TheNegotiator Posted April 13, 2012 Share Posted April 13, 2012 Is 1.2 some kind of sick joke? Why even play a defense oriented class? My 8000 + armor seems to be completely useless as of today, compared to only moderately useless yesterday. Played about 15 war zones tonight, might as well just removed my armor and gone naked for all the good it did. My expertise is around 750 and I was getting face-rolled by nearly every imperial class. Dots from sorcerers and assassins just eating me alive, operatives you can forget it I'm like free valor for them. Isn't a tank supposed to be difficult to kill? Are we nothing more than guard whores? I'm valor 63 so I'm no newb to PvP with a Vanguard, I just don't see the point of playing a class which has weak damage, weak survivability and no heals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tatebomb Posted April 13, 2012 Share Posted April 13, 2012 I feel you brother. My vanguard went from crushing it to getting facerolled. Sad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wessik Posted April 13, 2012 Share Posted April 13, 2012 Is 1.2 some kind of sick joke? Why even play a defense oriented class? My 8000 + armor seems to be completely useless as of today, compared to only moderately useless yesterday. Played about 15 war zones tonight, might as well just removed my armor and gone naked for all the good it did. My expertise is around 750 and I was getting face-rolled by nearly every imperial class. Dots from sorcerers and assassins just eating me alive, operatives you can forget it I'm like free valor for them. Isn't a tank supposed to be difficult to kill? Are we nothing more than guard whores? I'm valor 63 so I'm no newb to PvP with a Vanguard, I just don't see the point of playing a class which has weak damage, weak survivability and no heals. there's your problem right there... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glewp Posted April 13, 2012 Share Posted April 13, 2012 Gameing..... whats the point!:-( Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roysterer Posted April 13, 2012 Share Posted April 13, 2012 I think your real problem might be expertise. BM gear has more of it and it scales differently now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TSBhunter Posted April 13, 2012 Share Posted April 13, 2012 Expertise is not his problem. I don't have 750 expertise and I noticed I was facerolling troopers all night. I'm a godamn merc healer too. It was the only actual enjoyment I got out of PVP today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adzzy Posted April 13, 2012 Share Posted April 13, 2012 (edited) i had to respec my powertech to pyrotech to actually be useful (expertise is about 1100), i don't even enjoy the spec, but the game has become such a dps race that defense is meaningless, and pyrotechs are really good at the dps race, boring though. Edited April 13, 2012 by Adzzy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UncleJimbo Posted April 13, 2012 Share Posted April 13, 2012 Funny, that with my 0/23/18 build I perform very well, ofc you cannot expect to have high survivability, but this build performs very well. Currently I have Combat tech gear, but I am slowly switching to Eliminator's; I run with Plasma Cell on so I can trigger the HiB every 6 sec (if it procs) but it performs well. http://www.torhead.com/skill-calc#801ZMsMrorckzZbIbbdh.1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eysenhorn Posted April 13, 2012 Share Posted April 13, 2012 Is 1.2 some kind of sick joke? Why even play a defense oriented class? My 8000 + armor seems to be completely useless as of today, compared to only moderately useless yesterday. Played about 15 war zones tonight, might as well just removed my armor and gone naked for all the good it did. My expertise is around 750 and I was getting face-rolled by nearly every imperial class. Dots from sorcerers and assassins just eating me alive, operatives you can forget it I'm like free valor for them. Isn't a tank supposed to be difficult to kill? Are we nothing more than guard whores? I'm valor 63 so I'm no newb to PvP with a Vanguard, I just don't see the point of playing a class which has weak damage, weak survivability and no heals. Bioware should have informed us at the character creation screen, that the they will make sure the vanguard will suck, so one should not choose this class unless he is a masochist. I want compensation, and no, I dont want to reroll. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
