Ridokou Posted March 30, 2012 Posted March 30, 2012 I like apples. You like oranges. My apple is more important than your orange and thus everyone should like apples. Your orange is more important than my apple, thus everyone should like your oranges. We can conceivably create and Apporange? But really? That just sounds weird and unappetizing. Please, freely replace apple and orange with class balance, economy crisis, pvp, pve, bugs, etc. till you get the point. Thanks.
Dariuss Posted March 30, 2012 Posted March 30, 2012 (edited) what? What's hard to understand? He's trying to show that no matter what happens a portion of the players won't be happy. This is why no matter what any game developer does there is QQing on the forum. "How could you..." "Why don't you see thsi obvious thing..." "Are you TRYING to kill the game..." etc... Edited March 30, 2012 by Dariuss
Datamonger Posted March 30, 2012 Posted March 30, 2012 I like apples. You like oranges. My apple is more important than your orange and thus everyone should like apples. Your orange is more important than my apple, thus everyone should like your oranges. We can conceivably create and Apporange? But really? That just sounds weird and unappetizing. Please, freely replace apple and orange with class balance, economy crisis, pvp, pve, bugs, etc. till you get the point. Thanks. I like that it's sarcastically dumbed down and still lacks a valid point.
chimex Posted March 30, 2012 Posted March 30, 2012 (edited) I like apples. You like oranges. My apple is more important than your orange and thus everyone should like apples. Your orange is more important than my apple, thus everyone should like your oranges. We can conceivably create and Apporange? But really? That just sounds weird and unappetizing. Please, freely replace apple and orange with class balance, economy crisis, pvp, pve, bugs, etc. till you get the point. Thanks. lol I liked that, sums it up rather well x ps: fyi, I like apples Edited March 30, 2012 by chimex
TheBBP Posted March 30, 2012 Posted March 30, 2012 I like apples, but I can adapt to oranges. Rollin' with the punches.
Ansultares Posted March 30, 2012 Posted March 30, 2012 (edited) Fans wanted Advanced Quest Tracker. Better to just listen to what fans want, and then sort out which ideas are actually good, and which are just stupid, like AQT. I can happily live without macros or addons if the tradeoff was AQT being buried forever. Edited March 30, 2012 by Ansultares
TheBBP Posted March 30, 2012 Posted March 30, 2012 Fans wanted Advanced Quest Tracker. Better to just listen what fans want, and then sort out which ideas are actually good, and which are just stupid, like AQT. I would not let this forum pick the print on my paper towels. BioWare should listen to their in-game feedback and data. Not this forum.
kevlarto Posted March 30, 2012 Posted March 30, 2012 I like apples. You like oranges. My apple is more important than your orange and thus everyone should like apples. Your orange is more important than my apple, thus everyone should like your oranges. We can conceivably create and Apporange? But really? That just sounds weird and unappetizing. Please, freely replace apple and orange with class balance, economy crisis, pvp, pve, bugs, etc. till you get the point. Thanks. you are correct, 1 million fans have 1 million different ideas, and everyones idea is the right idea to them.. so what your saying is we are a fruit bowl..LOL
Ansultares Posted March 30, 2012 Posted March 30, 2012 (edited) BioWare should listen to their in-game feedback and data.In-game feedback usually consists of something like "I don't feel like my character progressed because the graphics of my boots didn't change," a real complaint that a real BW developer actually cited in reference to the mod system. It's even less valuable than the most vitriolic and least constructive of forum threads; at least there's the chance for a worthwhile response in such a thread. There's no choice but to dumb the game down for the guy who complains about his boot graphics. Edited March 30, 2012 by Ansultares
TheBBP Posted March 30, 2012 Posted March 30, 2012 (edited) In-game feedback usually consists of something like "I don't feel like my character progressed because the graphics of my boots didn't change," a real complaint that a real BW developer actually cited in reference to the mod system. It's even less valuable than the most vitriolic and least constructive of forum threads; at least there's the chance for a worthwhile response in such a thread. There's no choice but to dumb the game down for the guy who complains about his boot graphics. What qualifies you to speak about what in-game feedback consists of? If they listen to this forum, the game will not be "fixed" until every ability for every class fires at the exact same time for the exact same duration for the exact same damage and when they start paying people to play Republic so it will be fair. Edited March 30, 2012 by TheBBP
TheSwamper Posted March 30, 2012 Posted March 30, 2012 I would not let this forum pick the print on my paper towels. BioWare should listen to their in-game feedback and data. Not this forum. The OP's point still stands. Some people say 'leveling is too fast', others say 'leveling is too slow'. There are many other issues where opinions are at opposites. To which feedback should Bioware listen or respond?
Ansultares Posted March 30, 2012 Posted March 30, 2012 What qualifies you to speak about what in-game feedback consists of?Way to fall back on that tired line instead of engaging in the discussion.
