GrandMike Posted March 5, 2012 Posted March 5, 2012 (edited) 4k single target hit? IF you are specced deep into blance tree - 28 points min (which kinda throws hybrid spec out of the window) IF you use all boosts available IF surge hasnt been nerfed So yeah. Regular crits: around 2,5k Edited March 5, 2012 by GrandMike
face_hindu Posted March 5, 2012 Posted March 5, 2012 Yeah why would you want a class with... 10 WIN-buttons And I think you forgot the "friendly pull" which makes us all Doug Fluties in Huttball
Defang Posted March 5, 2012 Posted March 5, 2012 Clueless terribad who doesn't understand PVP, very few high ranked warzone teams will have hybrid sorcs as dps. They are squishy, easy to shut down, don't do enough damage on the assist, and are better replaced by several other classes. Until you realise that sorcs are actually mediocre in skilled group PVP, you'll stay terrible at the game. I'm sure plenty of teams will have these Lightning/Madness Hybrid specs in them. It's not about damage so much as it is about utility. Having another Rescue combined with the sprint > stomp combo is reason enough to take a Sorc over another dps class. It just seems that the Lightning/Madness Hybrid spec does the most burst damage out of the other specs. To say that Sorcs are mediocre at skilled group PVP is insanity, no other class has as many tools as the Sorc. I know its hard to see past your tinted view of Sorcs, but coming from someone who plays a Sorc, Merc and Juggernaut. The Sorc is by far the best.
GrandMike Posted March 5, 2012 Posted March 5, 2012 (edited) And I think you forgot the "friendly pull" which makes us all Doug Fluties in Huttball If you let sorc pull off friendly pull on any useful place you can only blame yoursef L2P To say that Sorcs are mediocre at skilled group PVP is insanity, no other class has as many tools as the Sorc. All the tools in the world are beside a point if you are facing dirt. Sorc doesnt do anything best, low damage, CC as many other classes, heals comparable to other healers. Edited March 5, 2012 by GrandMike
Stratoforce Posted March 5, 2012 Author Posted March 5, 2012 Stop wasting time QQ'ing and L2P your class. All boils to that. I'm QQing? Glad you learned to read and passed the fifth grade.
Livein Posted March 5, 2012 Posted March 5, 2012 I'm QQing? Glad you learned to read and passed the fifth grade. Hush hush sonny, go to bed. That nasty SI/JS owning you cause you're whiny no-skill was just a bad dream. Tomorrow you can go to Hoth again and show all those lvl 40s who's the boss.
xaven_ Posted March 5, 2012 Posted March 5, 2012 My class is incredibly silly. This is my spec. http://www.torhead.com/skill-calc#600Zfc0MdRrhZcMcRsMz.1 http://www.torhead.com/skill-calc#201Zfc0MdRrhZcMcRsMz.1 (Sorcerer version) 340~ Expertise. It isn't even optimized, but it is a spec that suits my playstyle, and I can beat full battlemaster geared people. I have an answer for everything, can heal myself, and get away really easily. I'd say the only thing that even comes remotely close to giving me trouble is good operatives/scoundrels and Powertechs/vanguards. Even then, it is still drastically in my favor. Every game now is against 5 sages or sorcerers + other on my server. We are the best healers, best at utility, and because of this it makes us great to have in bulk. I'd like to see more things get moved up high enough into the trees so hybrid specs aren't viable at all. Kinetic Collapse/Backlash and Electric Bindings/Force wake, combined with Madness/Wrath and Telekinetic Balance/Presence of Mind are the criminals. Please fix this, thanks. So you can play your class very well. Good for you! But: 1.) Being the "best" is not true because I doubt that you can beat "easily" a player who has learned to play his class as good as you. 2.) Every game being against 5 sorcs etc: Is it your personal observation? If so, mine is completely different from yours. I see other classes dominating the field.... Apart from that: Congrats for being a good player.
Dee-Jay Posted March 5, 2012 Posted March 5, 2012 Marauders and Operatives are good 1v1/duel classes. Fortunately, Warzones are rarely 1v1.
