Assaultrooper Posted March 5, 2012 Share Posted March 5, 2012 (edited) I have been thinking of rolling a sorc, (Kinda missing the feel of my old destro lock ) My main question is how are sorcs in 1v1??? Say a marauder jumps, if your a good sorc vs a good marauder will the win by 50/50 depending on procs, crits, etc? I am asking because I am in a PvE server (Had to go there cus of my guild) but here... Sorcs really suck, I am assuming its mostly due to the players been bad... (say I interrupt their chain lighting they start backpeddaling, then turning frantically until they decide to force speed at which point I use grapple = dead sorc...) Its pretty bad exposition of what the class can do... help ? Edited March 5, 2012 by Assaultrooper Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redmarx Posted March 5, 2012 Share Posted March 5, 2012 (edited) As a marauder, sorcs are one of the easiest classes to kill, 1v1 or in group. The same is true for assassins, juggs, and powertechs. It used to be true for operatives, but they have trouble now due their kiteability. Edited March 5, 2012 by Redmarx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrekorSilverfang Posted March 5, 2012 Share Posted March 5, 2012 Sorcs are a bad 1v1 class, will lose to pretty much anything except a merc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeanPoe Posted March 5, 2012 Share Posted March 5, 2012 (edited) sorcs are the weakest 1v1 class in the game. The lightning/madness hybrid spec specifically is very weak in 1v1's, however it's quite strong at staying alive; you will not kill a competent opponent 1v1 but they won't kill you either if you focus on just kiting. A 31pt madness spec is slightly better at 1v1's simply because you have a 2 sec root on a 9 sec cooldown and significantly stronger dot damage which means you can spend most of your time kiting while your dots continue to deal damage. It will still take you a very long time to kill anyone in a 1v1 situation because overall the single-target damage is low. If you want a 1v1 powerhouse that also has strong group utility then go with a mara, tank spec assassin, or pyro powertech. A concealment operative is also quite strong 1v1 when they have vanish up but are very easy to kite/kill (especially when vanish is down) and have zero group utility and a pretty annoying play-style with no gap-closer. Edited March 5, 2012 by SeanPoe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Assaultrooper Posted March 5, 2012 Author Share Posted March 5, 2012 sorcs are the weakest 1v1 class in the game. The lightning/madness hybrid spec specifically is very weak in 1v1's, however it's quite strong at staying alive; you will not kill a competent opponent 1v1 but they won't kill you either if you focus on just kiting. A 31pt madness spec is slightly better at 1v1's simply because you have a 2 sec root on a 9 sec cooldown and significantly stronger dot damage which means you can spend most of your time kiting while your dots continue to deal damage. It will still take you a very long time to kill anyone in a 1v1 situation because overall the single-target damage is low. If you want a 1v1 powerhouse that also has strong group utility then go with a mara, tank spec assassin, or pyro powertech. A concealment operative is also quite strong 1v1 when they have vanish up but are very easy to kite/kill (especially when vanish is down) and have zero group utility and a pretty annoying play-style with no gap-closer. Thanks!!! You said weakest, but does that mean even weaker than Mercs in 1v1 (vs most of the classes, in lvled ground?) (Currently my choice is between Mercs or Sorcs :s) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeanPoe Posted March 5, 2012 Share Posted March 5, 2012 (edited) Yeah, sorcs aren't the weakest. The weakest is probably a merc or sniper. Between a merc and a sorc, the sorc is significantly better in team-fights and slightly better 1v1 against the majority of classes. To answer your question in the original post, both a sorc or merc of any spec will (or should) lose 100% of the time against an equally skilled mara/sent. If the sorc/merc ever wins a 1v1 against a mara/sent then it was because of insanely lucky crit streaks or because the sorc/merc is significantly better player in general. Edited March 5, 2012 by SeanPoe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orangerascal Posted March 5, 2012 Share Posted March 5, 2012 (edited) sorcs and merc's are probably the worst 1v1 classes. On the other hand they are the top dps classes when played in a group setting. Edited March 5, 2012 by Orangerascal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrandMike Posted March 5, 2012 Share Posted March 5, 2012 (edited) I have been thinking of rolling a sorc, (Kinda missing the feel of my old destro lock ) My main question is how are sorcs in 1v1??? Say a marauder jumps, if your a good sorc vs a good marauder will the win by 50/50 depending on procs, crits, etc? I am asking because I am in a PvE server (Had to go there cus of my guild) but here... Sorcs really suck, I am assuming its mostly due to the players been bad... (say I interrupt their chain lighting they start backpeddaling, then turning frantically until they decide to force speed at which point I use grapple = dead sorc...) Its pretty bad exposition of what the class can do... help ? It will happen to yout too - sorcs are easiest class to shut down, if you interrupt their spam skill they are pretty much neutralized, few low damage skills and thats it. OTOH they are great at nooking terribads, and are useful in hutball (as few other classes are), in that they are lot of fun So depends what you are after, spamming aoes uniterrupted in vodstar has its charm Pretty much your efficiency will be counter-proportional to opponents skill Be prepared to eat dirt a lot against skilled opponents Edited March 5, 2012 by GrandMike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
