im sick of all the people crying about how u dont get credit if u lose

[vwsupra]

Here is a idea WIN and for the people posting SS of them losing a wz and geting no credits or comm its bc u only had 2 medals the whole game lmfao. Who plays a whole game and gets 2 medals l2p

[Slurmez]

You are sick of it so make a whine thread whining about whiners......

 

Oh the irony....

[Carlsbergh]

This screenshot was posted by someone else in another topic.

 

http://www.swtor.gr/sites/default/files/users-uploads/user3/wz_waste_of_time.jpg

 

He apparently had five medals, got jack squat. Sounds fair eh?

[Sugarray]

Here is a idea WIN and for the people posting SS of them losing a wz and geting no credits or comm its bc u only had 2 medals the whole game lmfao. Who plays a whole game and gets 2 medals l2p

 

And im sick of ignorant people who are ignorant. Catch my drift?

 

Arh just to be nice, if I was ALL the 8 players in the Wz, then I'd WIN. Im not though. Still put up a valiant every freaking time, in terms of communication/tac and effort, and yet some people refuse to cooperate hence we lose.

[Civildude]

Unfortunately winning just isn't always an option. When your opponents just completely outclass you from being a premade vs a pug or like my last game, when your team has 5 people vs their 8 and just have no chance. Spending 10 min in a bg and gettin nothing out of it due to bad game design is definitely a valid complaint.

[teambff]

Here is a idea WIN and for the people posting SS of them losing a wz and geting no credits or comm its bc u only had 2 medals the whole game lmfao. Who plays a whole game and gets 2 medals l2p

 

the point most of them are trying to make is there are certain cirumstances where there is no chance to win, there is no chance to succeed and you get punished for it.

 

say there is a premade who gets a few other strong members as well.

the other team doesn't have the greatest team AND are outnumbered.

 

the other team complete dominates them, 1-2 leave from the already battered team... and it even gets worst.

 

in this situation it becomes nearly impossible to succeed, the players themselves didn't lose due to a fair, even match up but were cheated out of any chance to succeed because of flaws such as quitting/premades/gear gap.

 

so, not only do they have to endure all that crap they also don't get anything at the end.

 

from what i've read that sounds like why some are complaining which seems like a valid complaint.

 

anyone who's been in that situation knows that it becomes such a losing situation you can barely do anything. can't get kills when they have a healer who they protect, they all focus fire and burn people down in seconds and they just mob you and destroy and you're powerless.

 

that seems like a problem.

Edited April 15, 2012 by teambff

[V-Serp]

the point most of them are trying to make is there are certain cirumstances where there is no chance to win, there is no chance to succeed and you get punished for it.

 

say there is a premade who gets a few other strong members as well.

the other team doesn't have the greatest team AND are outnumbered.

 

the other team complete dominates them, 1-2 leave from the already battered team... and it even gets worst.

 

in this situation it becomes nearly impossible to succeed, the players themselves didn't lose due to a fair, even match up but were cheated out of any chance to succeed because of flaws such as quitting/premades/gear gap.

 

so, not only do they have to endure all that crap they also don't get anything at the end.

 

from what i've read that sounds like why some are complaining which seems like a valid complaint.

 

anyone who's been in that situation knows that it becomes such a losing situation you can barely do anything. can't get kills when they have a healer who they protect, they all focus fire and burn people down in seconds and they just mob you and destroy and you're powerless.

 

that seems like a problem.

 

I think most of the people that post here always run in premades with vent. A lot of times you actually run into the double premade, not necessarily the same guild, but 2 different premades that just crush everything.

 

The changes actually have virtually no affect on premades.

[Eman]

Losing pre 1.2 sucked and hurt your progress but wasn't frustrating, players didn't mind fighting through a loss because it was still enjoyable.

 

Losing post 1.2 both sucks and is very frustrating for general progress towards any type of rewards/achievement in the game.

[vwsupra]

I think most of the people that post here always run in premades with vent. A lot of times you actually run into the double premade, not necessarily the same guild, but 2 different premades that just crush everything.

 

The changes actually have virtually no affect on premades.

 

Premades with vent are no different then premades without vent or pugs do u think we are yelling out a strat? We are just bullsh*ting the whole match and joking around. The only diff in a premade and a pug is we hand pick the best players from our guild\ server and pugs are random.UT

Edited April 15, 2012 by vwsupra

[teambff]

 

Premades with vent are no different then premades without vent or pugs do u think we are yelling out a strat? We are just bullsh*ting the whole match and joking around. The only diff in a premade and a pug is we haitnd pick the best players from our guild\ server and pugs are random.UT

 

your joking and messing around because you're dominating the outmatched opponent, it's easy to be all casual and joking around when you pick on weaker people and use unfair advantage.

