buubz Posted March 7, 2012 Share Posted March 7, 2012 (edited) I'm sure this has been beat to death, but the fact that this is usable on the ball carrier completely breaks Huttball as a warzone. It's an entirely comp dependant warzone at this point, and if you have leaps/team pulls, you instantly have an advantage, not to mention the insane ranged bias that's already present. Either disable these abilities on the ball carrier, or redesign this gimmick of a map. EDIT: For those that don't read the rest of my posts, I'll just summarize what I believe to be the best way to prevent rescue chain abuse. If there was a debuff placed on the player that was just Rescued, that would not allow the use of rescue on that player for 10-15 seconds. This would allow for a full resolve bar to diminish and give the defending team the possibility of defending past the first pull, as the carrier would either have to pass the ball (and risk the ball getting intercepted or the receiver being pulled/CCed/killed) or try to run it as his resolve bar emptied. Any other ideas that would still leave the ability useful, but still give a tactical edge without being abusable would be greatly appreciated! Edited March 7, 2012 by buubz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morticoccus Posted March 7, 2012 Share Posted March 7, 2012 Why not just have them drop the ball if used, same as stealth? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henu Posted March 7, 2012 Share Posted March 7, 2012 I'm sure this has been beat to death, but the fact that this is usable on the ball carrier completely breaks Huttball as a warzone. It's an entirely comp dependant warzone at this point, and if you have leaps/team pulls, you instantly have an advantage, not to mention the insane ranged bias that's already present. Either disable these abilities on the ball carrier, or redesign this gimmick of a map. Both teams have this ability just like the BH/trooper has the pull away ability, its here to stay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TyrantLeader Posted March 7, 2012 Share Posted March 7, 2012 Why not just have them drop the ball if used, same as stealth? :shakes head: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buubz Posted March 7, 2012 Author Share Posted March 7, 2012 Even that would be productive at this point, but the fact of the matter is leaps/pulls break that map fundamentally. They remove the need to pass, and just make it a 'give ball to tank, leap, pull, pull score!'. I doubt this was intended but Bioware has shown that they have 0 clue on what constitutes balanced gameplay at this point, so I'm not surprised this hasn't been addressed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henu Posted March 7, 2012 Share Posted March 7, 2012 Im sorry but i think its you that has no clue, it just seems you have come up against a team knowing what they are doing in Hutt Ball it seems that you just a little upset. If BW took out all the abilities that people are complaining about then what type of game would we have? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maximilus Posted March 7, 2012 Share Posted March 7, 2012 Even that would be productive at this point, but the fact of the matter is leaps/pulls break that map fundamentally. They remove the need to pass, and just make it a 'give ball to tank, leap, pull, pull score!'. I doubt this was intended but Bioware has shown that they have 0 clue on what constitutes balanced gameplay at this point, so I'm not surprised this hasn't been addressed. You can't be serious at all. Even with a team full of pullers/leapers, the other team can win by playing as, wait for it, a team, what a novel concept that is. Use it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buubz Posted March 7, 2012 Author Share Posted March 7, 2012 Do you really think Huttball is anything but a gimmick? Do you even PvP? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HelinCarnate Posted March 7, 2012 Share Posted March 7, 2012 (edited) Im sorry but i think its you that has no clue, it just seems you have come up against a team knowing what they are doing in Hutt Ball it seems that you just a little upset. If BW took out all the abilities that people are complaining about then what type of game would we have? We would have a pretty version of rock, paper, scissors. Even then all the rock players would be crying about how OP paper is and saying that scissors is just fine as is and no buffs are needed. Edited March 7, 2012 by HelinCarnate Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henu Posted March 7, 2012 Share Posted March 7, 2012 Do you really think Huttball is anything but a gimmick? Do you even PvP? its a game... nothing more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buubz