Stratoforce Posted March 5, 2012 Author Posted March 5, 2012 So you can play your class very well. Good for you! But: 1.) Being the "best" is not true because I doubt that you can beat "easily" a player who has learned to play his class as good as you. 2.) Every game being against 5 sorcs etc: Is it your personal observation? If so, mine is completely different from yours. I see other classes dominating the field.... Apart from that: Congrats for being a good player. Never claimed to be the best. It doesn't take skill to get battlemaster gear, it only takes time. As for number 2) I said on -my server- didn't I?
xaven_ Posted March 5, 2012 Posted March 5, 2012 As for number 2) I said on -my server- didn't I? Even on your server you do not take part of all games, so your statement is more perception based I guess
Stratoforce Posted March 5, 2012 Author Posted March 5, 2012 Even on your server you do not take part of all games, so your statement is more perception based I guess Even though you can't go 3 steps without hitting 2 sorcerers... Obviously, it is just my perception though!
RobyBaggio Posted March 5, 2012 Posted March 5, 2012 8 hybrid specced sages could literally keep 8 marauders rooted the ENTIRE game. The class is absurdly good in group scenarios and synergizes amazingly with itself. A team of 8 maras would get completely destroyed by 8 sages regardless of player skill. The game isn't balanced around 1v1. No they can't.
xaven_ Posted March 5, 2012 Posted March 5, 2012 Even though you can't go 3 steps without hitting 2 sorcerers... Same goes for operative if you ask me. Well, this all might be perception.
Emperor_Troll Posted March 5, 2012 Posted March 5, 2012 My class is incredibly silly. This is my spec. http://www.torhead.com/skill-calc#600Zfc0MdRrhZcMcRsMz.1 http://www.torhead.com/skill-calc#201Zfc0MdRrhZcMcRsMz.1 (Sorcerer version) 340~ Expertise. It isn't even optimized, but it is a spec that suits my playstyle, and I can beat full battlemaster geared people. I have an answer for everything, can heal myself, and get away really easily. I'd say the only thing that even comes remotely close to giving me trouble is good operatives/scoundrels and Powertechs/vanguards. Even then, it is still drastically in my favor. Every game now is against 5 sages or sorcerers + other on my server. We are the best healers, best at utility, and because of this it makes us great to have in bulk. I'd like to see more things get moved up high enough into the trees so hybrid specs aren't viable at all. Kinetic Collapse/Backlash and Electric Bindings/Force wake, combined with Madness/Wrath and Telekinetic Balance/Presence of Mind are the criminals. Please fix this, thanks. please create an unedited video documentary of you pugging 50 warzone matches, 50 1v1s and 50 premade wz matches so we can anayze the data and have a discussion. keep your videos in chronological order and make sure to mouse over your valor, gear and teammates per video so we can keep track of your progress. less talk, more data samples.
Cempa Posted March 5, 2012 Posted March 5, 2012 My class is incredibly silly. This is my spec. http://www.torhead.com/skill-calc#600Zfc0MdRrhZcMcRsMz.1 http://www.torhead.com/skill-calc#201Zfc0MdRrhZcMcRsMz.1 (Sorcerer version) 340~ Expertise. It isn't even optimized, but it is a spec that suits my playstyle, and I can beat full battlemaster geared people. I have an answer for everything, can heal myself, and get away really easily. I'd say the only thing that even comes remotely close to giving me trouble is good operatives/scoundrels and Powertechs/vanguards. Even then, it is still drastically in my favor. Every game now is against 5 sages or sorcerers + other on my server. We are the best healers, best at utility, and because of this it makes us great to have in bulk. I'd like to see more things get moved up high enough into the trees so hybrid specs aren't viable at all. Kinetic Collapse/Backlash and Electric Bindings/Force wake, combined with Madness/Wrath and Telekinetic Balance/Presence of Mind are the criminals. Please fix this, thanks. 61 Valor Assassin 61 Valor Sorcerer 5x Valor Juggernaut I now know that Sage/Sorcerer needs a re-work -not necessarily a buff but a re-work- to be competitive come Rated WZ. In Rated WZ any good team will never allow a Sage/Sorcerer to get behind in The Pit, or stand free casting in any other WZ to AE, bubble and pull! It just will not happen. Since Sage/Sorcerer is the easiest to kill -time wise- that is what will happen. All you need a Immobilize from Force Charge and a pull from a Vanguard/Powertech and the Sorcerer is long gone! I am amazed at how many people still cling to the fantasy that Sage/Sorcerer are OP. Any and all damage they do is laughable and EASILY healed. Lowest burst of any AC. DoT will be cleansed ASAP on focus target. I guess BW will buff the class by changing the type of damage they do from Energy to whatever bypasses Armor and might remove the snare aspect of FL..