babelfisk Posted March 5, 2012 Share Posted March 5, 2012 Sorcs are not a bad one vs one class. It’s the player using the sorc that is terrible, people just claim they are bad in one-vs-one, because it’s more apparent that you are terrible when you don’t have a group hand-holding you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orangerascal Posted March 5, 2012 Share Posted March 5, 2012 Sorcs are not a bad one vs one class. It’s the player using the sorc that is terrible, people just claim they are bad in one-vs-one, because it’s more apparent that you are terrible when you don’t have a group hand-holding you. or the game isn't balanced for 1v1 as the developers have said multiple times. My scoundrel is the 1v1 king, while my sage is a 1v1 wimp. And you know what ... I'm okay with that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
babelfisk Posted March 5, 2012 Share Posted March 5, 2012 (edited) or the game isn't balanced for 1v1 as the developers have said multiple times. My scoundrel is the 1v1 king, while my sage is a 1v1 wimp. And you know what ... I'm okay with that. Obviously you are a better scoundrel player, then a sage player. If you got the time, ill be happy to educate you on how to play a sage to the skill-cap, seeing as we are on the same server. *Edit* Just noticed your names, and i know for a fact you are not a "1v1 king", if anything you are below average. Edited March 5, 2012 by babelfisk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orangerascal Posted March 5, 2012 Share Posted March 5, 2012 (edited) Obviously you are a better scoundrel player, then a sage player. If you got the time, ill be happy to educate you on how to play a sage to the skill-cap, seeing as we are on the same server. *Edit* Just noticed your names, and i know for a fact you are not a "1v1 king", if anything you are below average. Interesting as you just dinged 50 yesterday. How would you even know me as we play in different brackets. Nice troll though. Your cunning plan was folied by those meddling kids (aka forum search). I hit level 50 yesterday morning, and I have been dreading the experience that laid in wait for me. Oh boy was I surprised. I was actually able to kill stuff with my level 45+ orange stuff. After a quick warzone to get the last coms for my 6 bags, I got one piece of equipment, and then did some of the daily quests, which in turn granted me even more equipment. I got two champion pieces with the rest a mix of cent with a few orange pieces. I have issues with this game, I’m no fan boy.. I have already cancelled the game. But being a fresh level 50 player in sw-tor is by no means hard. Seeing as you hit level 50 yesterday morning, I doubt you would even know who I was. I don't think your 'education' would do me any good. I don't even think you know enough about end game pvp to even talk about it. Thanks for the offer though Edited March 5, 2012 by Orangerascal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
biowareftw Posted March 5, 2012 Share Posted March 5, 2012 Sorcs are not a bad one vs one class. It’s the player using the sorc that is terrible, people just claim they are bad in one-vs-one, because it’s more apparent that you are terrible when you don’t have a group hand-holding you. ^ Truth. The only person beating you on a hybrid spec is an exceptional player (if you are one yourself). I have no idea what these people are smoking. Two stuns (one is short), an automatic CC when shield breaks and a root that goes through full resolve. If you are dying to melee very fast as a sorc/sage? You are pretty much horrible. You can kite them around for a very long time. Before the op/scoundrel nerf? Yes. They could rock your world and they could do it very, very fast. Most sorc/sages don't even know they can heal themselves during all their CC and never apply their ranged instant cast slow though... So yeah they are hella easy to kill when they are morons if you are a melee, or any class for that matter. The problem? That same moron can be near the top of dmg in a warzone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeanPoe Posted March 5, 2012 Share Posted March 5, 2012 (edited) Sorcs are not a bad one vs one class. It’s the player using the sorc that is terrible, people just claim they are bad in one-vs-one, because it’s more apparent that you are terrible when you don’t have a group hand-holding you. Your ignorance is hilarious. Please roll a sorc and then go duel a darkness assassin, pyro powertech, concealment operative or marauder of equal skill and gear. You will lose every single time if they're truly of equal skill as you (or close to it). The only classes a sorc will beat in a duel are dps mercs, juggernauts, and snipers. You could also check all the footage of the dueling tournaments that have been on various servers the last month. No sorc/sage has got even close to winning. Edited March 5, 2012 by SeanPoe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
