Dyox Posted April 15, 2012 Share Posted April 15, 2012 Sick of ppl leaving wzs just for me to queue up, take their place and enter a losing wz just for it to end a couple minutes later and i get NO REWARDS.. That means NOTHING for my time to help a losing team. NO VALOR NO COMMS NO CREDITS NO EXPERIENCE Yes im QQing. Because its BS. You want ppl to quit pvp'ing? You're doing a good job at it BW. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SveNnes Posted April 15, 2012 Share Posted April 15, 2012 agreed, atleast make it a minimum of rewards or something, getting 0 is ********.. People leaving warzones was a big enough problem before 1.2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ealhdun Posted April 15, 2012 Share Posted April 15, 2012 you get your reward as long as you have at least 3 medals... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gradimus Posted April 15, 2012 Share Posted April 15, 2012 Agreed. Also, what's with this new medals system? 250 Valor and 5 Comms per medal up to 8? Why not just keep it at 500/10/4? Not sure what you were trying to sell there... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SWTOR-GR Posted April 15, 2012 Share Posted April 15, 2012 (edited) you get your reward as long as you have at least 3 medals... and if my role is a healer this would never happen if the team is weaker and with less ppls . nice story / waste of time participate alone in warzones as healer Edited April 15, 2012 by SWTOR-GR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
warkat Posted April 15, 2012 Share Posted April 15, 2012 gl getting 3 medals against most good premades. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gorrdan Posted April 15, 2012 Share Posted April 15, 2012 you get your reward as long as you have at least 3 medals... Did you read the OP? he is talking about joining in as a replacement for people who left the match. This leaves you with very less time to focus on medals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gamon Posted April 15, 2012 Share Posted April 15, 2012 (edited) Sick of ppl leaving wzs just for me to queue up, take their place and enter a losing wz just for it to end a couple minutes later and i get NO REWARDS.. That means NOTHING for my time to help a losing team. NO VALOR NO COMMS NO CREDITS NO EXPERIENCE Yes im QQing. Because its BS. You want ppl to quit pvp'ing? You're doing a good job at it BW. Unfortunetly, the problem occurs much earlier in the scene before you enter in. It's found in the phrase, "ppl leaving wzs." To prevent quitters, Bioware has two options. 1. Increase reward for losing, thus giving them incentive to stay - The Problem: Everyone and their mom can quickly grind up gear regardless of skill. 2. Penalize the quitters - Problem: kiddies will whine, pout, and eventually do what they do best... Quit! The latter option, which I believe to be far superior, is on it's way in various forms, and should cut down on how many times you queue into a losing wz! (bioware hasn't completely dropped the ball here) Edited April 15, 2012 by Gamon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlyinSpaghetti Posted April 15, 2012 Share Posted April 15, 2012 I usually get around 40 comms for losing post patch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ealhdun Posted April 15, 2012 Share Posted April 15, 2012 and if my role is a healer this would never happen if the team is weaker and with less ppls . nice story / waste of time participate alone in warzones as healer If you are healer or dps really doesn't matter in terms of medals. I get plenty as either in pvp even when losing. If your issue is with not getting enough medals, or the threshold being too high or the gold reward being to low in general win or loose. Then that is what you should discuss, however losing does not prevent obtaining rewards and it is a misinformation that needs to be beaten down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Navorski Posted April 15, 2012 Share Posted April 15, 2012 I agree it is frustrating getting into a match at the very end and not having enough time to get the required number of medals. It would be nice to be rewarded for being placed in an existing match. For example twice today I was in a queue for 5-8 minutes only to be placed in a WZ at the end and did not receiving any valor etc. Then you go back into a queue wait the 5-8 minutes and get in at the end of a match to once again receive nothing. This doesn't happen very often but often enough to make a person discouraged. I would like to see people that leave often actually get punished. It seems like there are a few people that never seem to stay in until the end. If you queue solo you can't avoid these people and are therefore at a distinct disadvantage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeopardydd Posted April 15, 2012 Share Posted April 15, 2012 (edited) If you are healer or dps really doesn't matter in terms of medals. I get plenty as either in pvp even when losing. If your issue is with not getting enough medals, or the threshold being too high or the gold reward being to low in general win or loose. Then that is what you should discuss, however losing does not prevent obtaining rewards and it is a misinformation that needs to be beaten down. losing will get you anywhere from 0 to upper 50's coms, and a pathetic amount of credits, all depending on how your team does in the loss and your medals. that's ridiculous. Edited April 15, 2012 by Jeopardydd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deathslizer Posted April 15, 2012 Share Posted April 15, 2012 you get your reward as long as you have at least 3 medals... How exactly does that happen when one gets qed into a 0/5 huttball game .. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neovag Posted April 15, 2012 Share Posted April 15, 2012 gl getting 3 medals against most good premades. *Puts guard on a healer, runs in and taunts.* 'OMG! I just got 3 medals in about 15 seconds! How did that just happen?!' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jsalemi Posted April 15, 2012 Share Posted April 15, 2012 however losing does not prevent obtaining rewards and it is a misinformation that needs to be beaten down. There are situations where it does. Yesterday, 3 huttball matches against premades, score 6-0 in all of them, never even got 3 medals, got 0 rewards for all three games. It does happen, even if you're in the wz from the beginning and stick it out. And before anyone says "l2p", I usually get anywhere from 8-14 medals in other wzs, and at least a minimum of 5-6 in most huttball matches (pre-1.2). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neovag Posted April 15, 2012 Share Posted April 15, 2012 (edited) There are situations where it does. Yesterday, 3 huttball matches against premades, score 6-0 in all of them, never even got 3 medals, got 0 rewards for all three games. It does happen, even if you're in the wz from the beginning and stick it out. And before anyone says "l2p", I usually get anywhere from 8-14 medals in other wzs, and at least a minimum of 5-6 in most huttball matches (pre-1.2). You get medals for passing the ball. You get medals for killing the ball handler. You can even get a medal for standing AFK on the enemy goal line, if someone throws you the ball! If you're not getting a single medal in an entire game, you're doing something very wrong, I'm afraid. No killing blow? No protection? no healing? If they put 6 past you before any 3 of those, your team practically WAS AFK, which is what this system is trying to stop... Edited April 15, 2012 by Neovag Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrandOracle Posted April 15, 2012 Share Posted April 15, 2012 *Puts guard on a healer, runs in and taunts.* 'OMG! I just got 3 medals in about 15 seconds! How did that just happen?!' Try that with a dps spec instead when you do not get more than 20 secs of live play time between respawns because your 4 on 8 - oh right no taunt, no guard and I spent more time waiting to come in and getting to an objective / fight to only, be 3 teamed down in a few secs after I got there. I'Ve started seeing small teams moving towards respawn point after capping enough objectives in coast yesterday just to get faster kills. Loads of fun, sure to keep others interested in continuing to PvP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neovag Posted April 15, 2012 Share Posted April 15, 2012 Try that with a dps spec instead when you do not get more than 20 secs of live play time between respawns because your 4 on 8 - oh right no taunt, no guard and I spent more time waiting to come in and getting to an objective / fight to only, be 3 teamed down in a few secs after I got there. I'Ve started seeing small teams moving towards respawn point after capping enough objectives in coast yesterday just to get faster kills. Loads of fun, sure to keep others interested in continuing to PvP. I play a DPS spec, in DPS gear. Does that stop me taunting or guarding? (clue: no.) 3 medals is insanely simple to get, regardless of how much time you have. Example: 2.5k crit - killing blow, 2.5k hit - 2 medals. Do it on your own objective = bronze defence medal, = 3 medals! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silwyth Posted April 15, 2012 Share Posted April 15, 2012 Sick of ppl leaving wzs just for me to queue up, take their place and enter a losing wz just for it to end a couple minutes later and i get NO REWARDS.. That means NOTHING for my time to help a losing team. NO VALOR NO COMMS NO CREDITS NO EXPERIENCE Yes im QQing. Because its BS. You want ppl to quit pvp'ing? You're doing a good job at it BW. Its not just losing that is bad. It is the whole reward system. http://img513.imageshack.us/img513/3969/screenshot2012041519204.jpg Granted that is in the leveling bracket, but come on. 58 Comms for most medals on a WIN. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lightmaguz Posted April 15, 2012 Share Posted April 15, 2012 agreed, atleast make it a minimum of rewards or something, getting 0 is ********.. People leaving warzones was a big enough problem before 1.2 With the 4 medal cap system in 1.1.5 it wasn't an issue anymore. You'd always get a fair amount of valor xp and money even if you lost but had your 4 medals which are pretty easy to get if you're playing the objectives. Now we're back to medal farming, and if you lose it's a waste of time so people leave again. Stupid **** fixing what wasn't broken and now pvp is ****ed up, I already unsubbed over this and I urge everyone else to do the same(and write your reasoning in the form.) until they fix it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrandOracle Posted April 16, 2012 Share Posted April 16, 2012 I play a DPS spec, in DPS gear. Does that stop me taunting or guarding? (clue: no.) 3 medals is insanely simple to get, regardless of how much time you have. Example: 2.5k crit - killing blow, 2.5k hit - 2 medals. Do it on your own objective = bronze defence medal, = 3 medals! Sorry should have said class dps or dps/heal only to it. This whole approach the pushed out forces us to worry about medals first and not the WZ win if we don't want to get shafted. I have been in battles where most of us went for the middle in CW we did not get it, three players dropped after that, other team soon took the one we had before I could get more than 1 def medal and as a healer I was targetted, stunned and dropped. Hard to get enough medals to make it worth wasting the time spent -never