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Actually, the Mac does everything and more that a PC does.

 

It's all about the available software... if you're a fool and you want to spend $1200 on a computer for gaming when a $200 Xbox will work - get a PC. If you want a computer for what they were intended for PLUS some gaming... get a Mac. Period.

 

There are, literally, million of WoW players who do so from a Mac. The Mac market is huge. And growing.

 

The poster I'm quoting as uneducated and as misinformed as I've seen.

 

Bull

 

Macs are overprices, poorly optimized, pieces of crap.

 

Apple is an all around horrible company and needs to hurry up and finish dying.

 

PCs can do absolutely everything a mac can do, and better. They have better security, more access to the gaming market, are much cheaper, and far more user-friendly.

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Nothing, but that is the point. Makes Macs an overpriced computer, nothing else.

 

What concern, then, is it of yours what I decide to pay for my computer? Zero, that's what.

 

And millions of people seem to see the value that Apple provides... it's huge market, and as a mainstream entertainment software provider like BioWare, what you call an "emergent" market and precisely where you want to be poised for future growth of your business.

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Nothing, but that is the point. Makes Macs an overpriced computer, nothing else.

 

If you want to look at pure capability....they are both computers.

 

But what they can do is only part of the issue. Macs have FAR fewer security vulnerabilities. You never hear about Day Zero exploits and I haven't seen a Mac with a virus since System 7.5, and the most common one back then did one thing and one thing only...it had a chance to make a beep when an infected file opened. That's it.

 

The system architecture is cleaner, more stable, and, if you want to use the console to access the back-end, extremely powerful on its Unix base.

 

They have downsides. As you point out, they are more expensive. Working on them yourself can void the warranty (true of PCs as well though) and they are just about impossible to build from scratch compared to the huge market for PC parts that let you make a good computer for far cheaper than buying it premade. That said, most people buy a pre-made computer, and high end PCs cost just as much as a Mac.

 

There are pros and cons on both sides. Apple fanboys will certainly talk it up as the perfect machine with no flaws, but the people who bash Apple just because it's cool to be anti-(whatever is popular) and blind themselves to the clear advantages the system does have are no better.

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Bull

 

Macs are overprices, poorly optimized, pieces of crap.

 

Apple is an all around horrible company and needs to hurry up and finish dying.

 

PCs can do absolutely everything a mac can do, and better. They have better security, more access to the gaming market, are much cheaper, and far more user-friendly.

 

Whoa, seriously? You're actually going to plug Windows security as being better? LOL.

 

As for finishing dying -- uh, okay. Second biggest market cap of all US corporations, a growing user base, and one of the top PC manufacturers in the country.

 

Finish dying? What the frak? Are you delusional or just trapped in 1997?

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What concern, then, is it of yours what I decide to pay for my computer? Zero, that's what.

 

And millions of people seem to see the value that Apple provides... it's huge market, and as a mainstream entertainment software provider like BioWare, what you call an "emergent" market and precisely where you want to be poised for future growth of your business.

 

So what you are saying is that you can't answer my question on what advantage the Mac has over a Windows PC? What makes the extra $1000 worth it? And apparently Mac is not a big factor with EA when they only have 26 games on their website for Mac OS and about 80% of those games are Sims.

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Indeed. And don't stop with home users. If you worked for a large company that is computer heavy, the chances are great they will ALL be PC.

 

Pretty sure that number is actually inflated by the fact that most companies, and every government office, uses PCs.

 

The Apple home market penetration is quite high and rising.

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Can't play SWTOR on a mac without bootcamp and this is the SWTOR forums so I think your argument is pretty fail.

 

So the reason SWTOR shouldn't support Macs is because SWTOR doesn't support Macs?

 

Getting dizzy from your circular reasoning?

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Whoa, seriously? You're actually going to plug Windows security as being better? LOL.

 

As for finishing dying -- uh, okay. Second biggest market cap of all US corporations, a growing user base, and one of the top PC manufacturers in the country.

 

Finish dying? What the frak? Are you delusional or just trapped in 1997?

 

Jobs prior to his passing alreadymentioned apple's cash cow is Electronic gadgets aka Ipod touch, phone etc. and not computers.

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Pretty sure that number is actually inflated by the fact that most companies, and every government office, uses PCs.

 

The Apple home market penetration is quite high and rising.

 

Exactly... especially domestic consumer market share is reported as high as 20-25%... that's huge.

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See, that response is perfectly reasonable. I have no problem with it coming out later. Ideally it wouldn't, but this isn't an ideal world. I'm okay with paying the extra because I knew this was a game I would enjoy.

 

It was the statement by DE in the Livestream that was the problem. Apparently no one showed him that link.

 

Of course, he also said it runs fine in "Bootstrap" and he is their RP design guy, so probably shouldn't take too much that he says on the technical side too seriously.

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Jobs knew where the cash cow was...

 

Delivering his keynote speech at the Macworld Expo on January 9, 2007, Jobs announced that Apple Computer, Inc. would from that point on be known as Apple Inc., because computers were no longer the main focus of the company, which had shifted its emphasis to mobile electronic devices. The event also saw the announcement of the iPhone and the Apple TV.[85] The following day, Apple shares hit $97.80, an all-time high at that point. In May, Apple's share price passed the $100 mark.[86]

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Exactly... especially domestic consumer market share is reported as high as 20-25%... that's huge.

 

And let's keep in mind the context. This wasn't about some next-gen FPS that was aimed at the high-end PC gamer market. This was in the context of devoting large amount of resources to optimizing it for the bottom of the barrel PCs so people could get their non-gamer friends and family involved. A Mac gamer might be willing to drop the extra $100+, but his friends and family who don't currently play MMOs probably aren't, and they certainly won't go buy a new PC just to do so. If you want to have a team dedicated to increasing the market for recruited non-traditional players, a Mac Client is hands down the largest pool to tap into.

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Jobs knew where the cash cow was...

 

Delivering his keynote speech at the Macworld Expo on January 9, 2007, Jobs announced that Apple Computer, Inc. would from that point on be known as Apple Inc., because computers were no longer the main focus of the company, which had shifted its emphasis to mobile electronic devices. The event also saw the announcement of the iPhone and the Apple TV.[85] The following day, Apple shares hit $97.80, an all-time high at that point. In May, Apple's share price passed the $100 mark.[86]

 

First of all, those are not Jobs' words.

 

Second of all, what will you do when Apple renames Mac OS X to iOS Desktop and then suddenly, based on devices, utterly OWNS Windows in market share? There will be more people with an iOS system than Windows.

 

Think about it... where will developers go?

 

Exactly.

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Macs have FAR fewer security vulnerabilities. You never hear about Day Zero exploits and I haven't seen a Mac with a virus since System 7.5, and the most common one back then did one thing and one thing only...it had a chance to make a beep when an infected file opened.

 

If 90% of computers were Mac then you would see hackers targeting that OS instead of Windows. It isn't worth it for a hacker to make a PC and a Mac version.... Just like most software developers.

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Jobs prior to his passing alreadymentioned apple's cash cow is Electronic gadgets aka Ipod touch, phone etc. and not computers.

 

Which is irrelevant to any assertion that Apple needs to "finish dying."

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First of all, those are not Jobs' words.

 

Second of all, what will you do when Apple renames Mac OS X to iOS Desktop and then suddenly, based on devices, utterly OWNS Windows in market share? There will be more people with an iOS system than Windows.

 

Think about it... where will developers go?

 

Exactly.

 

Enjoy your overpriced multimedia desktop. Am sure youtube roxxor on your Mac.

 

Exactly

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