Qonor Posted March 10, 2012 Share Posted March 10, 2012 (edited) I keep thinking I didn't cast it because it's so quiet compared to everything else. Edited March 10, 2012 by Qonor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Qonor Posted March 12, 2012 Author Share Posted March 12, 2012 Wow, the lack of a sound doesn't bug anyone else? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jkcheng Posted March 12, 2012 Share Posted March 12, 2012 Not at all, the motion on the character is enough to tell me it was cast. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JumpDrive Posted March 12, 2012 Share Posted March 12, 2012 Not at all, the motion on the character is enough to tell me it was cast. Not to mention the debuff on my target, the spell going on CD and the GCD being used. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergetov Posted March 12, 2012 Share Posted March 12, 2012 All of the above plus the fact that it is such a horrible spell for it's talent point costs that no one specs into it. Your dps improves dramatically with any other build that doesn't spec into it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jkcheng Posted March 12, 2012 Share Posted March 12, 2012 All of the above plus the fact that it is such a horrible spell for it's talent point costs that no one specs into it. Your dps improves dramatically with any other build that doesn't spec into it. This is flat out wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LordZanos Posted March 12, 2012 Share Posted March 12, 2012 All of the above plus the fact that it is such a horrible spell for it's talent point costs that no one specs into it. Your dps improves dramatically with any other build that doesn't spec into it. The viable hybrid build has an incredibly marginal DPS increase and has force issues that prevent it from keeping the (rather marginal) dps boost sustainable, making it's advantage against any raid boss negligible. PVP is a different story. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergetov Posted March 13, 2012 Share Posted March 13, 2012 The viable hybrid build has an incredibly marginal DPS increase and has force issues that prevent it from keeping the (rather marginal) dps boost sustainable, making it's advantage against any raid boss negligible. PVP is a different story. The viable hybrid is a dps increase over a strict madness build, gives you a lot more tools/force conservation than a strict madness build, and dominant in PVP over a strict madness build. You claim the advantage is negligible in pve (which I question), but even if it was, the fact that it performs the same in PVE, and better in PVP, and gives you more options to boot makes it the better build. Until Creeping Terror is significantly buffed, it is not worth sacrificing the other talent perks to spec into it. If you have force issues, our class has means to negate it, not to include the boon of having biochem to boot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LordZanos Posted March 13, 2012 Share Posted March 13, 2012 (edited) The viable hybrid is a dps increase over a strict madness build, gives you a lot more tools/force conservation than a strict madness build, and dominant in PVP over a strict madness build. You claim the advantage is negligible in pve (which I question), but even if it was, the fact that it performs the same in PVE, and better in PVP, and gives you more options to boot makes it the better build. Until Creeping Terror is significantly buffed, it is not worth sacrificing the other talent perks to spec into it. If you have force issues, our class has means to negate it, not to include the boon of having biochem to boot. Force in the hybrid build is managed by casting chain lightning less even though you have a wrath proc, which decreases your overall DPS, making the DPS boost in PVE marginal, if it exists at all. I assume we're talking about 0/13/25 here, considering any more points than that in the lightning tree is not giving you a significant DPS increase for raids. Biochem wouldn't help force regen...? Not sure why you even brought that up, considering that would boost the damage of both specs. Edited March 13, 2012 by LordZanos Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergetov Posted March 13, 2012 Share Posted March 13, 2012 Force in the hybrid build is managed by casting chain lightning less even though you have a wrath proc, which decreases your overall DPS, making the DPS boost in PVE marginal, if it exists at all. I assume we're talking about 0/13/25 here, considering any more points than that in the lightning tree is not giving you a significant DPS increase for raids. Biochem wouldn't help force regen...? Not sure why you even brought that up, considering that would boost the damage of both specs. Consumption, use biochem medpack to heal, rinse and repeat. Wrath procs used on crushing darkness, and the lightning barrage procs more than making up for the creeping terror dmg and GCD. If Force management was a problem, a 0/17/24 build would pretty much ensure you never run out, no matter how long the fight. Chain lightning is for trash mobs, its free cast just an added bonus, which by itself is a huge dps boost over creeping terror (if cast against more than 1 opponent). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LordZanos Posted March 13, 2012 Share Posted March 13, 2012 Consumption, use biochem medpack to heal, rinse and repeat. Wrath procs used on crushing darkness, and the lightning barrage procs more than making up for the creeping terror dmg and GCD. If Force management was a problem, a 0/17/24 build would pretty much ensure you never run out, no matter how long the fight. Chain lightning is for trash mobs, its free cast just an added bonus, which by itself is a huge dps boost over creeping terror (if cast against more than 1 opponent). Meant 0/13/28 in my last post, whoops. And again, you're losing out on both dot damage and deathfield damage with that spec. I concede the point of consumption though, hadn't considered using the reusable medpacs like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergetov Posted March 13, 2012 Share Posted March 13, 2012 True, you do give up the 30% dmg crits on dots with that spec. Where in the world is our combat log parsing!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AetherMcLoud Posted March 13, 2012 Share Posted March 13, 2012 The viable hybrid is a dps increase over a strict madness build, gives you a lot more tools/force conservation than a strict madness build, and dominant in PVP over a strict madness build. You claim the advantage is negligible in pve (which I question), but even if it was, the fact that it performs the same in PVE, and better in PVP, and gives you more options to boot makes it the better build. Until Creeping Terror is significantly buffed, it is not worth sacrificing the other talent perks to spec into it. If you have force issues, our class has means to negate it, not to include the boon of having biochem to boot. Well for Assassins it's a 30 meters gap closer on a 9 seconds cooldown which is kinda awesome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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