Some dps-parsing + stats for your enjoyment.

[cuteypie]

Hi!

 

Took the chance this morning to try out speccs and dps on dummies.

 

Both logs are with rakata stim.

 

First specc is full scrapper, second full dirty fighting.

 

Gear you can see in the screenshot.

 

After these tests i can tell you that there is no reason to play scoundrel dps anymore. Very frustrated over the nerfs handed the last cpl of months.

 

Scrapper:

http://www.fryingtime.com/?filename=combat_2012-04-13_09_16_37_231223.txt

 

Dirty Fighting:

http://www.fryingtime.com/?filename=combat_2012-04-13_09_28_37_250405.txt

 

Stats:

http://i.imgur.com/ta1lI.jpg

[AdmiralOnasi]

I'm astounded that Scrapper had a higher DPS than DF.

[cuteypie]

I'm astounded that Scrapper had a higher DPS than DF.

 

its prolly because im abit noob on rotation as dirty fighting you can see in the parse that i tested some variations since i was reaching 100% energy from time to time, and that i also didnt refresh dots perfectly. I reckon they are about the same.

 

Still though, were talking ATLEAST 30% less dps than sentinels atm.

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[Acindo]

As long as the movie doesnt have any PVP in it sure, please complete it with logs and stats aswell.

 

I guess I miss where you specify PvE only in the original post.

 

I don't PvE. All you need for that is friends doesn't matter if your under geared or a horrible class friends = PvE raids and gear.

[cuteypie]

I guess I miss where you specify PvE only in the original post.

 

I don't PvE. All you need for that is friends doesn't matter if your under geared or a horrible class friends = PvE raids and gear.

 

Its about pulling your own weight in raids though. I yet again encourage you to contribute with logs proving my damage is fine and its all about me playing the class wrong.

 

I also encourage more people to contribute with their findings so we can get a discussion going with boosts that are much needed.

[Acindo]

Its about pulling your own weight in raids though. I yet again encourage you to contribute with logs proving my damage is fine and its all about me playing the class wrong.

 

I also encourage more people to contribute with their findings so we can get a discussion going with boosts that are much needed.

 

Well I just did I forget the name but the raid where everyone has to solo their own mob at one point. Took one of the 75kish guys and cleaned him up pretty easy.

 

If you had of at any point specified PvE ONLY I probably would agree we need more sustained damage. I'm all about PvP and the burst however.

 

My guy at valor 71 has completed like 1 hard mode Esseles and 1 16m Op haha.

 

So just to reiterate, if you want this to be a PvE only discussion I'm out. If your talking about both well we need something more for PvE but we can compete as is in PvP.

[Stryges]

I'm astounded that Scrapper had a higher DPS than DF.

 

Ya, I was tempted to try DF, but I decided to stick with scrapper after the patch out of sheer stubborness. It will be interesting to see how the numbers play out.

[Vudee]

Well I just did I forget the name but the raid where everyone has to solo their own mob at one point. Took one of the 75kish guys and cleaned him up pretty easy.

 

If you had of at any point specified PvE ONLY I probably would agree we need more sustained damage. I'm all about PvP and the burst however.

 

My guy at valor 71 has completed like 1 hard mode Esseles and 1 16m Op haha.

 

So just to reiterate, if you want this to be a PvE only discussion I'm out. If your talking about both well we need something more for PvE but we can compete as is in PvP.

 

That's changed if you've tried the new FP, tighter enrage timers require better gear. Strat is needed but your not going to pull someone in and expect to be successful with anything less then Rakata.

[Xenuphile]

I noticed you only used shoot first once, why not use dissapearing act?

You could get in at least 4 more. I know its not much but still...

we need all the dps we can get

 

And how was your energy regen? Ever need to use cool head?

[hulkweazel]

I guess I miss where you specify PvE only in the original post.

 

I don't PvE. All you need for that is friends doesn't matter if your under geared or a horrible class friends = PvE raids and gear.

...so make friends that are fine with carrying you through raids?

 

I have yet to see DPS logs with DPS Scoundrels/Ops being comparable to other DPS, other than a couple bogus ones with made up numbers. Besides that, DPS Scoundrels/Ops offer the LEAST utility out of any class, being a melee class with no gap closer, weak defensive abilities and no abilities that contribute to the group.

 

There isn't even a point of taking a Scoundrel for the +5% crit anymore with legacy.

[cuteypie]

I noticed you only used shoot first once, why not use dissapearing act?

You could get in at least 4 more. I know its not much but still...

we need all the dps we can get

 

And how was your energy regen? Ever need to use cool head?

 

Energy was abit up and down depending on flying fists proccs. Basically after post-nerf CD on backblast there is no synergy anymore with BB + flechette round and round two procc (6s+ downtime on flechette dot, 10c internal CD on round two)

 

This force you to use vital shot somewhat more often to make sure you dont flying fist on a target not dotted while internal CD of round two is up. Which makes energy really bumpy, i reapplied vital shot when i knew next CD of flying fist would hit an undotted target because of timers on flechette etc.