once stopped trying but I guess them as the breaks. Another CW I never received a single medal - something bugged - I was at a turret we owned for 2-3 mins - no def medal. Even though I was healing no medal there (usually avg 180-220k in 10-49 pre 1.2). Oh, and to top it a teammate died in a fight leaving me the solo to finish off a single enemy - did so, still no medal. I hit that bug twice in 3 days. During that time I saved a tie in huttball, got 12 medals and a bunch of thank yous from the team so I have to be at least okay pvp wise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jsalemi Posted April 16, 2012 Share Posted April 16, 2012 (edited) You get medals for passing the ball. You get medals for killing the ball handler. You can even get a medal for standing AFK on the enemy goal line, if someone throws you the ball! If you're not getting a single medal in an entire game, you're doing something very wrong, I'm afraid. No killing blow? No protection? no healing? If they put 6 past you before any 3 of those, your team practically WAS AFK, which is what this system is trying to stop... 1) Assumes your team even gets the ball -- never happened. 2) The only members of the team with a chance to kill the ball handler got gang-ganked by 3-4 sorcs and/or assassins before being able to do enough damage to kill the ball handler. Stun-stun-dead still exists. 3) match was 6-0 in less than 4 minutes, so yea, no killing blow -- never happened. 4) I play a GS, so no protection or healing. 5) Of the 6 members on our team in two of the games (both started 6/8, and the 3rd was 7/8), only 1 member got 3 medals and got a whole 20 comms and nothing else as a reward (we compared notes back on the fleet after the matches). And no, the team was not "practically AFK" -- while it was PUG, most of the members were experienced pvpers, BM and higher, that I've been in many wzs with in the past, so we're probably as close to a pre-made as a PUG can be. Same people were competitive in the other wzs, even won a couple, but got roflstomped in 3 huttball matches. So yea, it can happen even with decent players on your team. Another CW I never received a single medal - something bugged - I was at a turret we owned for 2-3 mins - no def medal. Had this happen last night -- I defended a turret for most of the match and didn't get a single defender medal. Fortunately the other team kept attacking, so I got enough damage medals to come away with something from the match. Edited April 16, 2012 by jsalemi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Autumnsbane Posted April 16, 2012 Share Posted April 16, 2012 OP, I hear you loud and clear. I agree that the new system is broken. First off, there are many reasons one might not get three medals, and I am not going to play a game in which I wait in line for 20 minutes and kill another 10 or more to get NOTHING. Today I had the following happen: 1. Join Alderaan when the match was just about over. Maybe got one medal, no rewards. 2. Joined Voidstar on a low level alt trying healing for the first time since the healing nerf, With not enough DPS or healing getting done and our team losing, I got no rewards. 3. Joined the new NC on my 50 to face an obvious superior (likely premade) foe that dominated us from the start. The scoreboard at the end showed everyone on the opposing team having 10 to 15 medals while our team had two players get 4, two players get three, and the rest of us too low to get a reward, We were so grossly outclassed, I never saw a kill. People used to complain that players were "farming medals" rather than achieving the warzone objectives. Now they are ENCOURAGING medal farming, just so players can get something. For the first time today, I considered cancelling my subscription. I am not in a raiding guild and so can't raid, and 2.1 did not bring us an LFG, so I don't run flashpoints. All I had left was PVP and they broke it. Here I am 2 levels from Battlemaster and I am hanging up my lightsaber. I feel for you, OP. You are not alone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeopardydd Posted April 16, 2012 Share Posted April 16, 2012 EVEN IF you get 3 or 4 medals, it's still not worth it. 20 coms, zero or near zero credits......means you can't even be using a warzone medpack much less ever get to BM or WH gear. but lets say you get 40 comms per match (which is actually on the high side for losses), and you play one full match per 30 minutes (playing + queuing) it's 84k coms to get WH armor that's 2100 matches at 40 coms/match. that's 63k minutes, or more than 43 full 24-hour days of play time. or that's more than a year of playing 4 hours a night 5 days a week (playing 20 hours a week for a full year). that's only time spent doing nothing but pvping. add time if you want to, say, craft or go to the bathroom. by that time, there will be multiple new, better sets so you won't be even in gear even after all that time. and that's with a fairly high number of coms won from the losses. and that's without having to get your BM gear first, which is a whole 'nother grind. yes, you get some from dailies, and you win win from time to time when you get with a premade and against pugs...but come on.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
speenker Posted April 16, 2012 Share Posted April 16, 2012 Sick of ppl leaving wzs just for me to queue up, take their place and enter a losing wz just for it to end a couple minutes later and i get NO REWARDS.. That means NOTHING for my time to help a losing team. NO VALOR NO COMMS NO CREDITS NO EXPERIENCE Yes im QQing. Because its BS. You want ppl to quit pvp'ing? You're doing a good job at it BW. agreed,+1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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