Stratoforce Posted March 5, 2012 Author Posted March 5, 2012 not trolling, but your argument would be so much better by posting said links to said videos. I would, or you could not be lazy and go through my posts. Actually, I think the last video I posted of my sage was full balance cause the hybrid spec is -that boring-. And it was also before Empire appreciation day (Ilum patch). That's when the roommate and I took a break, came back and leveled our powertech/juggernaut.
Audenlol Posted March 5, 2012 Posted March 5, 2012 Haha. So many terrible sages in this thread. I guess they need to make player icons bigger so they can see buffs and debuffs to know when to use cc for an easy kill. Guess they need more training wheels. And an amusing fact. FrOm wOw to aion to rift to here Mage type class are the easiest and op to play yet cry the most on the forums lol It's a fact
da_krall Posted March 5, 2012 Posted March 5, 2012 My class is incredibly silly. This is my spec. http://www.torhead.com/skill-calc#600Zfc0MdRrhZcMcRsMz.1 http://www.torhead.com/skill-calc#201Zfc0MdRrhZcMcRsMz.1 (Sorcerer version) 340~ Expertise. It isn't even optimized, but it is a spec that suits my playstyle, and I can beat full battlemaster geared people. I have an answer for everything, can heal myself, and get away really easily. I'd say the only thing that even comes remotely close to giving me trouble is good operatives/scoundrels and Powertechs/vanguards. Even then, it is still drastically in my favor. Every game now is against 5 sages or sorcerers + other on my server. We are the best healers, best at utility, and because of this it makes us great to have in bulk. I'd like to see more things get moved up high enough into the trees so hybrid specs aren't viable at all. Kinetic Collapse/Backlash and Electric Bindings/Force wake, combined with Madness/Wrath and Telekinetic Balance/Presence of Mind are the criminals. Please fix this, thanks. this guy has never played a saga, just died to them because he is ****. L2P.
Morticoccus Posted March 5, 2012 Posted March 5, 2012 Hi , I'm a Vanguard. What you say simply isn't true. Actually I find muraders pretty easy to take down no matter what spec I'm running , tanky or dps. My alt is a sentinel so let me say this, it is much harder to play as a Sent/Murader than a Vanguard/Powertech. As a sent you have to try much harder to achieve the same result VGs/PTs achieve with relative ease. Consider also that PVP is rarely 1v1 and a Sent/Murader cannot deal with adds quite as well. You certainly have to hit more buttons to be effective anyway. But sentinel is nonetheless much more fun to play than a vanguard/PT, also I would say that it is once again a matter of perspective. In a straight up 1v1 fight we have the matter of who initiates of the two, the presence of environmental hazards and the time frame, although for this hypothetical situation we can forget about that last part, as the time frame involved generally is how long it will take for support to arrive for either player. In a 1v1 fight the initiator gains a large advantage, besides that it boils down to skill and who has what CDs available. In a multi target environment the fight is decided by who gets help first, most of the time.
Zaodon Posted March 5, 2012 Posted March 5, 2012 Not lying at all. Thanks though. I have videos of it up, and have posted them here several times. 1. You are lying, you don't own a sage of any level 2. You have no videos. I'm sure you can link to some random sage video on youtube, but its not your video. 3. As shocking as it may sound, you are NOT the first person to lie and claim to play a Sage when you don't, in a vain attempt to get the class that beats you nerfed. Again, this is nothing more than a QQ thread from a l2p. Its a fact that sage/sorc is the single weakest 1v1 class in the game, regardless of high scoreboard numbers from AoEs and the fact that bubbles count as healing.
BoDiE Posted March 5, 2012 Posted March 5, 2012 Incorrect. Did all the sorcerers/sages suddenly forget their heal button, and how to move? I kill marauders all the time. You'd be surprised how fast back to back 3.2k crits make someone blow all their defensive cooldowns. I can burst as hard, and as fast as a powertech/vanguard. No, you really can't.
da_krall Posted March 5, 2012 Posted March 5, 2012 (edited) I play a sentinel and a sage, and the trick to beating sages/sorcerers on a sentinel is 90% finding a sorcerer that has no idea how to fight a sentinel. Seriously, don't mindlessly refresh rebuke and mindlessly try to dps through guarded by the force and you'll probably stop getting creamed by sentinels. Yeah stand around for 6 seconds while the sentienl watches you and doesnt do anything to you at all.....stupid mara/sentinel players who wont admit how OP their class is and keep saying it requires 'skill' If your playing a mara and you cant kill a sage in your sleep you are doing it wrong. Hell if you are any class and you cant beat a sorc you are doing it wrong (assuming everyone has the same level of gear) Edited March 5, 2012 by da_krall
Stratoforce Posted March 5, 2012 Author Posted March 5, 2012 1. You are lying, you don't own a sage of any level 2. You have no videos. I'm sure you can link to some random sage video on youtube, but its not your video. 3. As shocking as it may sound, you are NOT the first person to lie and claim to play a Sage when you don't, in a vain attempt to get the class that beats you nerfed. Again, this is nothing more than a QQ thread from a l2p. Its a fact that sage/sorc is the single weakest 1v1 class in the game, regardless of high scoreboard numbers from AoEs and the fact that bubbles count as healing. Keep talking, meanwhile people who have been a subscriber of the channel I do with my roommates know better. They watched me own 50s before there was a level bracket, and do rescue shenanigans in huttball. People who also look through post history can find it too. I'm not going to go out of my way to post for such a vile, and snobby brat. I apologize you are just bad at your sage, and are angry that someone called you out on this. You are the kind of person that played Mage in WoW, and whined it wasn't strong enough in PvP when it was in every number one arena team for 2 1/2 seasons straight. herpaderp.
