Are PVP players more successful in real life?

[RWesh]

Do you find that hardcore PVP players are more successful in their real life jobs? PVP requires a certain level of competitiveness and drive to research and become better. Do you feel that these skills translate towards your job in real life?

 

Do you find yourself competing with a co-worker outwardly (or secretly) to see who can get the job done better?

 

Just wondering about your experiences. Working at McDonalds and Burger King when I was younger I always found myself competing with my grill mates to see who could clear out orders the fastest. Even now working as a programmer I maintain that same level of competitiveness, trying establish myself as 'one of the best guys for the job/project'

[Syylara]

There's a difference in being driven to succeed when it actually matters and focusing your talents where it produces real benefits and being one of those people who takes everything too seriously, makes everything into a competition and derives a sense of self-worth from entirely trivial activities.

[Zerogates]

I think a better approach to what you are trying to ask is whether skills that make a successful pvper translate to more success in real life. On the other side of that question you could ask if people who are more successful in real life tend to make better pvpers. Afterall, you can be a hardcore pvper and fail terribly at it

 

It would be really hard to narrow it down I think but there are indeed certain qualities that people possess that are also beneficial to pvpers. I am competitive not just with others but with myself, a bit of a self-perfectionist on tasks to get the most efficiency possible. This helped a lot when I worked in a factory but not so much now that I am a preschool teacher. In pvp you can imagine how that would benefit me.

Edited April 15, 2012 by Zerogates

[MysticTrunks]

HA. I highly doubt it. A lot of people i see in PvP that are REALLY into it, have some nasty anger issues and also don't take criticism well. They also seem unable to admit when they make a mistake, all things that don't get you ahead at most jobs outside of WWF or Wallstreet.

 

Of course it's the individual person that matters. I enjoy PvP but I also enjoy and am happy with the money and place and responsibilities I have at my job, which I enjoy as well.

 

Like all things PvP and your job are what you make of it.

[Tohelanbak]

There's a difference in being driven to succeed when it actually matters and focusing your talents where it produces real benefits and being one of those people who takes everything too seriously, makes everything into a competition and derives a sense of self-worth from entirely trivial activities.

 

I pay the same monthly fee to pvp and now I take things too seriously? As if PVEers don't QQ when there is no end game content this none of that, quests too redundant, waaah I could go on.

 

Make everything competitive? No sorry, pvp by its very nature is competitive within itself. That's like playing a football game and telling the players not to compete.. LOL.

 

A sense of self worth from trivial activities? I must admit, standing toe to toe with other foes and smashing their face in does give me a sense of accomplishment. The same sense you probably get when you complete a raid for the first time. At least in the case of pvp, the outcome will be uncertain and each battle will be different.

 

Learn to reason will ya.

[Subatomix]

Yes, because we've all quit the game and have more time in real life now.

[Xaearth]

I pay the same monthly fee to pvp and now I take things too seriously? As if PVEers don't QQ when there is no end game content this none of that, quests too redundant, waaah I could go on.

 

Make everything competitive? No sorry, pvp by its very nature is competitive within itself. That's like playing a football game and telling the players not to compete.. LOL.

 

A sense of self worth from trivial activities? I must admit, standing toe to toe with other foes and smashing their face in does give me a sense of accomplishment. The same sense you probably get when you complete a raid for the first time. At least in the case of pvp, the outcome will be uncertain and each battle will be different.

 

Learn to reason will ya.

 

I think you just proved the point that poster was trying to make...

[Syylara]

I pay the same monthly fee to pvp and now I take things too seriously? As if PVEers don't QQ when there is no end game content this none of that, quests too redundant, waaah I could go on.

 

Make everything competitive? No sorry, pvp by its very nature is competitive within itself. That's like playing a football game and telling the players not to compete.. LOL.

 

A sense of self worth from trivial activities? I must admit, standing toe to toe with other foes and smashing their face in does give me a sense of accomplishment. The same sense you probably get when you complete a raid for the first time. At least in the case of pvp, the outcome will be uncertain and each battle will be different.

 

Learn to reason will ya.

 

The fact that somehow you came to the presumptuous conclusion that I'm a raider/endgame PvE player is amusing.

 

Show me where on the doll the raider touched you.

[Arlanon]

I'm pretty good at anything I set my mind to. Play guitar, write songs, recorded a CD. Wrote numerous short skits and stories online over the years under various monikers. Every job I've ever worked I made it up to an assistant foreman position, including my very first job when I was 18. Got my Class A CDL and drove 18-wheelers across the country.

 

Then I got Cancer, it was Stage 4 before I even realized I had it. I survived a surgery that was supposed to kill me.

 

Now I'm kicking all y'all's azzes in pvp.

 

That all said, I'm pretty easy to get along with! If you are unfortunate enough to run into me on Ilum, strike up a conversation and I might stop killing you for a few minutes.

[sauerkraut]

The contrary, i would say peeps who devoted too much to PvP has some problem.

[Tohelanbak]

The fact that somehow you came to the presumptuous conclusion that I'm a raider/endgame PvE player is amusing.

 

Show me where on the doll the raider touched you.

 

I did? you lumped pvpers together so I lumped pvers together.. never once singled you out..

[Achyllis]

They have real lives?

[lexiekaboom]

My boss is a huge PVP guy, and I have to admit although it was a bit of growing process, we’ve really learned to work with him well.

