Riposte in PvP at level 50?

[Marqhill]

I'm going to throw this question out to any Jedi Knight who cares to answer it. I currently play a Jedi Guardian DPS and I don't use Riposte... like at all. I've been level 50 for a while now and I'm currently all the way up the Vigilance Skill tree. I've got a lot of experience in PvP which is pretty much all I do since hitting 50. I'm always trying to fine tune my game play and think outside of the boxes that I build around myself as I play the game. As such, ever since switching out of full defense and switching to Full DPS I have completely removed Riposte from my rotation and my quickbar. I rebound my keys about 2 months ago and I didn't have room for Riposte and decided it had to go and didn't give it a second thought.

 

I only started thinking of it again when I was leveling a character on the 1.2 Public test server and I threw it into my rotation because it was the ability I had available to me. When I started playing the game I didn't really understand how the attack worked but looking back at it I actually learned to like the ability in Pre-50 PvP. It did good damage and you couldn't block, parry or dodge the ability or really defend it in any way. That's pretty darn good as far as I'm concerned. It's also off the global cool down so I could use it in between using other abilities so it creates a seamless string of damage between attacks.

 

Now that I've said all that I guess I should ask a question right? who uses this ability in post level 50 PvP. I feel like I am getting on fine without it but there was a time that I felt the same way about Master Strike but now I can't live without it. Have I been thinking about this ability the wrong way since hitting level 50? I like the idea that I can use it to make a continuous chain of damage between attacks at level 50 which would make my already dangerous DPS Guardian that much better. But, I might be right after all and Riposte could be completely worthless in a level 50 PvP rotation. Help me out if you wouldn't mind giving me some advice.

[CapuchinSeven]

I get what you're saying about Master Strike and I feel the same, even going as far as to use all 3 ticks, those that rant on about only using the first 2 ticks totally miss the point of why you'd want to use all 3 ticks sometimes.

 

Riposte is a call you'll have to make for yourself though, for the same amount of Focus you can do more damage but it sits off GCD so that makes it useful. My general rule is that if I'm in the defence tree and I bring it down to 1 focus cost then I'll use it and use it often, but if I'm not in defence then I won't, although it's off GCD I have better things to spend focus on in the Vig tree.

 

So if you're not using it and don't have points in the talent you're not gimping yourself if that's what you're worried about.

[Marqhill]

Your advice does make perfect sense. I don't often find myself with an extra 3 focus laying around ever 3 seconds when I'm doing my rotation. I NEVER use the regular 1 key attack like I see some Jedi Knights doing in PvP because that attack is completely worthless post 50 and there are ways for knights to generate focus without using it. With that excess focus gone there's really not much focus that I'm going to have to be able to spam that ability. Interesting, thanks for the speedy response.

[bliapis]

The riposte is usuallly used while a tanking build is active because it procs defences and thats all about tanking. also in tank spec you are severelly limited to which abilities to use. One ability is once per mninute and the other is once per 15''.

 

So that leaves room for saber storm (the scream for juggernaut at least), strike to build focus, some smash and thats it.

 

Riposte is interwined in the tank spec but its not in the other builds.

 

In the middle tree for guardian/jug, its barelly if ever used, the rage is never enough with that high cose of skills.

 

In sentinel i also never use it with Juyo form and Watchman.

 

Its certainly adding to burst albeit the cost is really high and its not really hitting for much and it doesnt proc anything.

[CapuchinSeven]

s'no problem, I've often asked myself the same questions about it myself.

[Mezira]

um...yeah use it.

 

It's only available when someone is trying to kill you. Why wouldn't you use it if your focus bar is fat with yellow bubbles? It's not on the global cooldown so I dont get what you mean by rotation because your rotations mean your typical cycle of skills. Riposte is anytime and free burst if you can afford it. I use it 2-3x a warzone and often at the end of a 1v1 fight I need to win.

[Xarheim]

I would say if you use saber ward often, use riposte just as often. I keep the two right next to eachother on my quickslot because I know that when i use saber ward, I'm going to use riposte. Other than that, i will use it very seldom because I don't always pay attention to my bars and it's rarely available for me anyway (I'm a sentinel).

[Kerishnak]

At least have it on your Bar no?

 

I am full pvp vigalance and i do know that once in a while Blade - plasma - and overhead will be on cooldown while i still have 6+ focus - So if you can why not throw down a slash+riposte if possible?

 

Vig gives you soo much focus IMO its still viable to throw down a riposte once in a while. Might be even more important to dish out that extra dps on a healer anyway.

[VoidJustice]

This may be horrible... but I trained myself from the minute I got it to use it every time it's up. I figured it was just terribad not too, never thought much of it. I made a real point of beating myself up when I missed it so it became second nature.

 

That being said... I use it... everytime it's up... seems to help... maybe it's killing my focus thou... not sure.

Edited March 26, 2012 by VoidJustice

[CapuchinSeven]

This may be horrible... but I trained myself from the minute I got it to use it every time it's up. I figured it was just terribad not too, never thought much of it. I made a real point of beating myself up when I missed it so it became second nature.

 

That being said... I use it... everytime it's up... seems to help... maybe it's killing my focus thou... not sure.

 

It's not that it's bad to use it when it's up, it's just that the cost can be more than you want to spend for what it gives back, but if focus isn't an issue for your build then you should rattle them out when you can because it's always extra DPS never "instead of *insert ability*".

[thepilk]

I use it as a Combat Sentinel during Precision. The armor ignore buff only lasts 6 seconds, and unless you use Riposte during your GCDs, you lose about 3 seconds of it to cooldowns. Riposte lets you add pressure that would otherwise just be a lull during your main burst window.