Orangerascal Posted March 5, 2012 Posted March 5, 2012 I would, or you could not be lazy and go through my posts. Actually, I think the last video I posted of my sage was full balance cause the hybrid spec is -that boring-. And it was also before Empire appreciation day (Ilum patch). That's when the roommate and I took a break, came back and leveled our powertech/juggernaut. now I know you're trolling. Thanks for the clarification.
da_krall Posted March 5, 2012 Posted March 5, 2012 (edited) Keep talking, meanwhile people who have been a subscriber of the channel I do with my roommates know better. They watched me own 50s before there was a level bracket, and do rescue shenanigans in huttball. People who also look through post history can find it too. I'm not going to go out of my way to post for such a vile, and snobby brat. I apologize you are just bad at your sage, and are angry that someone called you out on this. You are the kind of person that played Mage in WoW, and whined it wasn't strong enough in PvP when it was in every number one arena team for 2 1/2 seasons straight. herpaderp. You have never played a sorc or sage at 50, you can tell that much by the lack of correct info in your post. Please, please, please roll one up and actually get out the 1-49 bracket before posting. Edited March 5, 2012 by da_krall
da_krall Posted March 5, 2012 Posted March 5, 2012 K. Whatever you kids say. Arh the insult reply of a kid. This insult is only insulting to a kid and hence why kids use it. Come back when you have more levels on your sorc than years on the planet.
GrandMike Posted March 5, 2012 Posted March 5, 2012 (edited) Keep talking, meanwhile people who have been a subscriber of the channel I do with my roommates know better. They watched me own 50s before there was a level bracket, and do rescue shenanigans in huttball. People who also look through post history can find it too. I'm not going to go out of my way to post for such a vile, and snobby brat. I apologize you are just bad at your sage, and are angry that someone called you out on this. You are the kind of person that played Mage in WoW, and whined it wasn't strong enough in PvP when it was in every number one arena team for 2 1/2 seasons straight. herpaderp. I also play <insert x class> with my neighbour and i say x class has absolutely no problem killing sorc/sage, and sorc/sage is weakest 1vs1 class. My neighbour also posted some video on teh youtube of us pwning some noobs pre-bracket times. Edited March 5, 2012 by GrandMike
Stratoforce Posted March 5, 2012 Author Posted March 5, 2012 Arh the insult reply of a kid. This insult is only insulting to a kid and hence why kids use it. Come back when you have more levels on your sorc than years on the planet. http://youtu.be/dI5jvNBbJ60 Last video of my sage posted. http://youtu.be/AvsrUpJBqc4 Most recent video posted, as we rather post level 50 PvP gameplay. Again, if none of you weren't lazy, ignorant snobs you could of found this stuff on your own.
Zekoisop Posted March 5, 2012 Posted March 5, 2012 This. The sorc not only have too much utility, the synergy with same class is insane when it comes to team balancing. Unless they fix the sage and sorc before competative warzones, we will, atleast on imperial side, see 60% sorcs on the teams. There are a lot fewer sages then sorcs in general so sages is seldom a problem in my opinion. Heck, I have even played hutball vs republic (I play republic) where no sages have been part of the games, and this has not happened only once or twice. This would never, ever, ever, happen on imperial side. Defending this class is redicilous. There are more sorcs than sages , true. But that's because I believe on most servers Imperials have a pretty significant population compared to Republic. However, I think the ratio of sorcs to sages is roughly the same , at least on my server. Often times people confuse Assasins for Sorcerers which is easy to do tbh. I think the best WZ configuration is half the team being sages/sorcs and the rest tank sin/shadows or jug/guardians. That's good team synergy right there.
