Santaro Posted March 5, 2012 Share Posted March 5, 2012 If you've been playing the game since launch in late 2011, those Legacy levels will finally be good for something after 1.2. Specifically, they'll let you set up a family tree, where you can arrange your characters and earn bonuses. Getting to level 50 will unlock that character's race for all classes you create thereafter, bypassing the regular class and race restrictions. "If you were to play a character to level 50 with all the races, you could create any class of any race," said Ohlen. "We know that not many people are going to do that because it's kind of crazy, so we also gave the option for players to purchase some of the unlocks." Ohlen said the race purchases will be made only with in-game currency. Source - http://pc.ign.com/articles/121/1219843p1.html Here is the problem that I have with this. If a player has chose to be human as there first character then they pretty much are screwed as all classes are available to be human. Also from a story aspect I really cant see a sith pureblood being a Trooper for example. I really have a problem with this and it seems to penalize the player for selecting humans as im sure Majority of players have. Sound Off your Opinion ..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cepheid Posted March 5, 2012 Share Posted March 5, 2012 (edited) Yes, it's not all that well thought out. Essentially you're required to level on the opposite faction without your friends with no cross faction dialogue in order to even really take advantage of the system. Also those who've already rolled multiple human alts are screwed and gain nothing. It looks like a lazy way of attempting to fix faction imbalance at the expense of multiplayer functionality again. Essentially the game is becoming more and more a single player game with a sub. Edited March 5, 2012 by Cepheid Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ebbikenezer Posted March 5, 2012 Share Posted March 5, 2012 A vanity perk that isn't well thought out? Lol, there's really not much to say to that except: nothing will please you. Most likely you will find fault with TONS of things in life if a choice of race in an MMO gets you worked up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dawtree Posted March 5, 2012 Share Posted March 5, 2012 Here is the problem that I have with this. If a player has chose to be human as there first character then they pretty much are screwed as all classes are available to be human...I really have a problem with this and it seems to penalize the player for selecting humans as im sure Majority of players have. Sound Off your Opinion ..... Just to point this out "We know that not many people are going to do that because it's kind of crazy, so we also gave the option for players to purchase some of the unlocks." Ohlen said the race purchases will be made only with in-game currency. " Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShadowOfVey Posted March 5, 2012 Share Posted March 5, 2012 Since it says you can purchase the races with in game currency too, it isn't that big a deal to me. I'm not rich but that's only because I haven't bothered. If something came out that required a credit unlock, even if it was expensive...I doubt I'd have any trouble getting the money together to buy it if I cared (and neither would any other lev 50). Unless it was 100 million credits or something, I doubt it'd be that expensive though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cepheid Posted March 5, 2012 Share Posted March 5, 2012 (edited) A vanity perk that isn't well thought out? Lol, there's really not much to say to that except: nothing will please you. Most likely you will find fault with TONS of things in life if a choice of race in an MMO gets you worked up. You really place a lot of value on your ability to gauge a person's emotional state based on text? My view on the reasoning behind their choices is more objective than your attempts at telling me how I feel about the situation so perhaps you should find another line of work. Like most things in my life I choose not to interject my own feelings into them and refer to it as the absolute truth. Goodbye now troll. Edited March 5, 2012 by Cepheid Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Santaro Posted March 5, 2012 Author Share Posted March 5, 2012 A vanity perk that isn't well thought out? Lol, there's really not much to say to that except: nothing will please you. Most likely you will find fault with TONS of things in life if a choice of race in an MMO gets you worked up. Its stating an unbalance. I can care less of vanity issues but its a solid argument. Players who have chosen to play human and created alts etc.. are not given anything as to oppose those that played other races. Thats the issue. So basically what its Saying .. "hey you chose human you get nothing" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spicycookie Posted March 5, 2012 Share Posted March 5, 2012 That works for me... I'm a boring person... i created all my toons with the same female face and attributes as all human for all 5 toons... I'm in the minority though If you've been playing the game since launch in late 2011, those Legacy levels will finally be good for something after 1.2. Specifically, they'll let you set up a family tree, where you can arrange your characters and earn bonuses. Getting to level 50 will unlock that character's race for all classes you create thereafter, bypassing the regular class and race restrictions. "If you were to play a character to level 50 with all the races, you could create any class of any race," said Ohlen. "We know that not many people are going to do that because it's kind of crazy, so we also gave the option for players to purchase some of the unlocks." Ohlen said the race purchases will be made only with in-game currency. Source - http://pc.ign.com/articles/121/1219843p1.html Here is the problem that I have with this. If a player has chose to be human as there first character then they pretty much are screwed as all classes are available to be human. Also from a story aspect I really cant see a sith pureblood being a Trooper for example. I really have a problem with this and it seems to penalize the player for selecting humans as im sure Majority of players have. Sound Off your Opinion ..