triangulate Posted April 13, 2012 Share Posted April 13, 2012 I think your real problem might be expertise. BM gear has more of it and it scales differently now. It isn't expertise. To prove it you can go play the 10-49 bracket where a lvl29 (mine) full shield spec gets 3-4 globaled by melee and i have been 3 shot by a sniper recently. They have screwed with something but it most definately isn't only expertise. Im a shield spec for a reason, me and friends play a tactical game in WZ's and used to have fun... now i get passed the ball in Hutball and i melt. I try to defend a door or turret till help arrives and ONE DPS can take me down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoodoovoodootwo Posted April 13, 2012 Share Posted April 13, 2012 Reeeeeeroooooooolllllllllllllllllll Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rabbitfoot Posted April 13, 2012 Share Posted April 13, 2012 Yes I also mentioned I think they did something to our survivability on another thread. Why anyone would do that is incomprehensible since we were (pyros that is) rather squishy. And why on earth would you want to limit the shield tech variants? its not like they were even close to op. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tatebomb Posted April 13, 2012 Share Posted April 13, 2012 1.2 = vanguard GG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheNegotiator Posted April 13, 2012 Author Share Posted April 13, 2012 Funny, that with my 0/23/18 build I perform very well, ofc you cannot expect to have high survivability, but this build performs very well. Currently I have Combat tech gear, but I am slowly switching to Eliminator's; I run with Plasma Cell on so I can trigger the HiB every 6 sec (if it procs) but it performs well. http://www.torhead.com/skill-calc#801ZMsMrorckzZbIbbdh.1 What's the point though? if you want to do damage might as well re-roll a commando. As far as builds I went full tactics to get the 8 second speed buff (as well as the gut snare), I was sick of running around the zone snared half the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisRedmond Posted April 13, 2012 Share Posted April 13, 2012 There might be something to this guys. PvE on Voss with a healing companion last night. I had a previously indestructible vanguard. Think captain Scarlet. "in- Dis- truc- ti- ble! Captain Scarlet! Boom Ba Boom, Ba Ba Ba Boom" Seriously, really, not a single tough fight until last night (I thought I was just getting better at playing the game). Then whack! Getting ***** slapped all over the place by all sorts of second rate mobs. Not even tough mobs, second rate mobs. My point is this. Isn't a Tank supposed to have survivability? If that's taken away, he's just not a Tank any more, rather a poor DPS. Should I just re- spec as a DPS? If so, which talent tree do you recommend? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RenegadeSLX Posted April 13, 2012 Share Posted April 13, 2012 VG/PT are un *********** stoppable right now. What game are you guys playing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Astarica Posted April 13, 2012 Share Posted April 13, 2012 Full BM gets you 1100 Expertise, so yeah I'd say 700 is actually pretty lacking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manuad Posted April 13, 2012 Share Posted April 13, 2012 Played last night on a full BM Vanguard in Combat Tech Gear. My spec is shield yet I didnt notice any issue, my damage our put seemed higher and my protection and survivability were sameish. Expertise and a good spec might help the OP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TipsyDrow Posted April 13, 2012 Share Posted April 13, 2012 Is 1.2 some kind of sick joke? Why even play a defense oriented class? My 8000 + armor seems to be completely useless as of today, compared to only moderately useless yesterday. Played about 15 war zones tonight, might as well just removed my armor and gone naked for all the good it did. My expertise is around 750 and I was getting face-rolled by nearly every imperial class. Dots from sorcerers and assassins just eating me alive, operatives you can forget it I'm like free valor for them. Isn't a tank supposed to be difficult to kill? Are we nothing more than guard whores? I'm valor 63 so I'm no newb to PvP with a Vanguard, I just don't see the point of playing a class which has weak damage, weak survivability and no heals. I run this http://www.torhead.com/skill-calc#801GRGb0RroMZMcrroZb.1 It has always been a great build. It got even better with 1.2. I am full champ/2 pieces of BM gear only 820ish expertise. I have experienced the exact opposit of the OP. My damage has gone up, my DR has gone up. I laugh at lighting tossers and ops. I use the super commando set. OP, look at your spec and gear, I supsect that's where the pronlem lies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nezyrworks Posted April 13, 2012 Share Posted April 13, 2012 1.2 = vanguard GG IF vanguard times have ended. After patches there will always be a change of orientation. I am felling that i have a god mode now. 8/31/2 Tac vanguard is great after the changes. 