Zaodon Posted March 5, 2012 Posted March 5, 2012 Hi, I'm a sage. I stopped reading there, since its clearly a lie. This thread is just another QQ from a l2p.
Stratoforce Posted March 5, 2012 Author Posted March 5, 2012 I now know that Sage/Sorcerer needs a re-work -not necessarily a buff but a re-work- to be competitive come Rated WZ. This is what I said in my OP post. I just pointed out the talents that make the hybrid spec incredibly good.
Morticoccus Posted March 5, 2012 Posted March 5, 2012 please create an unedited video documentary of you pugging 50 warzone matches, 50 1v1s and 50 premade wz matches so we can anayze the data and have a discussion. keep your videos in chronological order and make sure to mouse over your valor, gear and teammates per video so we can keep track of your progress. less talk, more data samples. That data would still only be statistically significant to him as a player specifically, in order to get a server wide or larger sample we would need correlated data from at least 20 players.
Stratoforce Posted March 5, 2012 Author Posted March 5, 2012 I stopped reading there, since its clearly a lie. This thread is just another QQ from a l2p. So, essentially you didn't read anything and assume I was QQing? Good job. You are a waste of community space.
Stratoforce Posted March 5, 2012 Author Posted March 5, 2012 That data would still only be statistically significant to him as a player specifically, in order to get a server wide or larger sample we would need correlated data from at least 20 players. I also only got 2, 2 TB harddrives too. Just 5 games is almost 700gigs worth of memory used.
Zaodon Posted March 5, 2012 Posted March 5, 2012 So, essentially you didn't read anything and assume I was QQing? Good job. You are a waste of community space. No, I read your entire post, and its blatently obvious you are lying and don't even own a sage, much less a level 50 sage. All your info was clearly pulled from information sources online, not from actual game play. Its clear as day. To reiterate: You Are Lying
Zekoisop Posted March 5, 2012 Posted March 5, 2012 A Marauder can destroy a powertech/vanguard, no questions asked. It's really not even a contest if they know what they're doing and have cd's up. I think you missed the important part. "A marauder/sentinel who knows how to fight sorcs/sages." No, most of them do not. However, the difference between one who does and one who doesn't is night and day. Hi , I'm a Vanguard. What you say simply isn't true. Actually I find muraders pretty easy to take down no matter what spec I'm running , tanky or dps. My alt is a sentinel so let me say this, it is much harder to play as a Sent/Murader than a Vanguard/Powertech. As a sent you have to try much harder to achieve the same result VGs/PTs achieve with relative ease. Consider also that PVP is rarely 1v1 and a Sent/Murader cannot deal with adds quite as well.
Stratoforce Posted March 5, 2012 Author Posted March 5, 2012 No, I read your entire post, and its blatently obvious you are lying and don't even own a sage, much less a level 50 sage. All your info was clearly pulled from information sources online, not from actual game play. Its clear as day. To reiterate: You Are Lying Not lying at all. Thanks though. I have videos of it up, and have posted them here several times.
Orangerascal Posted March 5, 2012 Posted March 5, 2012 Not lying at all. Thanks though. I have videos of it up, and have posted them here several times. not trolling, but your argument would be so much better by posting said links to said videos.
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