 

We work in a sales focused front facing environment so we were already accustom to morning meetings, but it was odd when he replaced the normal format of celebrating success from the day before with centering out our underperformers and calling them useless n00bs that should DIAF. Thankfully I don’t think they knew what DIAF meant, so the effect on moral was minimal.

 

The changes in how training handled was likely the most dramatic. Like most companies, we focused a lot of resources on getting new people up to speed and ensuring they had the tools they needed to succeed. We now done a complete 360 on that thinking; we give new people no direction at all, instead focusing on ridiculing them when they “fail” by not knowing what is expected. We ensure that the best and most useful tools are giving to the most senor agents and the new people are forced to get by with nothing. For example, while we have a complex POS system, new hires are given an acubus and told to “wing it”. If they are unable to keep up with people using computers, our new boss again takes this opportunity to tell them to DIAF.

 

Most controversial was the change to pay. We have 22 agents at the front facing level, but every day he pays 11 of them double what they use to make and gives nothing to the other 11. Although this is loosely based on the goals of the organization, the “grouping” of agents is completely arbitrary and often leads to a uneven distribution. Not naming any names (you know who you are) but there is one person who takes a 2 hour coffee break ever day and he still gets paid as long as his “team” is the one that “won”.

 

All and all it’s been a growing process, but I think I see the “vision” he has and I’m willing to work with him.

Edited April 15, 2012 by lexiekaboom

[V-Serp]

Haha that's hilarious.

 

Most successful people barely even watch TV, let alone play computer games.

[Vaipyr]

HA. I highly doubt it. A lot of people i see in PvP that are REALLY into it, have some nasty anger issues and also don't take criticism well. They also seem unable to admit when they make a mistake, all things that don't get you ahead at most jobs outside of WWF or Wallstreet.

 

Of course it's the individual person that matters. I enjoy PvP but I also enjoy and am happy with the money and place and responsibilities I have at my job, which I enjoy as well.

 

Like all things PvP and your job are what you make of it.

 

^

This is about the only rational response to this question. Most "hardcore" pvpers I have met over the years have tended to be the guys passed up for promotions because of their nasty attitudes and anger issues. They're great grunts to use and abuse though.

 

PvPer or PvEer really doesn't matter at all in the long run. PvE'ers have just as many traits that one could attribute to a successful person as well:

Goal oriented

Team player

Ability to take direction and apply it successfully to a given task

etc etc

 

The idea that either camp would be more successful in real world situations is ludicrous. About the only thing that could possibly be said is that the "hardcores" on both sides are probably socially inept with their elitism, anger issues and terrible attitudes. Or, as was mentioned, they're in the WWF or Wall Street (great call btw).

 

My boss is a huge PVP guy, and I have to admit although it was a bit of growing process, we’ve really learned to work with him well.

 

We work in a sales focused front facing environment so we were already accustom to morning meetings, but it was odd when he replaced the normal format of celebrating success from the day before with centering out our underperformers and calling them useless n00bs that should DIAF. Thankfully I don’t think they knew what DIAF meant, so the effect on moral was minimal.

 

The changes in how training handled was likely the most dramatic. Like most companies, we focused a lot of resources on getting new people up to speed and ensuring they had the tools they needed to succeed. We now done a complete 360 on that thinking; we give new people no direction at all, instead focusing on ridiculing them when they “fail” by not knowing what is expected. We ensure that the best and most useful tools are giving to the most senor agents and the new people are forced to get by with nothing. For example, while we have a complex POS system, new hires are given an acubus and told to “wing it”. If they are unable to keep up with people using computers, our new boss again takes this opportunity to tell them to DIAF.

 

Most controversial was the change to pay. We have 22 agents at the front facing level, but every day he pays 11 of them double what they use to make and gives nothing to the other 11. Although this is loosely based on the goals of the organization, the “grouping” of agents is completely arbitrary and often leads to a uneven distribution. Not naming any names (you know who you are) but there is one person who takes a 2 hour coffee break ever day and he still gets paid as long as his “team” is the one that “won”.

 

All and all it’s been a growing process, but I think I see the “vision” he has and I’m willing to work with him.

 

^

/Epic Win to you sir. Well played.

Edited April 15, 2012 by Vaipyr

[Syylara]

I did? you lumped pvpers together so I lumped pvers together.. never once singled you out..

 

No, I responded to a single individual's theory suggesting a correlation between being a hardcore PvPer and success in real life.

 

Not a single one of my statements was actually about PvPers specifically.

 

I described people who take things too seriously, people who make everything into a competition and people who derive their self-worth from trivial activities.

 

Funny how you read those things and assumed I meant PvPers.

 

This would be called "projection" you should look it up.

[SweetNausea]

I'm extremely successful in real life and generally suck at PvP. Am I an outlier?

[Tohelanbak]

No, I responded to a single individual's theory suggesting a correlation between being a hardcore PvPer and success in real life.

 

Not a single one of my statements was actually about PvPers specifically.

 

I described people who take things too seriously, people who make everything into a competition and people who derive their self-worth from trivial activities.

 

Funny how you read those things and assumed I meant PvPers.

 

This would be called "projection" you should look it up.

 

well then you are off topic, begone!

[Ursofail]

I sell Real Estate in Maimi. I own 4 homes. I PVP full time. True story.

[thechimera]

Hardcore pvp players probably live in their parents' basement on a diet of energy drinks and chips.