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Santaro Posted March 5, 2012 Author Share Posted March 5, 2012 Just to point this out "We know that not many people are going to do that because it's kind of crazy, so we also gave the option for players to purchase some of the unlocks." Ohlen said the race purchases will be made only with in-game currency. " Yes , true that you can purchase it which is nice but, I think we are missing the point here. Its a matter of balancing the rewards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dawgtide Posted March 5, 2012 Share Posted March 5, 2012 Its stating an unbalance. I can care less of vanity issues but its a solid argument. Players who have chosen to play human and created alts etc.. are not given anything as to oppose those that played other races. Thats the issue. So basically what its Saying .. "hey you chose human you get nothing" Well if you played human, then you had the option of playing any class. I chose Chiss, so I was locked in to Bounty Hunter or Imperial Agent. I think your point about people like me getting a perk in that I unlock all classes for chiss, but on the other side of the coin, you were able to play any class you wanted from the start as a human. FWIW, I do choose based on what I like so I won't unlock all races. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dawtree Posted March 5, 2012 Share Posted March 5, 2012 Its stating an unbalance. I can care less of vanity issues but its a solid argument. Players who have chosen to play human and created alts etc.. are not given anything as to oppose those that played other races. Thats the issue. So basically what its Saying .. "hey you chose human you get nothing" Not entirely true. In order to unlock a race, a person has to spend the time to level that character to 50. Alternatively, you can buy the race through legacy. Both involve some sort of time investment, so those who only have human characters can use all those credits to buy the new races, as opposed to the time sink of making alts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cancrizans Posted March 5, 2012 Share Posted March 5, 2012 A vanity perk that isn't well thought out? Lol, there's really not much to say to that except: nothing will please you. Most likely you will find fault with TONS of things in life if a choice of race in an MMO gets you worked up. This isn't simply a "vanity" perk...allowing some of these races to be rolled opposite faction will make a mockery of the lore and make the game feel silly and lacking foundation. The removal of restrictions on color crystals is bad enough, but I can live with it. Seeing Purebloods and Chiss running all over the Republic fleet I cannot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Qoojo Posted March 5, 2012 Share Posted March 5, 2012 I pretty much have all my slots/alts filled already, so there is no way to properly express how irrelevant this feature is for me. The only class were I would want a new option is smuggler. I don't really care for the options there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ebbikenezer Posted March 5, 2012 Share Posted March 5, 2012 Yes, it's not all that well thought out. Essentially you're required to level on the opposite faction without your friends with no cross faction dialogue in order to even really take advantage of the system. Also those who've already rolled multiple human alts are screwed and gain nothing. It looks like a lazy way of attempting to fix faction imbalance at the expense of multiplayer functionality again. Essentially the game is becoming more and more a single player game with a sub. Tell me what, exactly, is objective about these things? These are almost exclusively subjective opinions, but I am trolling because I upset you by calling you out for your obvious displeasure? I'm sorry, are you happy with these changes and your post just hides that somewhere? -They don't "require you to level without your friends" -How do you know what happens with multiple human alts?!?!?! Are you privvy to insider dev meetings and coding discussion? -What multiplayer functionality is being affected by offering you a choice that didn't exist before? -In YOUR opinion, which is in NO WAY objective. Want to debate what I have to say, that's fine. But trying to say teh trash your peddling is in any way an objective view at things? Ok then, I guess your idea of objective based decisions, debate and discusssions vastly differ from mine as I wouldn't push my personal opinion off on other people as fact WHEN I AM BEING OBJECTIVE. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oPURT Posted March 5, 2012 Share Posted March 5, 2012 Yes, it's not all that well thought out. Essentially you're required to level on the opposite faction without your friends with no cross faction dialogue in order to even really take advantage of the system. Also those who've already rolled multiple human alts are screwed and gain nothing. It looks like a lazy way of attempting to fix faction imbalance at the expense of multiplayer functionality again. Essentially the game is becoming more and more a single player game with a sub. It's more well thought out then your lame arguement is. Kinda wishing you would nerf your dialogue. I really have no idea how to respond to this that won't get me banned, so I guess I'm done. For now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ebbikenezer Posted March 5, 2012 Share Posted March 5, 2012 Its stating an unbalance. I can care less of vanity issues but its a solid argument. Players who have chosen to play human and created alts etc.. are not given anything as to oppose those that played other races. Thats the issue. So basically what its Saying .. "hey you chose human you get nothing" And this is the exact attitude that ultimately ruins an MMO. So, when is it okay for me to say: "Hey, umm, I know I chose to play an Inquisitor but it's REALLY not fair that I don't have a mini-chaingun!!!!" How about: "I know I don't PvP, but I should absolutely be ENTITLED to MINIMUM Battlemaster PvP gear because, hey I spend a LOT of time running FPs and Ops, and time spent in the game should be rewarded on whatever items I want to use at the time." Yes, the examples I give are a stretch, BUT it's where this mentality leads to. You chose to play a human, so be it, you made a choice. There are no time machines, we make choices all day, in life, in games, at work, at home, we can't simple go "Well I know I chose not to go into the Lottery pool at work, but NOW since you guys won OF COURSE I wanted in!! It's NOT FAIR that you guys played when I chose not to and now I don't get to collect!!!" I understand the argument, I just don't agree with the "gimme gimme coz I think you should" mentality. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Santaro Posted March 5, 2012 Author Share Posted March 5, 2012 Not entirely true. In order to unlock a race, a person has to spend the time to level that character to 50. Alternatively, you can buy the race through legacy. Both involve some sort of time investment, so those who only have human characters can use all those credits to buy the new races, as opposed to the time sink of making alts. True, valid point but, it doesnt say all races are available, states certain combos will be available. Will have to see when it goes live very good point though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gibmachine Posted March 5, 2012 Share Posted March 5, 2012 (edited) If anything, such a feature should be faction-restricted. Pureblood BHs are somewhat fine I guess but going as far as pureblood Trooper or Chiss Jedi isn't. Edited March 5, 2012 by gibmachine Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tenacity Posted March 5, 2012 Share Posted March 5, 2012 I just really hope that purchasing unlocks isnt all that expensive, here I've been waiting for the 1.2 legacy patch update so I can make a miraluka sith, only to find out that I'm essentially screwed out of that option because I've never played republic. They'd better add new races with this patch too, I've been b*tching at bioware for not including a decent selection of species since 6 months back into beta, tired of waiting for simple crap to get added to the game that should've been in at launch. We're still playing a beta, whether anyone likes to admit it or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drduncan Posted March 5, 2012 Share Posted March 5, 2012 I think they're doing this to quell a lot of those requests for a faction swap... like fallen jedi and redeemed sith. You can get the visual effect with this new legacy feature but maintain the separate classes on each faction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kilikaa Posted March 5, 2012 Share Posted March 5, 2012 (edited) Does this mean we aren't getting new races to play, such as Cathar or Togruta? I thought we were getting NEW races to play in 1.2, not the current races now with the ability to open them for all classes. And how does this help people who already have eight characters and have spent time leveling them well into the 30s? I want a Twi'lek BH but if I have to delete my Ratataki then I have to start over from scratch. at the very least I hope they give us two additional slots so we can take advantage of this Legacy feature. Edited March 5, 2012 by Kilikaa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vlacke Posted March 5, 2012 Share Posted March 5, 2012 I would like more character slots also. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gwena Posted March 5, 2012 Share Posted March 5, 2012 When I read this: Getting to level 50 will unlock that character's race for all classes you create thereafter, bypassing the regular class and race restrictions. I was annoyed as well. I really want to make a Miraluka Sith, but my Miraluka Consular is only level 30-ish. If I had known about this, I would have leveled the Miraluka first 'cause my fresh level 50 is a human. Which, as the OP noted, is already playable by every class anyway. And even if class/faction specific customization options for each race are unlockable too, my level 50 is a Smuggler and doesn't have any special options like, say, a BH's tattoos. It is nice that there will be an option to purchase the race unlocks, but if it is meant to be a considerable expense then I shudder at what the cost may be in this game where some people say 2.5 mil for a white crystal is nothing. And I noticed it also said, "purchase some of the unlocks". Overall it isn't a huge deal for me, since I haven't made most of my alts yet and it is just a delay that I could have avoided, but I sure wish they had told us this a month or two ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KahnyaGnorc Posted March 5, 2012 Share Posted March 5, 2012 We're still playing a beta, whether anyone likes to admit it or not. I do not think I've ever played an MMO where I have not seen that phrase (sometimes word for word). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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