 

i'm sure when the premade actually gets some tough people in there to up against this same premade isn't all laughing and cracking jokes. yeaaaaaah riiiiiiight.

 

i've dealt with premade players for over 10 years across many games, i know the type.

 

i bet all of you are salivating at the chance to 8 man que. dreaming about it. heh.

the 4 man isn't enough to satisfy. "must... have... maor... advantage..... braaaains! blarg!"

Edited April 15, 2012 by teambff

[Carlsbergh]

 

Premades with vent are no different then premades without vent or pugs do u think we are yelling out a strat? We are just bullsh*ting the whole match and joking around. The only diff in a premade and a pug is we hand pick the best players from our guild\ server and pugs are random.UT

 

So you claim your premade never says "x is healing" or "I'm being hit by y, assist me please"?

[booshido]

This screenshot was posted by someone else in another topic.

 

http://www.swtor.gr/sites/default/files/users-uploads/user3/wz_waste_of_time.jpg

 

He apparently had five medals, got jack squat. Sounds fair eh?

 

Absolutely.

 

Why?

 

Because there isn't random PvP gear drops anymore. It's straight up buy your gear, which means even if you lose, win, or get reduced commendations you still know exactly how much you need for your next piece.

 

Would you rather have commendations rain down and not get the piece you want based on RNG?

 

::edit::

 

FWIW, I don't support PvP gear grinding, it is what it is, but this way is better than pre1.2 imo. It's a social RPG, the point is to band together to achieve the rewards. Of course you can fly solo but with it should come the understanding that nothing is very possibly what you'll end up with.

Edited April 15, 2012 by booshido

[zerosaint]

we hand pick the best players from our guild\ server and pugs are random.UT

 

I just facepalmed so hard my head hurts.

 

This patch is really affecting the PUGs not the PREMADES.

[Carlsbergh]

Absolutely.

 

Why?

 

Because there isn't random PvP gear drops anymore. It's straight up buy your gear, which means even if you lose, win, or get reduced commendations you still know exactly how much you need for your next piece.

 

Would you rather have commendations rain down and not get the piece you want based on RNG?

 

You're pretty thick, aren't you? I think I remember your name as being one of the pro-1.2 people during the time it was on the PTS. You do not get the point, do you?

 

This screenshot shows a player who has lost a game, surpassed the threshold of 3 medals and got nothing. Literally, nothing. Not a single commendation. At that rate it would take him... forever to get a single piece of gear.

 

While that happens, the better geared players who are already winning will continue gearing up, while he'll be stuck in his rubbish gear. That equates to him having an even smaller chance of winning and eventually giving up on PvP altogether. Have fun with your dead servers, if you think that's brilliant game design.

[hankart]

Here is a idea WIN and for the people posting SS of them losing a wz and geting no credits or comm its bc u only had 2 medals the whole game lmfao. Who plays a whole game and gets 2 medals l2p

 

Yo hotshot, I have a great idea for you. Delete your main character. Reroll a new toon and grind your way back up using the new system. You can even run with your premade. But your gonna get owned for a lot longer that you did to get where your at right now. Enjoy your elistest babel. Think about it this way anyone who PVPed before 1.2 was on welfare and your defending yourself. Get a real job!

[Kelenan]

Here is a idea WIN and for the people posting SS of them losing a wz and geting no credits or comm its bc u only had 2 medals the whole game lmfao. Who plays a whole game and gets 2 medals l2p

 

OP Your wrong and rude. Try blaming BioWare for an unfair system.

 

Depriving people of any rewards because of being placed on a losing team by BioWare's que system is not people fault nore should they even be placed in that position by this game ever.

 

Everyone deserves their Valor win or lose the full amount, everyone deserves some coin win or lose for participation period, everyone deserves exp for being in the warzone win or lose period.

 

This new system penalizes people for being in the wrong team at the wrong time at no fault of their own.

 

Can you say B.S.

 

The only thing that would be fair is to always mix up the winner's and the losers randomly in all warzone ques.

 

Only let premades face premades ever.

 

The only penalty there ever should be in a warzone is a penalty for leaving before the warzone is complete ever!