TheBBP Posted March 30, 2012 Posted March 30, 2012 Way to fall back on that tired line instead of engaging in the discussion. How else should I have responded to your fabricated nonsense?
Ansultares Posted March 30, 2012 Posted March 30, 2012 (edited) How else should I have responded to your fabricated nonsense?What was fabricated? That was an actual complaint that an actual BW employee offered up as actual feedback when testing the mod system. Shame on them for thinking boot graphics were more important than gameplay. Anyway.... If they listen to this forum, the game will not be "fixed" until every ability for every class fires at the exact same time for the exact same duration for the exact same damage and when they start paying people to play Republic so it will be fair.I said they should listen to the forum, and make their own decisions on what is worthwhile. At least the forums produce a discussion; in-game feedback produces one-sided complaints such as the one I mentioned, one which received actual developer attention and focus. Edited March 30, 2012 by Ansultares
Coiffio Posted March 30, 2012 Posted March 30, 2012 In-game feedback usually consists of something like "I don't feel like my character progressed because the graphics of my boots didn't change," a real complaint that a real BW developer actually cited in reference to the mod system. It's even less valuable than the most vitriolic and least constructive of forum threads; at least there's the chance for a worthwhile response in such a thread. There's no choice but to dumb the game down for the guy who complains about his boot graphics. Precisely. In msot mmos I've played, you'd get the most constructive feedback from forums. People who run numbers, or do extensive testing on their own time. I'm not saying all things said on the forum are useful (far from it). You have a better chance to get useful feedback from someone who objectively sees the game's faults. Not someone complaining about boots as you mentioned.
Ansultares Posted March 30, 2012 Posted March 30, 2012 (edited) I'm not saying all things said on the forum are useful (far from it).99.999999% of it could be useless, and it's still more valuable to the developers than in-game feedback. Edited March 30, 2012 by Ansultares
casirabit Posted March 30, 2012 Posted March 30, 2012 Considering lately most of the post on the forums is from people complainin about someone being able to kill them and they keep calling for "nerfs" to every single class the forums isn't a good place for them to look either.
TheBBP Posted March 30, 2012 Posted March 30, 2012 What was fabricated? That was an actual complaint that an actual BW employee offered up as actual feedback when testing the mod system. Shame on them for thinking boot graphics were more important than gameplay. Anyway.... I said they should listen to the forum, and make their own decisions on what is worthwhile. At least the forums produce a discussion; in-game feedback produces one-sided complaints such as the one I mentioned, one which received actual developer attention and focus. Are you going to tell me that you truly believe that their in-game feedback and data for the most part only shows that people don't like their boots? Do you sensationalize much?
Vahzl Posted March 30, 2012 Posted March 30, 2012 (edited) Bad analogy, as apples and oranges go together really well. Edited March 30, 2012 by Vahzl
Tahana Posted March 30, 2012 Posted March 30, 2012 Bad analogy, as apples and oranges go together really well. Personally I'd rather have a pear or banana.
Kaskava Posted March 30, 2012 Posted March 30, 2012 I like apples. You like oranges. My apple is more important than your orange and thus everyone should like apples. Your orange is more important than my apple, thus everyone should like your oranges. We can conceivably create and Apporange? But really? That just sounds weird and unappetizing. Please, freely replace apple and orange with class balance, economy crisis, pvp, pve, bugs, etc. till you get the point. Thanks. WoWCrendor made a video about this very problem. It's aimed towards Blizzard and nerfing, but it applies to every MMO, really. Also, gimme my Orapple.
Goretzu Posted March 30, 2012 Posted March 30, 2012 I like apples. You like oranges. My apple is more important than your orange and thus everyone should like apples. Your orange is more important than my apple, thus everyone should like your oranges. We can conceivably create and Apporange? But really? That just sounds weird and unappetizing. Please, freely replace apple and orange with class balance, economy crisis, pvp, pve, bugs, etc. till you get the point. Thanks. So your solution is: Do nothingShut the game downLearn to weaveEat a cheese sandwich There's a few things that clearly would help with a lot of people. Just because nothing pleases everyone doesn't mean that it's not sensible to maybe think about doing the things that please a lot of people.
Kaskava Posted March 30, 2012 Posted March 30, 2012 99.999999% of it could be useless, and it's still more valuable to the developers than in-game feedback. To an extent. If we're talking about aesthtics, then yes. However, if we're talking about content difficulty, then no. If you really want to gauge where an encounter is at, you have to look at where you want people to be, and where they are. If you want 50% of your player base killing NM Soa, and only 10% (pulled the numbers out of my ***) are, then you need to re-adjust the encounter. If you want 75% of your player-base to hit 50 after 200 hours, but 90% is doing it in fifty, you need to evaluate the difficulty of the mobs, instances, and see how many are skipping the story.
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