The game is slowly coming together

[Kenmori]

That was 2004. 8 years ago. EIGHT.

 

Do you even remember what computers were like 8 years ago? How much technology has evolved since then?

 

This is the..i cant swear... but you name it.. technology has improved, and you see taht in the game, open your eyes. Cars still have 4 wheels! yes really they do! and if you find abetter lookin car buy it! Point made?

[Gungan]

At launch things were a little rough, i gotta admit.

 

But considering the things that are coming down the pipe....legacy stuff, rated warzones, combat logs its starting to really shape up.

 

i fully expect the game to be up to par after 1.2 and really hitting its stride by 1.3

 

despite what the doom and gloom sayers say

 

You're counting your chickens before they've hatched. For all you know, that stuff will end up sucking somehow.

[Cepheid]

Call it lack of something, sure some stuff shud have been fixed, but arent they fixing it? They are, maybe nto as fast as we want to, sure but they are. Wish ppl had a bit more patient, and i to got to 50 rather quick and experienced no bugs that really matters that much or even that would make me quit.. Time, folks, time.

 

AS my original post pointed out nothing regarding basic features has been fixed as of yet. When I see that Bioware can do something more than sell the concept to the less skeptical then I'll possibly change my view. No, as of yet they have not and their lack of ability to put out patch notes and bug fixes combined with very poor CS (14 open tickets regarding bugs and gear closed or never addressed at all) does not warrant any faith from me.

 

The saying goes "the proof is in the pudding".

Edited March 4, 2012 by Cepheid

[Esaru]

This is the..i cant swear... but you name it.. technology has improved, and you see taht in the game, open your eyes. Cars still have 4 wheels! yes really they do! and if you find abetter lookin car buy it! Point made?

 

The point that you're a little dense? Undoubtedly, lol

[Gungan]

This is the..i cant swear... but you name it.. technology has improved, and you see taht in the game, open your eyes. Cars still have 4 wheels! yes really they do! and if you find abetter lookin car buy it! Point made?

 

Cars may still have 4 wheels, but most new cars now have fly by wire, as opposed to mechanical linkages. More hybrids on the road too. Anti-collision systems are becoming standard on the higher end models, and hey looks some cars even parallel park themselves.

Edited March 4, 2012 by Gungan

[Esaru]

How dare that person for calling people talking about how a bug should be fixed a crybaby. He lost me right at that if he's trying to make a point and insults anyone reading.

 

Yep, terribly condescending and snobbish article. Even his replies to other people in the reply section make me want to vomit. Garbage. Makes it sound like no one should EVER complain about bugs and issues EVER and if you do you're a terrible person.

Edited March 4, 2012 by Esaru

[Kenmori]

AS my original post pointed out nothing regarding basic features has been fixed as of yet. When I see that Bioware can do something more than sell the concept to the less skeptical then I'll concede they've started to fix them. No, as of yet they have not and their lack of ability to put out patch notes and bug fixes combined with very poor CS (14 open tickets regarding bugs and gear closed or never addressed at all) does not warrant any faith from me.

 

The saying goes "the proof is in the pudding".

 

Nothing has been fixed..read the patch notes, look into your UI a bit closer, dont make me go and look for examples, im to tired. Maybe they just didnt do what you expect them to do yet, give it time, or move on

[Kenmori]

Cars may still have 4 wheels, but most new cars now have fly by wire, as opposed to mechanical linkages. More hybrids on the road too. Anti-collision systems are becoming standard on the higher end models, and hey looks some cars even parallel park themselves.

 

But still 4 wheels! just sayin, maybe the mmo part isnt really finished but the rpg part of the game is pretty good. a car that can parallel park, good for the drivers who cant! Just saying every mmo so far is the same, maybe a dif twist, but its all the same. some worse some better. And nobody bring up a freakin Prius Hybrid! ewww cars

[Gungan]

But still 4 wheels! just sayin, maybe the mmo part isnt really finished but the rpg part of the game is pretty good. a car that can parallel park, good for the drivers who cant! Just saying every mmo so far is the same, maybe a dif twist, but its all the same. some worse some better. And nobody bring up a freakin Prius Hybrid! ewww cars

 

So while we're talking about cars, there are 70 people in fleet on my server (that's the highest all weekend btw), there still isn't a LFG tool (it'll have to be cross server at this point because emp vs rep is far too imbalanced), which we had asked for months and months before launch in beta. Every freakin' beta patch I added feedback to add a proper LFG and social tools.

 

I didn't get to play level 50 content in beta, but the first thing I would have told them to do is make it harder, because right now they're so easy I can not even pay attention to what I'm doing and finish any instance.

 

I also would have told them that levelling alts in this game is boring as hell because 95% of the quests must be repeated in the same order as the first time you did them.