Posted March 7, 2012 Author Share Posted March 7, 2012 its a game... nothing more. yup you dont pvp Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wessik Posted March 7, 2012 Share Posted March 7, 2012 (edited) I'm sure this has been beat to death, but the fact that this is usable on the ball carrier completely breaks Huttball as a warzone. It's an entirely comp dependant warzone at this point, and if you have leaps/team pulls, you instantly have an advantage, not to mention the insane ranged bias that's already present. Either disable these abilities on the ball carrier, or redesign this gimmick of a map. although it's annoying to have this comp against you... here's a pro tip: kill or knock them off your zone ramps into the pit, tell your team to do it too Edited March 7, 2012 by wessik Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HelinCarnate Posted March 7, 2012 Share Posted March 7, 2012 although it's annoying to have this comp against you... here's a protip: kill or knock them off your zone ramps into the pit, tell your team to do it too Exactly right. Knowing that they have the power to pull the ball carier, the real quesiton is, why did your team let them get so far ahead of the ball and allow them to use their rescue power? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapox Posted March 7, 2012 Share Posted March 7, 2012 I love those post. Remove Friendly pull Remove grapple Remove charge Remove stun/root Remove Tracer missile Remove Stealth Evryting is balance on this game.Not 100% but evrything can conter evrything. Don't let sorc move ahead if you dont want them to Friendly pull. If you remove all this from Huttball. People will just Move ahead to get pass. and You will be back here on forum for a Nerf on Pass ability. Even if all class could be 100% the same.you will find a ways to call for Nerf. ~Hapox~ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buubz Posted March 7, 2012 Author Share Posted March 7, 2012 As great as protips are, groups with 2-3 sorcs/sages will completely negate the effects of a knockback just by spreading out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
_Kayko_ Posted March 7, 2012 Share Posted March 7, 2012 (edited) Myself and another Sage are notorious for moving ahead and pulling the ball carrier. You have any clue how long either of us live when we get in front of the ball carrier? As much as you want that gone.. I want to be able to do the pull while dead. Can we have force leap also drop the ball? Would be nice to not watch the same dual weld player leap to the newer player standing at the edge of the pit being a turret over and over and over and over. Edited March 7, 2012 by _Kayko_ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rohns Posted March 7, 2012 Share Posted March 7, 2012 (edited) Pull for friend players 1 AC sorc/sages Pull for enemy players 2 AC Powertech/vanguard Assassin/Shadow I think it'a a problem of teamwork and your utility class care about medals and not the ball carrier, it's not a game problem it's player's problem in huttball there are fires preventing too much sprinting, the bridges are thin so if one were on the ball carrier.... knockback, teamwork will show you how huttball really shines Edited March 7, 2012 by Rohns Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buubz Posted March 7, 2012 Author Share Posted March 7, 2012 I love those post. Remove Friendly pull Remove grapple Remove charge Remove stun/root Remove Tracer missile Remove Stealth Evryting is balance on this game.Not 100% but evrything can conter evrything. Don't let sorc move ahead if you dont want them to Friendly pull. If you remove all this from Huttball. People will just Move ahead to get pass. and You will be back here on forum for a Nerf on Pass ability. Even if all class could be 100% the same.you will find a ways to call for Nerf. ~Hapox~ It's amazing how ignorant this post is, you're insinuating that the entire teams efforts should go to protecting every single prong that the attackers can take. It's also astounding that you think that everything in this game is balanced. Specs that rely on ~2 buttons vs. Marauders/Sentinels that have to juggle energy management with an active ability list of 8+. Also, insinuating that I'm just some crybaby by saying I'd want a nerf on the pass ability is very telling of how protective this community is over things that are clearly not fair. Stay classy bud. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ainianu Posted March 7, 2012 Share Posted March 7, 2012 Pull for friend players 1 AC sorc/sages Pull for enemy players 2 AC Powertech/vanguard Assassin/Shadow I think it'a a problem of teamwork and your utility class care about medals and not the ball carrier, it's not a game problem it's player's problem in huttball there are fires preventing too much sprinting, the bridges are thin so if one were on the ball carrier.... knockback, teamwork will show you how huttball really shines Whilst i do not support the OP in the belief that Sorc/Sage rescue should be nerfed.... I tend to find Assassin/Shadow.. very very rarely have the pull ability (is it in a specific spec?) and Vanguards/Powertechs... what are they again? i dont see them in my games To OP: I have been on receiving end of teams using rescue, and been 'rescued' by my own team when i have the ball, yes this one ability has a huge advantage on Huttball, but there is LOADS of Sages and Sorcs, both teams have this ability, if the opponent is using it well tell your own team to learn to use this also. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iceperson Posted March 7, 2012 Share Posted March 7, 2012 Why not just have them drop the ball if used, same as stealth? players that use tank cds should drop the ball too. oh, and let's not forget charge. if the ball carrier is healed they should drop the ball as well... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buubz Posted March 7, 2012 Author Share Posted March 7, 2012 Pull for friend players 1 AC sorc/sages Pull for enemy players 2 AC Powertech/vanguard Assassin/Shadow I think it'a a problem of teamwork and your utility class care about medals and not the ball carrier, it's not a game problem it's player's problem in huttball there are fires preventing too much sprinting, the bridges are thin so if one were on the ball carrier.... knockback, teamwork will show you how huttball really shines This is also a very situational arguement. If my team has already exhausted ~2 stuns (or other combinations of CC effects) then the grapple a PT/Van | Sin/Shadow will have no effect because they are reliant on the target not having a full resolve bar, which is very easy to attain on a tank class, especially getting pocket healed by said sorcs/sages. The sorc/sage pull however has no bearing on the status of the player, so can be used in literally any situation bar the sorc/sage being stunned. Also, the fires you say prevent sprinting actually do nothing of the sort in the 50 bracket. Any tank with even champion gear can waltz through fire with just 1 sorc/sage bubble. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brittaany_Banks Posted March 7, 2012 Share Posted March 7, 2012 Huttball is just a piece of crap warzone to begin with. The devs will realize this once we get to pick which warzones we want to do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buubz Posted March 7, 2012 Author Share Posted March 7, 2012 (edited) Whilst i do not support the OP in the belief that Sorc/Sage rescue should be nerfed.... I tend to find Assassin/Shadow.. very very rarely have the pull ability (is it in a specific spec?) and Vanguards/Powertechs... what are they again? i dont see them in my games To OP: I have been on receiving end of teams using rescue, and been 'rescued' by my own team when i have the ball, yes this one ability has a huge advantage on Huttball, but there is LOADS of Sages and Sorcs, both teams have this ability, if the opponent is using it well tell your own team to learn to use this also. I'm not saying I havent been on both ends of the rescue ability, as I have. I've seen both the benefits and the detriments of it being used in huttball. The fact remains that it still ruins the dynamic of huttball as a competitive game. It removes the skill involved in setting up passes and replaces that with chains of rescues. Huttball is ENTIRELY a comp dependant gametype, and that's my problem with it. EDIT: And yes, the Sin/Shadow pull ability is exclusive to their respective tanking trees. Edited March 7, 2012 by buubz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
_Kayko_ Posted March 7, 2012 Share Posted March 7, 2012 Huttball is ENTIRELY a TEAM dependant gametype, and that's my problem with it. There, I fixed it for you. Seriously, kill the sage/sorc standing on the very top /dancing waiting for the ball carrier to get into range.... or, have someone grapple when they get the rescue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rohns Posted March 7, 2012 Share Posted March 7, 2012 Huttball is just a piece of crap warzone to begin with. The devs will realize this once we get to pick which warzones we want to do. Is what skilled player will like, huttball is about teamplay and skill... and of course a little about gear Voidstar and expecially Alderaan are mostly about gear and a decent team with 2 healers but that count for huttball also Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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