 

This meant some energy sinks below 60 basically when 2x sucker punches had to be used together with vital shot. Forced me into 1-2 gcds of flurry. Or in some cases made me use cool head.

 

A better opener would prolly be orbital strike+run in while spamming flurry. I dont use sab charge on standard rotation since i save it for SOA mind prison mechanics or use to have better uptime on mobswaps etc. (as we dont have a gapcloser) I dont think its energy effiecent to put in a standard rotation anyway.

 

Dissapearing act + shoot first isnt worth it, too high energy cost for too little return.

[Xenuphile]

Cool thanks, ya looks like our PvE viability is not the best at the moment. PvP however is still very viable, especially with the expertise nerf to healing

 

Thanks for the files, was very helpful.

[WasabiJack]

Before you complain about the dps, could you please tell me why your flyby damage is not on te chart?

 

Please tell me you used it.

 

If you didn't.....

 

 

No comment.....

[DunsparrowSolo]

Thanks for the posts. Marauders and Mercs are currently doing 2.5k+ DPS and have much better burst. Just FYI. Edited April 13, 2012 by DunsparrowSolo

[Haystak]

Before you complain about the dps, could you please tell me why your flyby damage is not on te chart?

 

Please tell me you used it.

 

If you didn't.....

 

 

No comment.....

 

was wondering myself. though i dont think it would increase dps any through outright damafe. the cast timer would improve energy efficiancy. its also a nice move to use if you overstep your energy usage, as the energy regen during the cast time can be effective enough to bring you over your bar.

[WasabiJack]

Thanks for the posts. Marauders and Mercs are currently doing 2.5k+ DPS and have much better burst. Just FYI.

 

Hey,

 

I totally get that. They are supposed to do more dmg and we are supposed to be stealth -> burst, which is not really "uber" sustained damage.

 

I was more concerned that your oversight on flyby may be indication that your entire report is not the best a scoundrel can do.

 

I dunno, just saying.

[cuteypie]

Before you complain about the dps, could you please tell me why your flyby damage is not on te chart?

 

Please tell me you used it.

 

If you didn't.....

 

 

No comment.....

 

I invite you to do your own parsing with flyby, and let me know what you come up with numberwise.

[andrew_b_gross]

Thanks for the posts. Marauders and Mercs are currently doing 2.5k+ DPS and have much better burst. Just FYI.

 

2.5k on training dummies? Source?

[Tom-Kat]

Before you complain about the dps, could you please tell me why your flyby damage is not on te chart?

 

Please tell me you used it.

 

If you didn't.....

 

 

No comment.....

 

 

Using Flyby on a single target mob (eg: boss) is not an efficient use of energy, time or the global cooldown. It takes approximately 3 seconds to cast. For AOE mobs, sure, it's fantastic (and fun!) but not for a single target one.

 

 

 

 

To OP:

In future on Scrapper use Disappearing Act (especially since you would have chosen a talent which reduces the CD) and then stick in a Fletchette Round and Shoot First again - it's your highest damage so don't waste it!

[cuteypie]

Using Flyby on a single target mob (eg: boss) is not an efficient use of energy, time or the global cooldown. It takes approximately 3 seconds to cast. For AOE mobs, sure, it's fantastic (and fun!) but not for a single target one.

 

 

 

 

To OP:

In future on Scrapper use Disappearing Act (especially since you would have chosen a talent which reduces the CD) and then stick in a Fletchette Round and Shoot First again - it's your highest damage so don't waste it!

 

One of the reasons people let me come along to raids is the ghetto ress from using dissapearing act. Dont want to waste that doing dps when its a free battle ress. Also i dont think its energy effiecent it would give 6 second extra uptime on flechette+1shoot first every 2 mins, but ill be forced into more flurrys because of energy.

[Thoop]

thank you for the info, would be nice to see these numbers next to other classes. Bioware must give a hella lot of value to the fact that we can stealth because at fist look it would appear that we are indeed under preforming. look at dps of tanksin and it boggles the mind how they think we are in balance.

 

 

Within 3% of a good sentinel dps, lol i dont think so george.

[cuteypie]

thank you for the info, would be nice to see these numbers next to other classes. Bioware must give a hella lot of value to the fact that we can stealth because at fist look it would appear that we are indeed under preforming. look at dps of tanksin and it boggles the mind how they think we are in balance.

 

 

Within 3% of a good sentinel dps, lol i dont think so george.

 

Actually i got surprised to see how even all the dps are. A watchman sentinel is currently at ~1150ish DPS.

 

The ones that seem to be abit ahead are gunslingers which imo is fine as they are quite turretish