mArchangel Posted April 15, 2012 Share Posted April 15, 2012 Regardless of what the devs say: Who else wants DPS meters? It's just outrageous to have absolutely zip comparison to other people in order to improve. If I get pwned in PvP, what is the reason? My specc? My rotation? My skill perhaps?What? How do I find out? How can I check if things the devs tell us about classes are working the way they are supposed to? Is that the reason maybe why we don't have them? Stop giving me this crap: We don't want DPS meters as we want a more analogue approach and not number crunching. BS!!!!!!!!!Why have stats then? Seriously this is all total rubble and verbal diorrhea! Don't tell me we have training dummies. I am not able to draw an average or see differences without a cummulative meter. Period. BioWare make it happen. The out of game combat log is another joke. Why so secretive about things? There can only be one reason that makes sense: There is something BW does not want us to know! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mebeli Posted April 15, 2012 Share Posted April 15, 2012 Download a parses that can live log and run it together with tor. There you go your damage meter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cebo Posted April 15, 2012 Share Posted April 15, 2012 http://www.swtor.com/community/showthread.php?t=394608 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reevax Posted April 15, 2012 Share Posted April 15, 2012 Regardless of what the devs say: Who else wants DPS meters? It's just outrageous to have absolutely zip comparison to other people in order to improve. If I get pwned in PvP, what is the reason? My specc? My rotation? My skill perhaps? What? How do I find out? How can I check if things the devs tell us about classes are working the way they are supposed to? Is that the reason maybe why we don't have them? Stop giving me this crap: We don't want DPS meters as we want a more analogue approach and not number crunching. BS!!!!!!!!! Why have stats then? Seriously this is all total rubble and verbal diorrhea! Don't tell me we have training dummies. I am not able to draw an average or see differences without a cummulative meter. Period. BioWare make it happen. The out of game combat log is another joke. Why so secretive about things? There can only be one reason that makes sense: There is something BW does not want us to know! Yeah you are right, may as well go FPS combat style. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kailthir Posted April 15, 2012 Share Posted April 15, 2012 Regardless of what the devs say: Who else wants DPS meters? It's just outrageous to have absolutely zip comparison to other people in order to improve. Yes you do. If you keep dieing because you not doing enough damage... you need more DPS If I get pwned in PvP, what is the reason? My specc? My rotation? My skill perhaps? Could be a number of different reasons. What? How do I find out? How can I check if things the devs tell us about classes are working the way they are supposed to?Like everyone else...trial and error. Is that the reason maybe why we don't have them? Stop giving me this crap: We don't want DPS meters as we want a more analogue approach and not number crunching.Last I looked BW owns the game. They can do whatever they want. If they do not want a feature... we don't get it. Plain and simple. There are a number of features I want to see but it's not my call BS!!!!!!!!! Why have stats then?self explanitory. Seriously this is all total rubble and verbal diorrhea! Don't tell me we have training dummies. I am not able to draw an average or see differences without a cummulative meter. Period.rant BioWare make it happen.The out of game combat log is another joke. Why so secretive about things? another rant and an demand. GIVE ME NOW! There can only be one reason that makes sense: There is something BW does not want us to know!or they are telling you the truth. BW dosen't want them. How do you know there is a different reason? Did you uncover some secret squirril information? If so please share. Else this is pure speculation and again more ranting The problem with DPS meters is that, they gimp or hamper what other players do not concider "Elite" enough with their DPS. I have seen it in other games, too many times. "what's your DPS meter tell you in the last match? What only XXX? Well you are going to have to drop group. We only play with those that have XXX." DPS isn't the end all and be all. Just play your toon and have fun. If you need numbers to comfirm your fun factor, and your "eliteness" as opposed to other players, is the game worth playing then? If you are constantly losing 1 on 1 matches with on level toons, or dieing more than your fair share (caure you are not doing enough damage)... chances are you need more DPS. No need for a meter. Nice rant tho OP. What I got out of it was "...you must give me DPS meters, I want it now .. give it to me!!!" Honestly it was borderline temper tantrum. Something a 4yr old would say and do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackardin Posted April 15, 2012 Share Posted April 15, 2012 DPS meters are not needed. As a raid leader I'm finding zero problems without them. In fact, I find it easier to get people to do their job without them constantly worrying about putting up max numbers on some meter. There are out of game parsers for checking numbers. They are sufficient for what people want or believe they need. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarthRik Posted April 15, 2012 Share Posted April 15, 2012 Regardless of what the devs say: Who else wants DPS meters? It's just outrageous to have absolutely zip comparison to other people in order to improve. If I get pwned in PvP, what is the reason? My specc? My rotation? My skill perhaps? What? How do I find out? How can I check if things the devs tell us about classes are working the way they are supposed to? Is that the reason maybe why we don't have them? Stop giving me this crap: We don't want DPS meters as we want a more analogue approach and not number crunching. BS!!!!!!!!! Why have stats then? Seriously this is all total rubble and verbal diorrhea! Don't tell me we have training dummies. I am not able to draw an average or see differences without a cummulative meter. Period. BioWare make it happen. The out of game combat log is another joke. Why so secretive about things? There can only be one reason that makes sense: There is something BW does not want us to know! i read this post and it sounded like this i want dps meters.. i want to se how pro i am at smashing buttons.. i want to tell other players that they suck becuase i can do x amount of dps i stand in the fire, the slime and i always jump infron to the boss becuase im pro skilled and do a ton of damage.. im elite and i want every one on my server to bow to my eliteness.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackardin Posted April 15, 2012 Share Posted April 15, 2012 The problem with DPS meters is that, they gimp or hamper what other players do not concider "Elite" enough with their DPS. Exactly. Once combat addons start flowing in, the game becomes centered around the addons, not the other way around. The Wow developers even admitted that they had to design content around the use of addons. What this does is turn a casual, long term, fun game into a shooter where everyone has to have macroes, meters, DBM, and all the rest just to be able to do content. Then comes the min maxing that requires one to spend more time preparing for the raid then actually doing the raid. This type of raiding has had its day. It came and went with Wow just as corpse runs came and went with EQ. Good experiment, but a failure in the long run. Hopefully they will never listent to the instant gratification types that never look beyond their nose to the long term effects of their requests. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Painstorm Posted April 15, 2012 Share Posted April 15, 2012 http://www.swtor.com/community/showthread.php?t=394608 So much work, just because BW don't add real combat logs to the game. Once again they fail hard compared to other MMO's Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarthRik Posted April 15, 2012 Share Posted April 15, 2012 So much work, just because BW don't add real combat logs to the game. Once again they fail hard compared to other MMO's *hi im Blizzard would you like me to hold your hand as you play our games????* other mmos dont have it in the game, you need to use a third party addon for it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loxion Posted April 15, 2012 Share Posted April 15, 2012 So much work, just because BW don't add real combat logs to the game. And god forbid you have to put a bit of work in to get that extra level of detail! Personally I think it is the right approach, it means those that want all the fine details can get access to them, but it is not so readily available ingame to make it really useful as an 'epeen' tool. Once again they fail hard compared to other MMO's And yet you are still subbed and still here If it is so bad, move on and play something that fits your needs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth_Moonshadow Posted April 15, 2012 Share Posted April 15, 2012 Get yo scrawny math outta my game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevlarto Posted April 15, 2012 Share Posted April 15, 2012 I want a million dollars, and could care less about a dps meter, because I learn to play my class and experiment with rotations, dont need a meter to tell me when I am hitting harder.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CeiLican Posted April 15, 2012 Share Posted April 15, 2012 Player A - "How long is your light saber?" Player B - "4'6", Player A - "Sorry not long enough, next candidate?" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avrid Posted April 15, 2012 Share Posted April 15, 2012 i don't want dps meteres Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth_Moonshadow Posted April 15, 2012 Share Posted April 15, 2012 Player A - "How long is your light saber?" Player B - "4'6", Player A - "Sorry not long enough, next candidate?" Reminds me of my last date. I defenestrated that right quick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valkirus Posted April 15, 2012 Share Posted April 15, 2012 DPS meters are not needed. As a raid leader I'm finding zero problems without them. In fact, I find it easier to get people to do their job without them constantly worrying about putting up max numbers on some meter. There are out of game parsers for checking numbers. They are sufficient for what people want or believe they need. I agree. And you make some good points as to why they are not needed. See....we donot allways disagree on topics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackardin Posted April 15, 2012 Share Posted April 15, 2012 I agree. And you make some good points as to why they are not needed. See....we donot allways disagree on topics. LOL, point taken. ;p Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaphik Posted April 15, 2012 Share Posted April 15, 2012 A dps meter won't help you in pvp. You already have a combat log in the game that came with the patch that will help you in pvp. Or, just play more, that's why you're getting beat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jebei Posted April 15, 2012 Share Posted April 15, 2012 I think making people work a bit for dps meters is a good thing. For the social player it isn't any different than WoW as they didn't download recount either. For the hardcore player it isn't that difficult to parse the data Bioware gives us. Most casual players don't care about meters. That means the only people it really affects is wannabe hardcore players that don't want to put in the effort. Either meters are important to you or they aren't. Bioware has been pretty adamant that they aren't going to put meters in the game so strangers can look at each other's dps in a heroic. That's a good thing. FWIW - a good simple web based dps meter I've found is at: http://memoriesofxendor.com/parser/parser.aspx It's not perfect but it gives enough info so you can calculate dps and make adjustments to your rotation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solitear Posted April 15, 2012 Share Posted April 15, 2012 Regardless of what the devs say: Who else wants DPS meters? It's just outrageous to have absolutely zip comparison to other people in order to improve. If I get pwned in PvP, what is the reason? My specc? My rotation? My skill perhaps? What? How do I find out? How can I check if things the devs tell us about classes are working the way they are supposed to? Is that the reason maybe why we don't have them? Stop giving me this crap: We don't want DPS meters as we want a more analogue approach and not number crunching. BS!!!!!!!!! Why have stats then? Seriously this is all total rubble and verbal diorrhea! Don't tell me we have training dummies. I am not able to draw an average or see differences without a cummulative meter. Period. BioWare make it happen. The out of game combat log is another joke. Why so secretive about things? There can only be one reason that makes sense: There is something BW does not want us to know! Someone already linked it but you have meters combat logs are in so yea like other person linked http://www.swtor.com/community/showthread.php?t=394608 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThrillInstructor Posted April 15, 2012 Share Posted April 15, 2012 Oh...this thread again? No matter how often you stab the topic in the heart it always comes back to life somehow. The good thing about it is that people can pick their best posts from previous threads and just copy&paste it here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShawTheatre Posted April 15, 2012 Share Posted April 15, 2012 I admit I don't know much about what would be required for a DPS meter and such, and the parsers linked here will more than serve my needs... Perhaps one of you can answer me this: what is needed for sites like "guildlaunch" and such to start pulling character/item/cargo/guild bank information from the game to post it to a guild's website? That's what I've been on the look out for... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solitear Posted April 15, 2012 Share Posted April 15, 2012 I admit I don't know much about what would be required for a DPS meter and such, and the parsers linked here will more than serve my needs... Perhaps one of you can answer me this: what is needed for sites like "guildlaunch" and such to start pulling character/item/cargo/guild bank information from the game to post it to a guild's website? That's what I've been on the look out for... That be nice aswell... Idc if no meter ingame parsers are fine to me aswell tho that feature to pull our info to guild site would be great Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeonBraun Posted April 15, 2012 Share Posted April 15, 2012 DPS meters are not needed. As a raid leader I'm finding zero problems without them. In fact, I find it easier to get people to do their job without them constantly worrying about putting up max numbers on some meter. There are out of game parsers for checking numbers. They are sufficient for what people want or believe they need. I ran my first raid (op) a few days after hitting 50. The raid never needed meters. The only things hurting this argument is the devs making fights with enrage timers. As soon as there is a fight with an enrage timer, you shoot yourself in the foot as a dev who does not want dps meters. Make exciting, engaging, raid awareness encounters and people will stop asking for dps meters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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