 

PVP? Scrap it. What they have now is completely pointless and broken. They made a faction based game with no freakin' consequences for your faction losing a battle. PVP without purpose is the worst kind of garbage.

 

Crafting, also worthless for all but 3 professions. Giant money sink for everyone else.

Edited March 5, 2012 by Gungan

[Spell_Bound]

Yeah, this is for you, all of the "should've been in at launch" people. Bloody hell, did you even play WoW in its first year? How long did it take Blizzard to figure most of these things out? Some of them were years into it, like guild banks and the like. So for the love of all things holy, stop complaining about something minor not being put into the game at release. They aren't even 3 months in yet, and are already light-years ahead of where WoW was at this time. Yeah, some things would make life a little easier, but ffs give them a chance to get things rolling. It's not like BW has done this before. And besides, they are trying to make this a decent game, despite EA's interference. If EA will give them what they need, instead of smothering them like they did WAR, this game will be brilliant. So for the last time, either stop complaining or move on and leave us that actually look forward to this game succeeding discuss things without a bunch of QQ'ing...

 

QFT man.

 

It took WoW what, 6 months to put in UBRS? Their first like, mini raid? lol.

Not even so much as a world PvP event until the first BG's, which were like 7 or 8 months in?

[tharengore]

QFT man.

 

It took WoW what, 6 months to put in UBRS? Their first like, mini raid? lol.

Not even so much as a world PvP event until the first BG's, which were like 7 or 8 months in?

 

lol yep and pvp was so unbalanced it was comical. Then their was the leveling witch was really just grind in area A till this level move to area B and grind away. No real quests just killing the same mob over and over and over again.

 

These kids complaining now would have their heads explode from the rage quit. If they played WOW when it first came out lol. Spoiled little buggers just dont understand it takes time to for MMO's to add in all the content they want.

[iomed]

So what happens when all this stuff that " is coming" is pushed back another month or even 2?

Don't tell me its getting better when there hasn't been any improvement since launch.

[owenthorn]

again, comparing this game to a 7 year old game at release, defeats your statement, compare the NEW release, to the CURRENT games on the market, that is the only comparison that matters, they had 5 years to see what ALL other mmo's were doing, or were going to do, and they screwed the pooch, now they are trying to add features, that should have been there to start

[Tiam]

QFT man.

 

It took WoW what, 6 months to put in UBRS? Their first like, mini raid? lol.

Not even so much as a world PvP event until the first BG's, which were like 7 or 8 months in?

 

Big difference is that was in 2004, this is 2012 and WoW was the game BW was looking at to model off of to try and be successful, they even said so. So, why on earth would you try and copy a game and not have at release, features people find standard to todays mmo's? Heck even Rift was better than SWTOR in terms of content and having most of the standard features available at launch. I can even dye my armor in Rift, that's something they knew people would want...they'd want to look different than everyone else. Not like in WoW where you go through the Empire fleet and see a bunch of chicken suits the Sorcerors/Assassins are wearing.

[Cepheid]

I played WoW at launch and I'd like to think everyone learned what not to do. Apparently many of you who wear vanilla WoW days on your sleeves like badges of honor don't feel any game designers should have actually learned from that launch. Unfortunately it appears that for many of you that's when the world stopped turning and standards have not changed since. It's like some sad midlife gamers crisis where you're always trying to relive the glory days talking about how bad they were and how anyone that wasn't there couldn't possibly understand.

 

Please this is not 2004. It's evolve or die.

Edited March 5, 2012 by Cepheid

[Tiam]

And you say that on every forum of every MMO. There isnt only PvP.. There also Operations. Course you cleared it! then wait for the next one! Oh wait that comes soon!

 

That was a typo was suppose to be pvp and pve. Operations are a joke as are heroics. Besides I did pve raiding in WoW, that's why I quit, I got sick of the BS raiding for equipment grind over and over and over every night.

[Darkrobes]

That was 2004. 8 years ago. EIGHT.

 

Do you even remember what computers were like 8 years ago? How much technology has evolved since then?

 

What? How do you even relate having better technology to this discussion? The only thing technology really relates to is better graphics. And yeah, TOR has WAY better graphics than WoW. The process for making and running an MMO remains the same, and technology has little to no effect on this process. About the only thing that technology would effect in this process is efficiency and quality of presentation (audio and graphics).

 

So please, if I am wrong in this, tell me how. Anyone

[Cepheid]

What? How do you even relate having better technology to this discussion? The only thing technology really relates to is better graphics. And yeah, TOR has WAY better graphics than WoW. The process for making and running an MMO remains the same, and technology has little to no effect on this process. About the only thing that technology would effect in this process is efficiency and quality of presentation (audio and graphics).

 

So please, if I am wrong in this, tell me how. Anyone

 

It was an analogous comment about how much things have changed for those that think standards should still be revolving around 8 year old expectations.