biowareftw Posted March 5, 2012 Share Posted March 5, 2012 (edited) Your ignorance is hilarious. Please roll a sorc and then go duel a darkness assassin, pyro powertech, concealment operative or marauder of equal skill and gear. You will lose every single time if they're truly of equal skill as you (or close to it). The only classes a sorc will beat in a duel are dps mercs, juggernauts, and snipers. You could also check all the footage of the dueling tournaments that have been on various servers the last month. No sorc/sage has got even close to winning. I have. The only classes you listed that are close to impossible is operative/marauder with all cooldowns available. Sorry you are bad, specced wrong, or are trinketing the wrong thing. If you aren't lasting at least something like a minute against a marauder/sent? You are horrible. If their cooldowns are down they are very beatable. One is a 3 min cooldown... The other can be CC'd. Then again you prob open up against them one on one with an immediate dot. Why? Cus you are bad. Op/scoundrel? This got flipped on it's head with all the nerfs. Whoever makes the most mistakes will lose. Usually that is someone like yourself... Before the nerfs? You had no chance of beating them. Edited March 5, 2012 by biowareftw Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeanPoe Posted March 5, 2012 Share Posted March 5, 2012 (edited) I have. The only classes you listed that are close to impossible is operative/marauder with all cooldowns available. Sorry you are bad, specced wrong, or are trinketing the wrong thing. If you aren't lasting at least something like a minute against a marauder/sent? You are horrible. If their cooldowns are down they are very beatable. One is a 3 min cooldown... The other can be CC'd. Then again you prob open up against them one on one with an immediate dot. Why? Cus you are bad. Op/scoundrel? This got flipped on it's head with all the nerfs. Whoever makes the most mistakes will lose. Usually that is someone like yourself... Actually, i play the mara and pyro powertech so cute troll/bait. I've never lost a 1v1 against a sage/sorc at level 50. I don't even need to use half of my cooldowns on my mara to win. On my pyro i can drop them to 40% about 4 seconds after the duel begins, if i get lucky railshot resets they will die about 4 seconds later. I don't even need to use my cc-breaker to win on either class and it won't even be close. That's in a duel environment where they have full cooldowns up too. In a warzone if i ever see a sorc use their knockback or sprint and then i swap to them, they're 100% dead with no chance at all of surviving or even doing any damage to me. Edited March 5, 2012 by SeanPoe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
biowareftw Posted March 5, 2012 Share Posted March 5, 2012 (edited) Actually, i play the mara and pyro powertech so cute troll/bait. I've never lost a 1v1 against a sage/sorc at level 50. I don't even need to use half of my cooldowns on my mara to win. On my pyro i can drop them to 40% about 4 seconds after the duel begins, if i get lucky railshot resets they will die about 4 seconds later. I don't even need to use my cc-breaker to win on either class and it won't even be close. That's in a duel environment where they have full cooldowns up too. In a warzone if i ever see a sorc use their knockback or sprint and then i swap to them, they're 100% dead with no chance at all of surviving or even doing any damage to me. Cool. What rp/pve server do you play on? Do all the sage/sorc there stand within 10 yards of your Pyro PT? Pro move right there. What is this? PT's have no ranged interupt? You can heal over and over again? The sage/sorc in your guild and on your server are horrible. Gkick them. Replace them with a German Shepherd. Oh yeah and I know your 45 second cooldown pull can be used as an interrupt...if duels started with both players standing next to eachother (LOL cus that simulates a fight that will ever happen). Your sage/sorcs are trinketing the wrong stun. Edited March 5, 2012 by biowareftw Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stratoforce Posted March 5, 2012 Share Posted March 5, 2012 Sages/sorcerers are slightly above average in 1v1 situations assuming you are good. Against any class. Don't let these people fool you. It is when you starting getting 2+ Hybrid specced sorcerers/sages that it starts to get silly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fungihoujo Posted March 5, 2012 Share Posted March 5, 2012 Sorcs are a terrible 1v1 class- and very easy to shut down by a good sentinel, shadow or vanguard. A mobile specced gunslinger will still give you trouble, and any stealther who picks their fight well will take you out fast. Provided both you and your opponent are good and well specced for pvp- only classes you might beat as a sorc are commando and maybe guardian. This isn't knocking the sorc class mind you- it's a great class for group pvp, which is what WZ are based off of... of course, if the game ever adds small team arena like WoW, your best bet is to go marauder, powertech or assassin if you want to get decent rating. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
babelfisk Posted March 5, 2012 Share Posted March 5, 2012 (edited) Interesting as you just dinged 50 yesterday. How would you even know me as we play in different brackets. Nice troll though. Your cunning plan was folied by those meddling kids (aka forum search). Seeing as you hit level 50 yesterday morning, I doubt you would even know who I was. I don't think your 'education' would do me any good. I don't even think you know enough about end game pvp to even talk about it. Thanks for the offer though Hopefully you will check this thread to read my response:) Yes, i got a fresh level 50 character as of yesterday. The reason i was dreading the experience that laid in wait for me, is because i know how easy it is to kill people in pre-champ* gear. If you still do not get it, i leveled a second character to 50. I'm sure you have heard of the guild "Ventures", most of us stopped playing in early January due to the many problems with this game, but we rocked the server when we were active. We were also responsible for most of the drama that occurred in that time-frame So you see, i do have some experience with you, but more importantly i have loads of experience with your guild..They make "Green fire" look like pros Also id like to thank everyone commenting after me, for validating my points, thank you! Edited March 5, 2012 by babelfisk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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