WonderLlama-Con Posted March 6, 2012 Share Posted March 6, 2012 (edited) My guild and I are a bit confused at the moment. Most of us are level 50, and the majority of our 50s have at least done the Balmorra and Illum PVE daily quests to the point that our gear sets have all the purple mods you can get from the daily commendations. Not the best gear in the game, granted, but not the worst. We are a smallish guild, so we had 4 people on, and decided to try The Essles Flashpoint on hard mode. The mobs seemed to be pretty tame. But we got to that first boss and he was killing off our members in ONE SHOT. Is it completely impossible to do a Hardmode Flashpoint without first obtaining gear from either Tier 1 Endgame PVP Vendors, or Tier 1 Endgame PVE vendors? Would it be easier for us simply to look for other guilds to try and do Operations with before we try any more Hard Mode flashpoints? Thank you for your time and input. Edited March 6, 2012 by WonderLlama-Con Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solar_Breeze Posted March 6, 2012 Share Posted March 6, 2012 what most likely happened was you hit an enrage timer if you were being one shot. Playing on Imperial side I can only remember parts of that first flashpoint from Beta, Sometimes theres things that the tank to do, such as kite etc.. which can stop them from being 1 shot by the boss. I'd suggest your dps have a look to see if they can improve their rotations and things like that, theres some great advice in the class specific forums. In terms of Ops i was surprised at how 'easy' normal mode was when our guild started running them. Our tanks and one healer had mostly completed columi sets from just hard modes (waiting for people to hit 50) but the rest were in a similar situation to you guys. Don't be afraid to give them a try. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
haliy Posted March 6, 2012 Share Posted March 6, 2012 In some cases, check to see if the boss has a certain strategy you need to follow. Sometimes, if somebody does something that they shouldn't be doing at the time, that person will be reaping the rewards with a one way ticket to the med center. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ohnoto Posted March 6, 2012 Share Posted March 6, 2012 When we started doing Operations, we were also doing Flashpoints nightly for gear, and still are for the most part. We've since started doing hard modes. I would suggest making sure your group also knows the strategies to the operation bosses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Natarii Posted March 6, 2012 Share Posted March 6, 2012 This may seem obvious to some, so excuse me if this is not the case, but you may have an improper group make-up. Esseles and Black Talon on normal mode were designed to be done any 2 players of any combination; the same is NOT true of hardmode. Hardmode flashpoints as well as operations require (at least) 1 'tank' character - someone with high defensive stats and hit points - and (at least) 1 'healer' - someone dedicated ONLY to keeping the group alive and not focussing on damage. The remaining slots are for 'dps' - damage dealing charactes that typically cannot TAKE very much damage without being in serious danger of dying. In summary, a standard 4-man group for any hardmode flashpoint must include a tank, a healer and 2 dps. 4 dps players will not be successful. Again, I appologize if this seems basic, and I do not mean to offend, but to players new to MMO gaming in general may not understand this concept that so many of us take for granted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leafgreen Posted March 13, 2012 Share Posted March 13, 2012 (edited) My guild and I are a bit confused at the moment. Most of us are level 50, and the majority of our 50s have at least done the Balmorra and Illum PVE daily quests to the point that our gear sets have all the purple mods you can get from the daily commendations. Not the best gear in the game, granted, but not the worst. We are a smallish guild, so we had 4 people on, and decided to try The Essles Flashpoint on hard mode. The mobs seemed to be pretty tame. But we got to that first boss and he was killing off our members in ONE SHOT. Is it completely impossible to do a Hardmode Flashpoint without first obtaining gear from either Tier 1 Endgame PVP Vendors, or Tier 1 Endgame PVE vendors? Would it be easier for us simply to look for other guilds to try and do Operations with before we try any more Hard Mode flashpoints? Thank you for your time and input. My guild just had the same thing happen i'm afraid. Black Talon, first hard mode for any of us. Juggernaut, Marauder, Sniper, Sorceror. Defense, dps, dps, healer. We all have orange gear with the lvl 51 purple mods from dailies and implants/earpieces/belts/etc from the centurion/champion pvp vendors. The first big bad droid in the engine room just wasn't doable by us at all, after 6 wipes we called it. A few minutes into the fight with everything seeming to be okay 1 person would go down fast, another a few seconds later, then wipe. One and two shot us all. Tanks would go in and do their stuff, sniper would pull off all the probe droids, healer did her thing and we couldn't get it under 30% health. It seems like a pretty simple fight from the guides we quickly browsed to see if there was a trick we needed to do. If we'd come close to killing or at least killed this peon boss along the path to the end boss i'd just assume somebody had bad rotations or something, but do people do this easily without battlemaster pvp gear or operation gear? Edited March 13, 2012 by Leafgreen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darnu Posted March 14, 2012 Share Posted March 14, 2012 (edited) My guild and I are a bit confused at the moment. Most of us are level 50, and the majority of our 50s have at least done the Balmorra and Illum PVE daily quests to the point that our gear sets have all the purple mods you can get from the daily commendations. Not the best gear in the game, granted, but not the worst. We are a smallish guild, so we had 4 people on, and decided to try The Essles Flashpoint on hard mode. The mobs seemed to be pretty tame. But we got to that first boss and he was killing off our members in ONE SHOT. Is it completely impossible to do a Hardmode Flashpoint without first obtaining gear from either Tier 1 Endgame PVP Vendors, or Tier 1 Endgame PVE vendors? Would it be easier for us simply to look for other guilds to try and do Operations with before we try any more Hard Mode flashpoints? Thank you for your time and input. as a general rule when something is hitting that hard you're doing something wrong. Try looking up bosses after a wipe when you've noticed something odd like that. You'll rarely find misinformation on a website or strat guide. If you're really not confident and you know someone who's done the content ask them to come with you and teach you guys how to do it. I haven't done the fight personally, but it sounds like you're hitting an enrage timer. Which means having 2 tanks is an absolute no-no as the damage from 2 dps's is required. 2 tanks is more of an operations thing than a flashpoint. Edited March 14, 2012 by Darnu Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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