[iHover]

The idea that premades dont communicate is utter nonsense. Of course they do . In in a guild and when I do have a chance to run a premade we are all on our own team speak channel and have a HUGE advantage. In a recuit in the guild and dont get to group often but its a HUGE difference. Premade we win 4/5 min. And as far as how this reward system (not reward lossing team) unbalanced the heck out of the game. For the 1st two days ALL the high level guild guys spent all there time in premades with the best of the guild so they could all grab the top pvp gear. Against those groups you have no shot. And with the new comms system you wont make any progress to getting gear that will help you. It frustrating and hopeless. I dont think thats the experience people are paying for. Edited April 15, 2012 by iHover

[teambff]

The idea that premades dont communicate is utter nonsense. Of course they do . In in a guild and when I do have a chance to run a premade we are all on our own team speak channel and have a HUGE advantage. In a recuit in the guild and dont get to group often but its a HUGE difference. Premade we win 4/5 min. And as far as how this reward system (not reward lossing team) unbalanced the heck out of the game. For the 1st two days ALL the high level guild guys spent all there time in premades with the best of the guild so they could all grab the top pvp gear. Against those groups you have no shot. And with the new comms system you wont make any progress to getting gear that will help you. It frustrating and hopeless. I dont think thats the experience people are paying for.

 

exactly, thanks for at least admitting it.

i already know this, of course.. but i get tired of the premade players trying to hide behind lies. refreshing... to hear a little truth once in awhile.

Edited April 15, 2012 by teambff

[Jeopardydd]

the OP's comment would make sense if it wasn't for the fact that you are only 1 of 8 players on a team, if there were no gear disparities, and every match had the same number of players on each side.

 

because right now, you can be the best player in the world and get no rewards for it. which is the exact opposite of what defenders of this patch say they want (for skill and effort to be rewarded).

[pwnshoppe]

lol, guess your q's are going to get longer and longer.

[Sugarray]

Yo hotshot, I have a great idea for you. Delete your main character. Reroll a new toon and grind your way back up using the new system. You can even run with your premade. But your gonna get owned for a lot longer that you did to get where your at right now. Enjoy your elistest babel. Think about it this way anyone who PVPed before 1.2 was on welfare and your defending yourself. Get a real job!

 

He is not an elitist. An elitist realizes imbalance and unfairness. This is just an idiot queuing with his BM geared friends exploiting what is now a pretty large gear gap. (to think that the patch was gonna close the gap LOL, in a year maybe.. oh wait, people will have left the game by then)

[Lt_Latency]

The current system is just bad.

 

 

If you get dropped into a premade that is stomping a team NO ONE wants to play. It's makes it much worse.

 

I was just in a game with over 22 people on the score board for our side because everyone was cycling out of the battle.

 

 

If you are a bunch of levels 20 vs a bunch of level 49s You are SUPOSE to get stomped even if your playing well. At least before you got rewaded a bit.

 

 

 

If your a pug vs a premade your going to lose. They can at least throw you a bone. or ar you scared to fight players in equal gear??

Edited April 15, 2012 by Lt_Latency

[Raggok]

A lot of losses are caused by there being unbalanced numbers on the opposing teams at the start of the game. Try winning a match when you start 4v8 or 5v8. The matches don't shut down, so unless you ditch you go though the entire match and get zero rewards for your time.

 

Failure.

Edited April 15, 2012 by Raggok

[Jeopardydd]

if you get 3 or 4 medals, it's still not worth it.

 

20 coms, zero or near zero credits......means you can't even buy a warzone medpack much less ever get to BM gear.

 

lets say you get 40 comms per match, and you play one full match per 30 minutes (playing + queuing)

 

that's 84k coms to get WH armor

 

that's 2100 matches.

 

that's 63k minutes, or more than 43 full 24-hour days of play time doing nothing but warzones. and that's with a fairly high number of coms won from the losses compared to what people get on some unbalanced servers.

 

and that's without having to get your BM gear first.

 

daily and weeklies help a bit, as does your 1 win every ten games when you get teamed up with a 4-person premade and the other side is pugs, but again, I was using fairly generous numbers for the losses.

[Tirium]

Unfortunately winning just isn't always an option. When your opponents just completely outclass you from being a premade vs a pug or like my last game, when your team has 5 people vs their 8 and just have no chance. Spending 10 min in a bg and gettin nothing out of it due to bad game design is definitely a valid complaint.

 

5v8? Let's talk about 2v8 matches not closing.