[Darkrobes]

I agree, there is plenty that they could have taken from previous games. I also agree that they could be a little more diligent about fixing current content. However, i also understand that this is BW's first MMO. This isn't an excuse, but something I think that should be taken into consideration. Yeah, there are a load of things that "could" or "should" be done, whatever they might be. I give them props for jumping in the pool with the big boys and at least trying to make a decent game. Some of the bugs are very frustrating, and I also find the end-game a little lacking. In the same regard, I also am patient enough to at least give them a chance to get things together.

[Cepheid]

I agree, there is plenty that they could have taken from previous games. I also agree that they could be a little more diligent about fixing current content. However, i also understand that this is BW's first MMO. This isn't an excuse, but something I think that should be taken into consideration. Yeah, there are a load of things that "could" or "should" be done, whatever they might be. I give them props for jumping in the pool with the big boys and at least trying to make a decent game. Some of the bugs are very frustrating, and I also find the end-game a little lacking. In the same regard, I also am patient enough to at least give them a chance to get things together.

 

I'm glad you're willing to stick around because I myself, and quite a few others, aren't. I'd like to think that I can come back in a year or so to a game that would fit my standards and in order for that to happen people have to continue to play. Until they add the basics though I'm unsubbing as I can't bare to think of playing this game anymore in it's current state. I'm hoping 1.2 will change this but that's the last chance Bioware has to retain me as a customer (only because my sub won't run out till then).

[owenthorn]

your graphic comparison also doesn't really work, WoW has always looked liked that, it was the look of the world they wanted to have and have had since release, but the player models have amazing graphics, compared to swtor, many people have posted comparisons

 

the technology behind the computer has changed, our expectations have changed, to many new games out with amazing graphics, and we can't get chat bubbles in this game, because it caused performance issues.......really....

Edited March 5, 2012 by owenthorn

[AshenK]

The fact is BioWare should have known better.

 

They had a number of failed MMO's that launched well and then dropped in subs that they could have looked at. They saw systems that players wanted, people wanted Pre-CU SWG, people wanted the music system from LOTRO, people wanted custom outfits that they could dye. They could have gone for a fully open PvP World, not just one planet. They could have gone with the crafting system that everyone loved from SWG they didn't.

 

What we got was a somewhat good story and that's about it. And that doesn't make for a good MMO. We also have a game that barely works for a number of people. PvP that's not fun, raids that are bugged with no fixes in sight.

 

See I used to hope for the best for this game I wanted this to be a fun MMO that anyone could sit down, play and enjoy. That's not happening and it won't happen at all at this point.

[Shouku]

At launch things were a little rough, i gotta admit.

 

But considering the things that are coming down the pipe....legacy stuff, rated warzones, combat logs its starting to really shape up.

 

i fully expect the game to be up to par after 1.2 and really hitting its stride by 1.3

 

despite what the doom and gloom sayers say

 

Many of the things coming up should have already been done and patched. For example, there is no reason not to release bug fixes for ability delays etc. New features and content has nothing to do with fixing of current bugs and should not be tied in to the feature / content patch.

 

Also, some UI / log features etc. likewise have nothing to do with addition of new flashpoints or Ops or warzones. Those should be released as soon as they are ready as well. Less people would unsub.

 

I understand the game will be successfull one way or the other, but with the large investment of BW and EA behind it I cant imagine they want it to be as successfull as DAOC or AOC, they need it to be as successfull as WoW. These delays are counterproductive to that sort of success.

[PepinoCantador]

I still enjoy the game to a degree, though it is still only leveling at this point. Level 50 game doesn't really appeal thus far.

 

I think it comes down to the same situation as with virtually any product. If you want to compete (and in the MMO market, poach customers), you need to have feature parity with your best competitor. TOR should have come out with every core feature WoW had, and then added innovative features on top.

 

Instead, they chose to do the same thing most of WoW's other competitors did; Bring out a game with feature parity to how WoW was when it first came out, then hope your one trick pony difference is enough to grab and hold customers. Having a sorry excuse for an auction house, no dungeon finder type utility, no cross server functionality and so on, is just bad business.

 

I suppose you can blame WoW for making certain features so core to the MMO experience. I'm an old timer Ultima Online / EverQuester, so I used to spend ungodly hours trying to find groups by going from place to place and spamming chat, attempting to peddle wares by sitting wherever most people would gather (EC tunnel, anyone?) and sitting for hours advertising, and all that other fun stuff. Over years of playing WoW, they introduced features that allowed you to accomplish more, in less time, and have conditioned a playerbase of millions to this environment.

 

If they choose to introduce similar features at some point, I'll still play, because I like Bioware's games, I enjoy most of TOR's other features, and a TOR with feature parity to WoW is clearly a better game, in my opinion.

 

I just wish it had gotten there prior to release, instead of somehow developing the game in a vacuum where the exploits and failures of other contenders for the throne are apparently totally unnoticed.