damage reduction up, you could stand there with 4-5 ennemies on you without taking too much damage 12" each 3', so you could tank in fact. Now, it's no longer the case and only "damage!!!" counts, that's not an improvement at all. Funny enough, sents/mara seem to have been less nerfed defensive-wise, I consistently see them taking less than 10 damage a hit. The only way to negate a sent/mara and perhaps a damage dealer specced guardian/juggernaut is to CC them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaisernick Posted April 16, 2012 Share Posted April 16, 2012 funny my guardian is pretty good in pvp ive gotten some good kills even against fellow sentinals and merad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Britneyfears Posted April 16, 2012 Share Posted April 16, 2012 Sorry but serious thought needs to be given to tanks in PvP. That much mitigation, with their damage output is completely retarded. No way should any tank be able to kill something 1v1, sorry its just the way it should be. If their mitigation & damage output remains the same, you have to neuter their cooldowns. Or you can do it the easy way & just not allow any spec with an abundance of tank talent choices into PvP with the rest of us. Or maybe let them play an all tank match, they will love that. With this patch, complaining about tanks? You have got to be kidding me. Tankspecs are easier to kill then ever! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kweassa Posted April 16, 2012 Share Posted April 16, 2012 (edited) Sent/Maras are mostly OK, except a certain mix of Watchman/Annihilation and Combat/Carnage sort of creates a "your defenses don't mean anything" level of performance for most tanks. All the extra internal/elemental damage hurts by itself, and being coupled with 100% armour penetration debuff that is on you for around half of the time makes life tough for many tanks. Pre-1.2, I honestly think real defensive tanks did well enough, but now, its high time tanks got some buffs of their own - in the defensive performance of course, and especially for Defense/Immortal Guard/Juggs. Tanks don't need any more buffs in damage. Personally, Soresu needs to be buffed up at least double its current performance. Compared to the almost linear increase in damage capability with better gear, the increase in defensive capabilities is now abysmal at best. Edited April 16, 2012 by kweassa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweeet Posted April 16, 2012 Share Posted April 16, 2012 (edited) What people are crying about are BM Assassin/Shadows. If they get the tanking BM set, for the tanking set bonus', and swap the mods/enhancements out for the mods/enhancements in the BM DPS set, they become unstoppable killing machines. It's just an abuse of game mechanics that allows them to have very decent survivability whilst still putting out a tone of damage. Luckily these players are far and few between, but now I've just let the cat out of the bag, expect to see a lot more very soon Edited April 16, 2012 by Sweeet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drudenfusz Posted April 16, 2012 Share Posted April 16, 2012 (edited) What people are crying about are BM Assassin/Shadows. If they get the tanking BM set, for the tanking set bonus', and swap the mods/enhancements out for the mods/enhancements in the BM DPS set, they become unstoppable killing machines. It's just an abuse of game mechanics that allows them to have very decent survivability whilst still putting out a tone of damage. Luckily these players are far and few between, but now I've just let the cat out of the bag, expect to see a lot more very soon I am already doin' this, and in most warzones I see at least one other doing this on my side (had once a team with more than the half doing it) and the opponents doing it as well. Everybody already new that, so nothing new here. Edited April 16, 2012 by Drudenfusz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweeet Posted April 16, 2012 Share Posted April 16, 2012 (edited) I am already doin this, and in most warzones I see at least one other doing this on my side (had once a team with more than the half doing it) and the opponents doing it as well. Everybody already new that, so nothing new here. Well if it's nothing new, then clearly this must be what everyone has been crying about for so long when complaining about Assassin/Shadow tanks. I only heard about what was actually being done recently though. Edited April 16, 2012 by Sweeet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMCH Posted April 16, 2012 Share Posted April 16, 2012 (edited) Well if it's nothing new, then clearly this must be what everyone has been crying about for so long when complaining about Assassin/Shadow tanks. I only heard about what was actually being done recently though. Juggernauts/Guardians did the exact same, except some which wanted to be PvP tanks. I have a champ saber with a champ shield just because defensive stats on them are even better than WH (shield because of that only as some <5% damage reduction overall from the shield itself is a joke, tbh), that should be some sort of hint about where we are in terms of balance... Edited April 16, 2012 by JMCH Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
origional Posted April 16, 2012 Share Posted April 16, 2012 Sorry but serious thought needs to be given to tanks in PvP. That much mitigation, with their damage output is completely retarded. No way should any tank be able to kill something 1v1, sorry its just the way it should be. If their mitigation & damage output remains the same, you have to neuter their cooldowns. Or you can do it the easy way & just not allow any spec with an abundance of tank talent choices into PvP with the rest of us. Or maybe let them play an all tank match, they will love that. Anyone, hang on i'll say it again, ANYONE, should be able to kill anyone else one on one. Thats balance. Thats what game designers should be looking for, a class system that is balanced and competative, not one that is purely rock paper scissors. Also, Tanks are awful right now. Their survivability has gone out the window. Try running the ball in huttball. Stun lock and death in 5 seconds. We are taking 4 and 5K crits in full battle master gear and the guys still in centurion and champion are taking 7K hits. ON A TANK. Not cool. Damage? roflmao. I'm seeing SINGLE FIGURE damage on some attacks at the moment. Try getting through a bubble? yeah ok, use up all your heavy abilities just to get a few hundred damage points, and against a healer. They dont just roflstomp you, they go off and make a cup off tea and an egg sandwich whilst your trying to get past the absorn absorb absorb. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riogha Posted April 16, 2012 Share Posted April 16, 2012 Sorry but serious thought needs to be given to tanks in PvP. That much mitigation, with their damage output is completely retarded. No way should any tank be able to kill something 1v1, sorry its just the way it should be. If their mitigation & damage output remains the same, you have to neuter their cooldowns. Or you can do it the easy way & just not allow any spec with an abundance of tank talent choices into PvP with the rest of us. Or maybe let them play an all tank match, they will love that. i just lol'd, Obvious troll. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daxun Posted April 16, 2012 Share Posted April 16, 2012 Sorry but serious thought needs to be given to tanks in PvP. That much mitigation, with their damage output is completely retarded. No way should any tank be able to kill something 1v1, sorry its just the way it should be. If their mitigation & damage output remains the same, you have to neuter their cooldowns. Or you can do it the easy way & just not allow any spec with an abundance of tank talent choices into PvP with the rest of us. Or maybe let them play an all tank match, they will love that. This made me spit my coffee onto my computer screen. The OP is funny! Seriously tho... if you're getting "owned" by these tanks they're probably not tanks at all. I'm willing to bet they don't have tank gear and don't have very many points in the tank tree if any. "That much mitigation" that you speak of just isn't true. Tank stats are almost useless. Expertise, heals and more HP are about all that makes you last longer in this game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
upzie Posted April 16, 2012 Share Posted April 16, 2012 yes buff me !! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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