21% Bonus damage from expertise and surge kept above 73% i can no AOE all day long. Mortar is much better than it was, Pulse cannon wrecks havoc, even explosive surge gives me 1,5k damage a target which relates to a massive body countdown on voidstar and coast (especialy inside the bunker). Of course i can be melted as everyone else. Have couple of tools that helps me (Hold the line, passive 15% speed bonus). Do i feel squishy, maybe a bit more. Because damage from expertise was increased. On the other hand of you pulse cannon someone for 3 crits 3k each you can be sure to have less damage taken at the end. Is more win/lose than tie right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monterone Posted April 13, 2012 Share Posted April 13, 2012 (edited) It isn't expertise. To prove it you can go play the 10-49 bracket where a lvl29 (mine) full shield spec gets 3-4 globaled by melee and i have been 3 shot by a sniper recently. They have screwed with something but it most definately isn't only expertise. Im a shield spec for a reason, me and friends play a tactical game in WZ's and used to have fun... now i get passed the ball in Hutball and i melt. I try to defend a door or turret till help arrives and ONE DPS can take me down. I'll second this. I have a very well geared mid 40s powertech that is pretty fun to play. I still do very good damage after the patch but the melee classes are absolutely wrecking me! Sentinels even 20 levels below me are eating through my health through cool-downs and heals, it's insane. I don't know what it is, but I'm thinking it's time to make a marauder. Edited April 13, 2012 by Monterone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wessik Posted April 13, 2012 Share Posted April 13, 2012 (edited) It isn't expertise. To prove it you can go play the 10-49 bracket where a lvl29 (mine) full shield spec gets 3-4 globaled by melee and i have been 3 shot by a sniper recently. They have screwed with something but it most definately isn't only expertise. Im a shield spec for a reason, me and friends play a tactical game in WZ's and used to have fun... now i get passed the ball in Hutball and i melt. I try to defend a door or turret till help arrives and ONE DPS can take me down. i'm a valor 76 sniper... in L10-49, snipers have always done good damage... pre and post 1.2... in L50, pre1.2, they didn't do good damage if undergeared... in L50, post1.2, they still won't do good damage if undergeared ie no expertise... i'm going to say expertise definitely has something to do with it... he has 400 pts less expertise than a full BM player... that's huge!!!! however, people on the boards are saying damage is up so that could also have a hand in it (either as a byproduct of expertise or something separate - i haven't had a chance to play 1.2 yet cuz of stupid work)... Edited April 13, 2012 by wessik Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winkywinky Posted April 13, 2012 Share Posted April 13, 2012 IF vanguard times have ended. After patches there will always be a change of orientation. I am felling that i have a god mode now. 8/31/2 Tac vanguard is great after the changes. 21% Bonus damage from expertise and surge kept above 73% i can no AOE all day long. Mortar is much better than it was, Pulse cannon wrecks havoc, even explosive surge gives me 1,5k damage a target which relates to a massive body countdown on voidstar and coast (especialy inside the bunker). Of course i can be melted as everyone else. Have couple of tools that helps me (Hold the line, passive 15% speed bonus). Do i feel squishy, maybe a bit more. Because damage from expertise was increased. On the other hand of you pulse cannon someone for 3 crits 3k each you can be sure to have less damage taken at the end. Is more win/lose than tie right now. really?...because something is wrong...has to be i didnt change my gear almost full bm with only champ gun/shield...specd Tactics and my 5 stacks Pulse Generator was doing less damage then per 1.2 as assault spec using Pulse Cannon.. 5 stacks 500-700 none crit to per 1.2 700-800 none crit no really it was doing LESS DAMAGE so i specd back to assualt even tho im getting crushed easly like the people said above... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BanthaRaider Posted April 13, 2012 Share Posted April 13, 2012 Full Assault spec here, working towards my BM gear ( full champ.. guess thats worthless now) Things i noticed: Armor or no armor.. doesnt seemed to matter.. i got killed in seconds .. shield and stims didnt change that.. maybe 1/2 sec more.. that from 1 operative. Same vs marauder. New mortar is nice but 200-300 damage? comon The game seems to run ALOT faster right now.. enemys where rushing around like everyone was using speedhacks while i still moved like a turtle with broken legs (perfect connection, no lag nothing) A "chance" for a free HIB every 6 secs? feels like 8-12 sec IF it procs at all Whoever was shooting me.. my HP droped so fast.. not even had time to type "left" in Alderaan before i hit the ground. On a side note. I have a friend playing a VG Shield spec.. BM gear, dam good tank. He told me he lost 500 HP just cause he switched Mods from his old armor into a new set.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DuriZap Posted April 13, 2012 Share Posted April 13, 2012 there's your problem right there... What a lame troll post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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