pathiss Posted March 5, 2012 Posted March 5, 2012 My class is incredibly silly. This is my spec. http://www.torhead.com/skill-calc#600Zfc0MdRrhZcMcRsMz.1 http://www.torhead.com/skill-calc#201Zfc0MdRrhZcMcRsMz.1 (Sorcerer version) 340~ Expertise. It isn't even optimized, but it is a spec that suits my playstyle, and I can beat full battlemaster geared people. I have an answer for everything, can heal myself, and get away really easily. I'd say the only thing that even comes remotely close to giving me trouble is good operatives/scoundrels and Powertechs/vanguards. Even then, it is still drastically in my favor. Every game now is against 5 sages or sorcerers + other on my server. We are the best healers, best at utility, and because of this it makes us great to have in bulk. I'd like to see more things get moved up high enough into the trees so hybrid specs aren't viable at all. Kinetic Collapse/Backlash and Electric Bindings/Force wake, combined with Madness/Wrath and Telekinetic Balance/Presence of Mind are the criminals. Please fix this, thanks. You arent healing crap with that spec by the way. So as listed, you arent the best healer. You also wont be able to heal yourself through a single dps (cant really do it full heal spec either if the dps knows what to interrupt). Sure you can run and hide and heal, but so can operatives and mercs. Big effing deal. If the enemy lets you run and hide, their fault not the class's. A sorcs/sage HEALER actually has the least survivability of any class and are 100% reliable on other people to help them (peels and guard). A full specced sorc healer is on par with my merc, what they gain in extra healing over me, they lose in survivability. Reality check needed.
Stratoforce Posted March 5, 2012 Author Posted March 5, 2012 You arent healing crap with that spec by the way. So as listed, you arent the best healer. You also wont be able to heal yourself through a single dps (cant really do it full heal spec either if the dps knows what to interrupt). Sure you can run and hide and heal, but so can operatives and mercs. Big effing deal. If the enemy lets you run and hide, their fault not the class's. A sorcs/sage HEALER actually has the least survivability of any class and are 100% reliable on other people to help them (peels and guard). A full specced sorc healer is on par with my merc, what they gain in extra healing over me, they lose in survivability. Reality check needed. You don't heal with DPS in your face. It is called LoSing, moving to a good spot, healing yourself. Bad sages/sorcerers let themselves get into spots where they aren't controlling the fight.
Zekoisop Posted March 5, 2012 Posted March 5, 2012 You certainly have to hit more buttons to be effective anyway. But sentinel is nonetheless much more fun to play than a vanguard/PT, also I would say that it is once again a matter of perspective. In a straight up 1v1 fight we have the matter of who initiates of the two, the presence of environmental hazards and the time frame, although for this hypothetical situation we can forget about that last part, as the time frame involved generally is how long it will take for support to arrive for either player. In a 1v1 fight the initiator gains a large advantage, besides that it boils down to skill and who has what CDs available. In a multi target environment the fight is decided by who gets help first, most of the time. Have you played a high level Vanguard/PT? ( At least lvl 46?)
Orangerascal Posted March 5, 2012 Posted March 5, 2012 (edited) http://youtu.be/dI5jvNBbJ60 Last video of my sage posted. http://youtu.be/AvsrUpJBqc4 Most recent video posted, as we rather post level 50 PvP gameplay. Again, if none of you weren't lazy, ignorant snobs you could of found this stuff on your own. Your last video of your sage was when warzones were still mixed? No wonder you think there are OP. Those level 13's sure are scary!!!! Pro-tip: Change your zoom out settings to max. You gain better situational awareness. P.S. I would change my youtube name to severelydisappointing if I were you. Edited March 5, 2012 by Orangerascal
face_hindu Posted March 5, 2012 Posted March 5, 2012 You don't heal with DPS in your face. It is called LoSing, moving to a good spot, healing yourself. Bad sages/sorcerers let themselves get into spots where they aren't controlling the fight. I watched your vids. You are not a healer. And no, grabbing medpacks besides the pits does not count
Derian Posted March 5, 2012 Posted March 5, 2012 http://youtu.be/dI5jvNBbJ60 Last video of my sage posted. http://youtu.be/AvsrUpJBqc4 Most recent video posted, as we rather post level 50 PvP gameplay. Again, if none of you weren't lazy, ignorant snobs you could of found this stuff on your own. The people you are playing are really bad and letting people walk behind them. This is like a defenseman in hockey that lets a forward get behind him and doesn't care.
Stratoforce Posted March 5, 2012 Author Posted March 5, 2012 He hits so many buttons guys. Marauders are obviously hard to play.
face_hindu Posted March 5, 2012 Posted March 5, 2012 The people you are playing are really bad and letting people walk behind them. This is like a defenseman in hockey that lets a forward get behind him and doesn't care. Hey, now there's an analogy I can understand! They looked like 8 Mike Komisareks out there.
Stratoforce Posted March 5, 2012 Author Posted March 5, 2012 The people you are playing are really bad and letting people walk behind them. This is like a defenseman in hockey that lets a forward get behind him and doesn't care. It's from over a month ago, when there was no bracket. You guys claimed I didn't have a 50 sage, I proved it. Foot, mouth, enjoy. Back to topic, talents need to be rearranged, and possible buffs to certain abilities. The hybrid specs also do almost as much PvE DPS as the pure specs as well.
Belwyn Posted March 5, 2012 Posted March 5, 2012 I havent seen a single sorcerer/sage I cant walk all over, with my revenge/immortal hybrid build, running with vindicator gear. I play in Help of Graush and usually sorcerers/sages except for their healing expect are easy prey. If they are healer spec, It takes me a while to kill them, but they dont deal any dps back. So I don't understand where this whole nerf sorc/sages is coming from.
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